Talk:Jasmyn Banks

Why is Daily Mirror squib a review?
The more I read it, the more I am convinced that Jane Simon's Daily Mirror paragraphs on that EastEnders episode, notably the "short and painfully awkward" quote, are simply plot summary, not actual review. As plot summary, it wouldn't belong in the article as commentary on the quality of the storyline, which is why I removed it (as noted in my edit summary). Can you explain why you think it is appropriate as a review? If not, it simply doesn't belong. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:56, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I cannot reply below, as I did not make the article, so you are going t have to ask the creator the reasoning behind this. Although the Daily Mirror quote is percifically featuring on one episode, she is frther explaining that every episode and interaction they have is like this. — M.Mario  (T/C) 19:37, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Although you say "she is further explaining that every episode and interaction they have is like this", that's your interpretation. What it actually says is "another meeting between Derek and his daughter Alice is short and painfully awkward". Has every single meeting been short? Painfully awkward? An equally valid one is that they have had at least one prior meeting, and the one in the current episode was both short and painfully awkward. As it is, the quote includes one word that is not in the article, nor does she clearly imply "most". It may be your impression or feeling that the Alice and Derek scenes are mostly awkward, but it just isn't stated in Simon's article. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:19, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * So in the article we could put, The Daily Mirror Jane Simon found that the meetings between Alcie and Derek were "short" and "painfully akward".? — M.Mario  (T/C) 20:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I didn't feel we could extrapolate beyond the meeting specifically mentioned; I've made an edit that I think works and serves the article as a whole. Given the different character of the two quoted articles, I left them in different sentences rather than attempt an unwarranted connection. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with BlueMoonSet. I dont think that reviews of character interaction belong in a bio article. Unless of course the acting is discussed....and only then if it's discussed significantly in the media. Not a chaste comment by a TV critic. I feel these sort of comments from critics are better suited to character article reception sections.  GunGagdin Moan 10:57, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I also agree, and I find it odd that so much information relating to characters is being put in biographical articles about their actors. Do we need to know here that Alice's brother was cast and that someone called the storyline boring, and even that she was pleased to get the role? These have always been things put in character articles, rather than actor ones. Maybe I'm wrong and they do belong here. – anemone projectors – 12:19, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've pulled the sentence about Joey, since it isn't relevant to Jasmyn, only to an Alice article with storyline. I'll admit to being dubious about all that reaction from Jasmyn; it seems like publicity boilerplate, and not really appropriate for a bio, which should have well-sourced information about family, education, birthplace, age, acting experience, roles, and so on. Unfortunately, Jasmyn's new and there isn't much information about her: her sole claim to fame at this point is her EastEnders role. That leave precious little for an article. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ive gone ahead and removed and/or condensed the rest of the material. I really dont think one critics opinion of her acting is worth including here and could be seen as giving it undue weight in a biography. I also dont think that all those quotes about how excited she is to be in eastenders are worthy for inclusion here in such detail, so I have condensed to just the most salient points.  GunGagdin Moan 23:40, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Birth year and residence
I'm curious about the "Find My Past" source being used to establish Jasmyn's birth year. I get that it shows two people named Jasmyn Banks being born in the same London suburb (Hendon), but how does this establish that one of them is this Jasmyn? Do we know for sure that in this case Jasmyn Banks isn't a stage name? Also, just because someone is born somewhere doesn't mean that they're brought up there, yet the article states that she was "brought up in London" even though all that the Find My Past source gives is birth year and place. I'm worried that there are unwarranted assumptions being incorporated into the article that reliable sources do not affirm. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:05, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * It's been a week with no response; I have removed the Find My Past-based information from the article as being WP:OR: too many assumptions are necessary to include this as if it were reliable. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:56, 8 July 2012 (UTC)