Talk:Jason Mewes/Archive 1

Change the picture
The picture currently being used is a dirgrace and repbulsvr,not to mentino probably a good few years old as he doesnt look like that anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.70.171 (talk) 23:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment
- Dead end reference to "Harley" Who the heck is that? Fix please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.197.71.189 (talk) 18:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Dare I say that this article is heading towards possible feature status? --Bobak 18:27, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say so. A good amount of it is a barely rewritten, less entertaining version of Kevin Smith's blog entry at http://silentbobspeaks.com/?m=20060328.
 * Ah-hah, thought it sounded a little to elaborate for what I'd expect on a Jason Mewes Wikipedia article. Alas, to dream... --Bobak 03:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

not to be rude or anything but do we really need to hear about every time he relapsed ? Curefreak 07:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

-Why not? It makes the fact that he's been clean for what, 3 years now more amazing. If you're born an addict and can eventually pull yourself out of that s**t, more power to ya! Mind you, I am a little biased, because if he offered it up, I would totally hit that! :P 222.154.13.163 09:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Added Clean-up Tag
Basically, this article just needs a rewrite. Instead of including every little detail from Kevin Smith's "Me And My Shadow" entry from his blog, it should only include the major effects of his drug use. The article should primarily focus on his acting career and less on the ins and outs of his personal life. Kevin's blog entries are a great read, but it reads as a story - not an encyclopedia entry. The blog entries are Kevin's personal retelling of events, this article needs to be purely facts. Pele Merengue 22:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Drug Use
Mewes had memorized all his dialogue and pulled it off without a hitch, while Smith struggled with the large monologue he had written for himself. Unknown to many was that this was the point where Jason's use of cocaine and heroin was beginning.


 * How does memorizing your lines have anything to do with heroin or cocaine.
 * The poster is probably insinuating that heroin/coke was beneficial to Mewes's memory. Tacit approval for the drugs.
 * Uh, bullshit. It sounds like they didn't catch on because he performed okay. Asjkh438ihuqfw8
 * It occurred to me you may have been joking. In that context, it is kind of funny. If that's the case I withdraw my "bullshit" comment. Asjkh438ihuqfw8

As a matter of fact, Kevin Smith said (or rather, wrote) this himself. The next time we worked together was on “Chasing Amy”. Mewes, at this point, was living with his Mother in Keansburg. We’d still hang out when I was in town, and sometimes, he’d come out to L.A. But for the two year period I was involved with Joey, our one-on-one time was pretty limited. “Amy” didn’t change that, as the Jay and Silent Bob scene in the flick was shot over the course of one night at the Marina Diner in Belford. Mewes was on his game that evening, having memorized all of his dialogue, pulling it off without a hitch. As the night wore on, I’d get sluggish, but Mewes would never tire. Coke’ll do that to you. Source --Ifrit 05:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding to the the above the way this is written is totally unfair to Jason Mews he must have been suffering a great deal emotionally and the page should look more at his career then anything else. The drug issue is a private one and should be treated as much until Jason Mews is ready or even wants to talk about it.. It should however have a slight mention because he is someone that other people with the same challenges can look up too who also in the battle of staying clean. It's an emotional and self esteem battle not just a physical withdrawal one.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tobster (talk • contribs) 21:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

OxyContin
His use is speculated at "400 mgs/day." Not only is this many times a lethal dose even for the most opiate-tolerant, but the street cost would be around $3.5 million a year. OC is dispensed in microgram (mcg) amounts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.219.13.72 (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, I can tell you that 400mg is nowhere near lethal for tolerant users. Especially if one is using preparations of oxycodone that do not contain tylenol, that's pretty easy to pull off. Oxycontin, furthermore, is dispensed in milligram amounts, starting at 10mg, 20mg, 40mg, 80mg, and going up pretty substantially. Very few drugs are actually active at the microgram level; one such drug would be LSD. Anyways, there's no need to demonize his use. Drugs don't kill people, people kill people. Or something. 206.230.62.2 17:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Fix this entry
While the info on Jason's drug use is interesting, I'd like to see sections on how Jason met Kevin Smith, got into acting, and developed his Jay character.

Yeah I feel exactly the same. If anyne has this info it would be interesting to know.

I used to live in Atlantic Highlands, which is the next town from Jason's hometown. So I have known him since I was in 6th or 7th grade. Unfortunately, I left NJ when I was 15 and that was before Jay and Kevin started hanging out. When we went to Henry Hudson High School I was in 7th, Jay was in 8th, and Kevin was a senior. Jason was known in Highland's as a "wild kid". Not due to drugs or anything, he was quite the opposite when it came to smoking and drinking. I started smoking at 12 and he hated it. He was just literally "wild", like way too much energy! (I know someone's got to have a pic somwhere of his hair back then, he was the only kid with a "tail", but he was soo cute! So he must've been about 15 or 16 when him and Kevin got close because I was already in Florida by then. I really just found this site by accident, I'm kinda hoping Jay might read this and know I'm thinking about how good he's doing by staying clean. JAY IF YOU DO READ THIS BY CHANCE, IT'S CHRISSY IN FLORIDA AND I WAS JUST CHECKING ON HOW YOU ARE DOING!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChrissycFL (talk • contribs) 05:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

A 5th Step is not an Article.
This really not a article as much as 5th step. Although laudable for its honesty and eventual sobriety, it should be edited to become an article. 66.231.249.14 00:02, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This is a bit wordy.
Is this a article or his life story?


 * *nod* I think that half of this article could easily be deleted without effecting its encyclopedic value.
 * -- That Guy, From That Show! 04:03, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Virtual plagiarism
This article is virtually plagiarism of Smith's account of Mewes's drug use, and that more or less completely overshadows his professional accomplishments. I think it may be worth totally gutting this and rewriting it from scratch. 24.136.38.121 03:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Good point. Mewes is famous for his acting talent, not his drug use. Rearden Metal 14:50, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. This needs some major work plus it needs to have additional sources added. I'm adding a tag to this effect, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't add the dreaded copyvio tag as well. 23skidoo 23:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

If it is plagiarism may be. However, I do think that some passages are moving and merit inclusion. So I would be against, "gutting this and rewriting it from scratch." Firmitas 01:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Not only are these accounts all taken from once source, they are all cited incorrectly. The "Me and My Shadow" account of Mewes' drug addiction is a nine-part article, yet every citation is to the first page. I will try to fix it, but this will be a huge pain in the ass, and will take some time. Sixtus LXVI 22:28, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, maybe not. There is one big "multiple references" footnote.  I think it would be better served by a single footnote for each citation.  Any comments?  Sixtus LXVI 23:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed it that the link for each footnote corresponds with the appropriate page of "Me and My Shadow." Sixtus LXVI 01:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

you are all retarted
i must say that the command of language within this article is poor, at best. a simple copy paste into microsoft word, or a grammar check would easily fix much of it, but not all....for example "One night, Mewes managed to take Smith's ATM card, after telling him he was going to use it to withdraw money and his taxi fare, and withdrew $1,100 from it by early morning."
 * Be bold good sir! Instead of calling everyone "retarted" (poor command of language indeed) and complaining about how the article is written, you may want to consider actually editing for yourself and removing any poor writing you find.  That way everyone wins.  &quot;Country&quot; Bushrod Washington 01:38, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

well yes i did, and always do, misspell that particular word when using it in a derogative sense, as it would be degrading to the mentally handicapped to compare them to the "authors" (plagiarists) of this page.
 * One must always be wary of insulting the mentally handicapped. Seriously though, instead of using the talk pages to display your sharp wit, why not fix what mistakes you can find?  And, for future reference, sign you insults (comments) by adding ~ at the end.  &quot;Country&quot; Bushrod Washington 19:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Straight Edge
Kevin Smith mentioned on An Evening with Kevin Smith that Jason used to be Straight Edge when they were younger. Anyone thinks it's worth mentioning in the article? Maybe in a trivia section or something like this.  #   Ido50  ( talk  to me), at 12:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

holy fuck, he used to be straight edge? LollyLo 04:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

-Yeah, apparantly he was anti- everything because of what his mother was going through... Obviously it didn't last long... 222.154.13.163 09:14, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Re-added cleanup tag.
For some reason, the cleanup tag that had been put up was removed. This article clearly does still need a cleanup, so it has been duly tagged.

Indja 14:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Section
Is the mention of Mewes being friends with Billy Joe Armstrong really necessary? It doesn't even have a citation, but that doesn't really matter since if you're going to mention their friendship, you might as well mention every other friendship Mewes has with someone notable, or anyone in general. I'm going to remove it. If anyone has complaints about that, then put it back if you wish and put a good reason here. Ladysway1985 08:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Red State
The article includes an upcoming movie entitled Red State. The article on Red State says that Kevin Smith does not want to use any of the actors from the View Askewniverse. Can anyone clarify this irony? CALM savior 08:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

quality
B class?? scrapping the barrel... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.157.51.152 (talk) 21:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

length
far to long for an actor who only appears in his best friend films —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.101.233 (talk) 11:55, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Me-yow!!! :P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.13.163 (talk) 09:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Undue weight
Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy requires that we not give undue weight to aspects of a person's life. In particular, WP:BLP requires that we take great care with negative information. Although Mewes has had problems with drug abuse by all accounts, these are not twice as important as his acting career, yet they receive that much attention in this article. This needs to be fixed, pronto. --Dhartung | Talk 21:43, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Cracked.com has included this article in its list of the most overly detailed articles on Wikipedia, saying "If you’d never heard of Mewes, and you stumbled upon this entry, you’d assume that he was a celebrity drug addict who happened to do a film every once in a while." Despite being a humor piece, this is unfortunately accurate. --Dhartung | Talk 21:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Part of the problem is the insipid tone of the article. I've cleaned out some of the more hysterical sentences, but of course there are quite a few more. Read the article yourself picturing an eight-year-old with saucer-wide eyes and you get the idea. 206.230.62.2 17:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Needlessly detailed entry
Jason Mewes is listed as number three on Cracked.com's The 8 Most Needlessly Detailed Wikipedia Entries. Please try to address the concerns listed in Cracked.com's article. -- Jreferee    t / c  14:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No.Genisock2 05:12, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Let me see if I got this straight. A pointless article on Cracked.com has you worried about the articles listed? Seriously? Are you people editing an encyclopedia or aren't you? Use some common sense. Say the article needlessly focuses on the drug use, but for the love of all that is holy don't back your position up with an article from Cracked.com. Good lord. 68.246.79.0 00:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The article length has been drastically pared down, after the anon editor 66.194.72.10 cut out the whole drug abuse section. I support this action - it has vastly improved the article, as the old one was sensationalist, mostly unverified, and frankly one giant WP:BLP violation. Nonetheless, now, I do wonder - is it necessary to remove every mention of Mewes' drug use completely? While Wikipedia is not a tabloid, it might still be worth mentioning in a one-sentence aside or so - providing reliable sources can be provided of course. Any thoughts? Terraxos 02:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I have some thoughts on it. Mewes' drug use was a big factor in his being left out of Jersey Girl and had an effect on his career and friendships. It's been a widely publicized issue, which was written about at length by Smith. The reason the anonymous editor took it out was stated as "kevin smith sources no longer valid, old, possibly inaccurate information deleted." That's as unsourced a reason to delete as I can find. Has Mewes come out and denounced it? Did I miss that? The drug use of a great many people is included in the bios here, why are we turning our heads on this one?

It needs to be in here to some degree, sourced. The real problem is that it was the only sourced information in the article and now that's gone. Also, since the paring down has removed almost all discussion of his film roles and partnership with Smith outside of films, it's a very hollow product. I checked out the Cracked.com article and it read to me like the guy doesn't care for Mewes in the first place, so anything here he'd hate. I will put this article on my "work" list and try to come up with something more balanced, encyclopedic and accurate. Wildhartlivie 06:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)


 * By "written about at length by Smith" I assume you refer to the Me And My Shadow 9 part story posted on silentbobspeaks.com? Those posts are now taken off the website itself but can still be accessed on web.archive.org. Maybe it was included in the My Boring Ass Life book, and that was why it was taken down? If someone had the book we could redo that part of the article from scratch in consise wording and cite the book... --Ifrit 05:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I was referring to his story, and I did note that it was taken down. I assumed the same, that it's in the new book. However, if it's available at web.archive.org, we can use that as the reference. Wildhartlivie 16:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Drug Usage
Doesnt this need at least SOMETHING about his drug use? 24.141.47.50 (talk) 02:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

He said he quit weed and beer as of april 4, didn't catch the year, so why mention it?Toxic Ninja (talk) 18:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Green Arrow/Flash
These references are pointless and unfounded. Both should be removed. Could someone site either? 194.72.54.162 (talk) 09:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Red state
He did an interview at my college today, someone asked him if he was doing red state and he said no, kevin smith wanted to use new people. So hes not going to be in that, removing. Yeah I know I don't have a real source on me, but by jobe it happened!Toxic Ninja (talk) 18:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Take a look through WP:V: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth". And find a real source.  DP 76764  (Talk) 19:08, 9 February 2009 (UTC)