Talk:Jared Israel

Ciabata (talk) 17:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)== NPOV dispute ==

Its pretty much an one-sided article about the great "deeds" of Jared Israel, probably written by himself or his close followers, concealing facts about his writings that deny Srebrenica genocide and promote anti-muslim propaganda and anti-Nato/USA propaganda, not to mention that his writings are also consider conspiracy (regarding those about 9/11 attacks). Also, all sources about him are from his main site (the emperor clothes something), which are his views and opinions basically, and they do not reflect reality in any way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.176.237.190 (talk) 11:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Apparently 31.176.237.190 was so interested in attacking Jared Israel, he or she did not read the article. He or she claims that all the sources are from Israel's own website, but that is nonsense. Of the 11 footnotes eight are from leading media. The breakdown: one is a link to Israel's website; two are links to pieces he wrote on that website, explaining views cited in the article; the other eight are from the New York Times, BBC, Chicago Tribune, Harvard Crimson and Boston Globe plus one from IsraelNationalNews. I found another, from a midwestern newspaper, stating that Israel was the leader of the anti-Weatherman faction in Students for a Democratic Society at the famous 1969 SDS Convention in Chicago -- historically important stuff -- but I have not added that yet. As for the text, it is neutral, reporting facts about Jared Israel, which is in line with Wikipedia policy. It is clear from the article that he opposes the official story on 911. Calling his views on 911 "conspiracy theory" would hardly be neutral. The article should be expanded, but not with the bias of 31.176.237.190, which is made obvious by the fact that he or she made the manifestly false claim that all the sources were from the Emperor's Clothes website. Israel's views on Srebrenica and NATO should be added. The best way to do so is to state or quote them, linking to articles where he puts them forward, so people can judge for themselves. Israel's views on Islam also should be added. (BTW, he is not Islamophobic, distinguishing between Islam as a religion and what he claims is the Islamic form of fascism.) Ciabata (talk) 14:48, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
 * I do apologize, I could have sworn that all of the sources were from emperor clothes or a site that links to the emperor clothes. It was a mistake made by my behalf. Regardless, my claims still stand and this article should be expanded in appropriate way.--31.176.238.252 (talk) 15:12, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't apologize! Your assertions are likely correct. Just because other references were included doesn't make the article balanced especially if those references also have a similar bias.Thx1138az (talk) 22:51, 5 November 2013 (UTC)


 * The article makes several rather bland factual assertions about Jared Israel, e.g., that he "served as one of the co-chairmen of the International Committee to Defend Slobodan Milošević." In what way are such statements of fact biased?  Isn't it routine in biographical sketches to mention what people have done?  As for the claim that the article's references "have a similar bias," the references in question are to well-known media. Are you seriously trying to argue that the New York Times, the BBC, the Harvard Crimson, the L.A. Times and the Boston Globe are biased in favor of Jared Israel, and that this supposed bias is demonstrated by their interviewing or quoting him regarding his views and actions mentioned in the Wikipedia article? Ciabata (talk) 17:15, 19 January 2014 (UTC)