Talk:Jats

Add Canada as a region with a significant population
There are around 1 million people with Jat ancestry in Canada. 2605:8D80:405:6CC0:CEA:E8E1:502A:5F0D (talk) 03:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2024
Add Sodhi as a Jat name Singhpbx1 (talk) 18:34, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 12:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think, he's saying that Add Sodhi in Clan List of Jats. But without reliable sources, it wouldn't be processed.
 * Thanks & Regards Super Dud (talk) 05:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 June 2024
Missing “thind” in the clan section. As said here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thind 2001:569:7779:5000:6DC7:993F:2141:F3BC (talk) 23:23, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ – DreamRimmer (talk) 11:05, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thx 2001:569:7779:5000:CC03:3911:7466:C79C (talk) 04:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I don’t see it, idk why 2001:569:7779:5000:CC03:3911:7466:C79C (talk) 04:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The source, you've provided isn't reliable at all, provide us a verifiable source so that we can proceed with your statement. Super Dud (talk) 05:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2024
"Jats are descendants of Ham" as referenced in https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:HMElliotHistVol1.djvu/138#cite_note-1 Sachidananda Hullahalli (talk) 11:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. You'll need a more reliable source than what you've cited, particularly as Ham is generally not considered a historical figure. – macaddct1984 (talk &#124; contribs) 14:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent edit
, you added a large amount of undiscussed content which has many WP:UNDUE, poorly-sourced, and misrepresented details. Your bold edit has been reverted twice already. So please propose your changes here if you must and develop WP:Consensus. Here is the summary of problems with your edit:

Let's start with your addition/source about the Jaths of Kutch. They don't belong to this article, as the source cited by you itself says that Jaths of Kutch, i.e. Daneta, Fakirani and Garasia, are distinct from the subject of this article, although they might have originated from a single group. It even uses separate spellings to distinguish them, namely "Jats" for the subjects of this article and "Jatts" for the Jaths of Kutch. Indeed, I have read multiple sources in the past that distinguish Kutch Jaths or their divisions from the subject of this article, although I could recall only two such sources at the moment. The source's author, who is not a historian, states about "Jatt pastoralists" that "some historians suggest that they were originally a single group" which eventually "crystallised into distinct ethnic groups". Note that, to support her origin-related claim about Jaths, which doesn't belong here anyway, she cites/quotes Irfan Habib's 1971 conference paper, where he doesn't even mention Kutch anywhere. So this is a historical fringe claim about Kutch Jaths by a non-historian which isn't supported by historians. In any case, such a historical fringe claim will require coverage in both tertiary scholarship (to meet WP:DUE and WP:TERTIARY) and secondary scholarship by historians (to meet WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:HISTAR) for it to be mentioned anywhere, let alone this article.

Second, the source cited by you to show that majority of Jats are Muslim explicitly mentions the religion-wise break-up of Jats as follows: 47% Hindus, 33% Muslims, and 20% Sikhs. The author does mention two 1980s "crude estimates" of the total Jat population without saying which one of them is accurate or what they tell about the religion-wise break-up. But he is very clear about their distribution among the religions. So you cannot WP:SYNTHESIS that source to refute its explicit claim!

Third, newspapers and conference papers are neither WP:DUE (see WP:TERTIARY) nor reliable (see WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:HISTAR) for caste/history-related claims. So the content based on those sources is unacceptable here unless you can replace them with mainstream secondary and tertiary scholarship.

Fourth, the details from Richard Eaton can be summarised here with attribution, although I have yet to check their coverage in tertiary scholarship about Jats. Note that Eaton's sources like this one seem like the updated versions of the source cited by you. So I will check what his latest sources mention about Jats and how his findings are summarised in the tertiary scholarship. That will help us to summarise his views here. Similarly, the details about the impact of Jats in Pakistani politics seem fine, although they need to be a bit neutral worded. I will add those or similar details after checking relevant summaries in some mainstream scholarly sources, especially the introductory ones. But you will need to wait for some days. If you want to do that quickly, please provide such tertiary scholarship by yourself.

Finally, there are thousands of pages written in both non-scholarly sources and peer-reviewed scholarly sources about the subject of this article. But only WP:DUE content is added here. Otherwise, there would have been hundreds of versions of this article.

PS: Although I am mostly sure that the editor won't edit war any more, I am pinging admin just in case. - NitinMlk (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

NitinMlk (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)