Talk:Jasmine Garner

Linking season in infobox
To me, it looks as though is only doing this at Collingwood player articles – if this is something that's used project-wide, then I wouldn't have a problem with this. It's not a massive deal anyway, but it can't just be done at certain articles; there needs to be consistency.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 22:42, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm tending to agree with 4TheWynne that the linking of the season is unnecessary and edges towards WP:OVERLINK as all seasons are linked in the statistics table section where the link is more appropriate. I'm echoing 4TheWynne that if this format was used consistently across all player articles (and there are over 10,000 player articles which would need updating) then there would be no problem. The linking does not have any consensus, and many, many people update statistics without the linking of the season. I'll wait for SuperJew to respond, but IMO the seasons should be delinked as there is only one editor who is persisting with this format vs many who do not, and there needs to be consistency across the project. Flickerd (talk) 05:15, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, there is no linking of the season in the template doc at Template:Infobox AFL biography, therefore, that further shows that persisting to link the season in statsend on certain pages is further against consensus. Flickerd (talk) 05:46, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * With that, I'll remove the link – I don't see why we have to wait.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 05:55, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * When it says a year, the common expectation unless otherwise mentioned is that it refers to a calendar year. Yet in the infobox this refers to the season year. Therefore the phrase "Playing statistics correct to the end of 2017" would mean to the default end of December 2017, when actually for AFL player it means 30 September 2017, and for AFLW it means 25 March 2017. Linking to the season page, removes this ambiguity as it makes it clear it means for the season. I see a few ways to solve this ambiguity: (a) linking to the season page, (b) adding the word "season" (so it'll say "Playing statistics correct to the end of the 2017 season"), or (c) having the actual update date, as is done on soccer player infoboxes. As it is without linking is problematic though. And BTW, consistency is important across a project, but is not an acceptable reason for why to revert things if there is no discussion and consensus on the actual issue. --SuperJew (talk) 07:15, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * This is really something that should be discussed at the project talk page, not here (I don't see why ambiguity in this case is that big of a deal, anyway) – until a consensus is reached, it should be removed from all relevant pages.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 08:13, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I too don't see an ambiguity, but in saying that, it doesn't mean no one else will because we should be editing for the sake of the readers. I think it is reasonable to have the b suggestion but for the end of season only and that provides more clarification, i.e during season is just statistics correct to the end of round 1, 2018, whereas end of season is statistics correct to the end of the 2018 season. So for now, the 2018 season in the AFLW pages should be delinked as there is zero ambiguty if the round is stated, but at the end of the season it can be statistics correct to end of 2018 season. If other editors object to that addition, then it should be taken to the project because that's when the change will be implemented from the long term consensus. Also, just as a side note, if something is edited the same way for a very long period of time (i.e. this is something that has been edited the same way for 10 years or so), then that is a consensus and if no specific discussion has occurred then that doesn't mean no consensus has been reached. Flickerd (talk) 08:24, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * To add, I also see (b) as being the only logical solution (and also only at the end of a season), but linking isn't going to solve the problem, and it should be removed for now (as I mentioned) and discussed at the project talk page in the meantime.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 08:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I agree about the discussion place (wasn't actually entirely sure why you opened it here) and have moved accordingly to WT:AFL --SuperJew (talk) 10:11, 12 February 2018 (UTC)


 * , I opened the discussion here because you asked me to discuss, and at the time it was just about the one player – now that it isn't and the discussion has been moved accordingly, I don't see what the problem is.  4TheWynne (talk) (contribs) 10:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)