Talk:Jar of Flies/Archive 1

Copyright Infringement?
The entire allmusicguide review has been copied onto the article. I'm removing it immediately. TommyStardust 18:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

this album isn't grunge
it was released in 1994, the year grunge officially died, and it sounds more alternative rock then it does grunge.

maybe add alternative metal because of the heavy guitar playing, but not grunge, its not poppy enough to be called grunge. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.220.148 (talk) 07:49, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Wrong, Kurt Cobain's death (1994) didn't kill grunge, grunge was wounded and didn't die until there was a lack of grunge in 1997, Down On The Upside is known as the last mainstream grunge album and came out in 1996. You're seriously saying Superunknown and Down On The Upside aren't grunge? WHAT? Also if you think grunge is poppy you have no idea what it is... ever listen to anything by Soundgarden, L7, or Mudhoney? Nirvana and Pearl Jam do not define grunge, yet just happen to be the grunge bands that made it big. --Mrmoustache14 (talk) 07:31, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

This album does have violins harmonica acoustic. I wouldn't say that that is typical of grunge. It is pretty polished. One problem I have with this article is guitarworld spamming this article to say that it is in the number 4 album of 1994 by READERS VOTES. No "readers decide" top list should be on wikipedia. Those have no credibility and exist in wikipedia because guitarworld wants users' clicks. Offspring is number 2 on that readers' top 10 list. That's a shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.111.117 (talk) 04:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Violins, harmonica, and acoustic are staples of grunge. It has to do with the feelings expressed and sound and style of music, not the instruments. See every grunge band /=

Release date
The release date given (January 25, 1994) was a Tuesday. Is/was it normal for albums to be released on a Tuesday in the U.S.? I'm pretty sure that the album was released on the (usual UK release day) Monday in the UK, i.e. 24 January. --Jameboy (talk) 16:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Not an EP.
On wikipedia it is written in the EP article:

Billboard classifies EP as 4 to 6 songs. However, according to Recording Industry Association of America, an EP is defined as 3-5 songs, whereas a single is allowed to contain up to 4 songs.

In the United Kingdom, any record with more than four distinct tracks or with a playing time of more than 25 minutes is classified as an album for sales-chart purposes.[4]

An intermediate format between EPs and full-length LPs is the mini-LP, which was a common album format in the 1980s. These generally contained 20–30 minutes of music.[7]

So this release breaks all those definitions, it's not EP, but a full-length album.

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Does anybody else think this should be reclassified as an album instead of an EP?
Even though Jar of Flies just barely surpasses the 30-minute mark, I'm starting to think it should be reclassified as an album after reading this: "An album may contain as many or as few tracks as required. In the United States, The Recording Academy's rules for Grammy Awards state that an album must comprise a minimum total playing time of 15 minutes with at least five distinct tracks or a minimum total playing time of 30 minutes with no minimum track requirement. In the United Kingdom, the criteria for the UK Albums Chart is that a recording counts as an "album" if it either has more than four tracks or lasts more than 25 minutes." Shaneymike (talk) 12:48, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For the record, I broach the subject here and the consensus was to keep it as is. Shaneymike (talk) 17:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

The title
The info about the origin of the albums name and the science experiment its based on is somewhat incorrect.. according to an interview with lead singer Layne Staley this is what the experiment was actual about...

HP=Hit Parader LS=Layne Staley

HP: First off, where did the title Jar Of Flies come from?

LS: It came from a science experiment (AIC guitarist) Jerry Cantrell did when he was in the third grade. They gave him two jars full of flies. One of the jars they overfed, the other jar they underfed. The one they overfed flourished for a while, then all the flies died from overpopulation. The one they underfed had most of the flies survive all year. I guess there's a message in there somewhere. Evidently that experiment had a big impact on Jerry.

ALICE IN CHAINS: A STEP BEYOND LAYNE'S WORLD by ROB ANDREWS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.161.162.5 (talk) 18:46, 28 March 2006.‎ (UTC)

Firing of Mike Starr was NOT due to drugs
I feel like it plays too much into roc n' roll mythology. Of course drugs had NOTHING to do with his firing. It was a combination of not showing up to rehearsals, ticket scalping, getting caught with underage girls numerous times, his lack of ability on bass to play anything other than thrasher type stuff consequently other people having to write bass parts for him and giving him lessons on "Dirt", bothering the rest of the band with his poor songs and demanding them to be included on releases for publishing money. Drugs had nothing to do with it, at best it was incidental.

Source: I knew the guys in and around Alice in Chains at the time. It's also be recorded in books on the band. "Drugs" was the fake reason Mike gave, before it was "I need to spend more time with my family". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.80.116.254 (talk) 20:34, 26 July 2021 (UTC)