Talk:Jarret Myer

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Along with James Murdoch, Jarret Myer is credited as the founder of Rawkus Records. Myer's Uproxx Media owns and operates Kissing Suzy Kolber along with other notable and successful web properties.

Introduction and disclosing COI
Hello. I'm working on behalf of Jarret Myer and Uproxx, the company Myer founded, to help improve this article. I see that there have been other contributors that did not disclose their connection in the past. I will be handling things differently than they did. I will not edit the article myself because of my conflict of interest. Instead, I will make suggestions here on the Talk page and work with other editors to reach consensus about changes. While I am active on the page, I have been assured by Uproxx that there will be no other edits or messages from anyone else connected with Myer.

There are several issues with the entry and I'd like to address all the tags, including sourcing and neutrality. In addition, I'd like to point out where information could be updated (for instance, Myer is no longer the CEO of Uproxx, but the General Manager of Publishing at Woven Digital). To do this, I will be reviewing all available coverage about Myer (from independent and reliable sources) and preparing any updates for editors to review.

I am also working on the Uproxx article and will be following a similar plan there. You can view my note on that article's Talk page, here. That's it for now, but I'll be watching this page in case there are any responses or new discussions. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 16:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Suggestions for article
Hi there. I'm back with my thoughts for improving this article. I mainly want to make sure everything about Myer's career is accurate and up-to-date, supported by citations, and neutrally written. To make it easier, I've uploaded a draft with all my proposed changes here:


 * User:Heatherer/Jarret Myer

Here's a summary of everything I changed:
 * Introduction
 * Modified the first paragraph to avoid jargon and to include Myer's current role as GM
 * Removed vague and overly promotional second paragraph
 * Removed irrelevant sources
 * Rawkus Records
 * Clarified and rewrote the information to be more encyclopedic
 * Moved the citations so that the sources matched the information they supported and included a few more details from those articles
 * Moved "35 Under 35" ranking to this section
 * Uproxx
 * Added sourcing and updated wording (blogs are no longer what the site is best known for)
 * Big Frame
 * New section to discuss Myer's other company, which was previously only mentioned in the introduction
 * Updated external links

I'm interested to hear what others think about these changes. As noted before, I will not be making any edits myself and instead ask others to make changes as they see fit. Since my last note didn't get any replies, I plan on reaching out to a few WikiProjects in the next few days if there's no response. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 16:48, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Lacking notabliity
Hi Heatherer, thanks for suggesting these edits and for faithfully disclosing your potential conflict of interest. The suggested edits you make would be fine if the subject was more notable. According to the Wikipedia guidelines, the subject of the article should have "gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time". I searched Google for Jarret Myer and produced a bunch of hits for social media sites, profiles, a few other relatively light weight sources, and a few press releases.

It appears Jarrett may be notable within a specific segment of his profession, but not much beyond that. He has 2,246 Twitter followers, a decent amount, but nothing exceptional. I confess I'm not a big follower of the music and entertainment industry, but there must be hundreds of such companies. I have no idea of UpRoxx is a major or a minor name in the business. But unless other editors disagree, I suggest that the article be removed for now until Jarret does something more notable in the entertainment/music biz, or until someone can provide better quality reputable sources illustrating his contributions to a wider base of fans and industry professionals. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 08:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing, . I honestly hadn't even considered notability to be a factor here, since the article has existed for so many years. I definitely understand your point of view, particularly your point about Myer being known mostly within his industry and profession. Both Uproxx and Rawkus Records are both notable companies with plenty of press, and there is coverage of Myer discussing his work with those businesses. I do think this Vibe profile (starts on page 64) and this feature in The Village Voice qualify as reputable sources and are significant enough to justify the existence of an article. I would like to hear from other editors as well. Since there haven't been any others responses, perhaps I can post to RfC? Let me know what you think. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 14:19, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Is this subject notable enough for an article?
Is the available sourcing sufficient to justify Jarret Myer having his own Wikipedia article?

Comment: I want editors to be aware that I have a financial conflict of interest, which I disclosed here. I suggested an updated draft for the article in October and asked others to review, since I will not make edits myself due to my COI. Another editor thought the draft was fine, but that the article should be deleted due to lack of notability. Heatherer (talk) 14:10, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * lt looks like everyone who has commented agrees that Myer meets the notability guideline. Thanks for weighing in,, , and ! What are the next steps here? Pinging too, in the case that he is still available to help. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 15:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment - The article, as it currently stands, needs stronger references. I read the discussion above and don't see notability as an issue, see here. Meatsgains (talk) 17:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes - but article needs to be depuffed. —Мандичка YO 😜 00:21, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Thanks for the input, and ! Did either of you happen to look at the draft I proposed? I'd be interested to hear if you think it's sufficient or needs more work. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 20:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Your draft looks a lot better than the original. I can see you referenced articles in Variety and Bloomberg, which helps strengthen the page's verifiability. Meatsgains (talk) 02:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Support. The bot sent me. Seems notable enough, and per Meatsgains the sources have improved. SW3 5DL (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm leaning "no" on this one, but we can surely give some more time to improve the sourcing. Most all of the sources we have now are not about Myer per say, so much as Rawkus Records or some other venture--excepting one, each of the sources (which are mostly little stub pieces) mentions Myer in passing once, maybe twice--and even then, only to quote him in discussing another topic altogether.  This isn't exactly the in-depth coverage we need to establish notability.  But the Village piece, though possibly a bit of puffery, hints at industry notability that we might be able to establish if we keep digging for sources.   S n o w  let's rap 21:47, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm inclined to agree with here, although I'd say there are more significant print sources available. Such individuals usually do not get the same coverage other actors in the field do, so in that regard I do understand the difficulties involved; I commend you for the brevity of the draft, given that material is indeed properly sourced. This could go either way... FoCuS  contribs ;  talk to me!  00:28, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Thanks to everyone for their input. It seems as though the RfC template was removed before this matter was resolved, so I'd like to invite editors to review my updated draft. Taking everyone's thoughts into consideration, I've added more detail and a few more major sources such as The New Yorker, The Independent, and Time Out. In particular, the Independent and Time Out pieces substantially focus on Jarret and the impact his company, Rawkus Records, made, supporting his notability. Although they’re not publicly accessible, I can provide copies of either. Since it looks like editors are somewhat divided, I'm hoping this will ease concerns. Thanks, Heatherer (talk) 23:26, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good. SW3 5DL (talk) 15:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Would you be comfortable moving the draft to the live article? Heatherer (talk) 21:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)