Talk:Jawed Karim/Archives/2015

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If he is a co-founder of you tube, then i do believe he deserves his space here. I would love to meet a guy like this, he must be crazy!--Dulcich (talk) 04:09, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Appears to be cofounder of a Top 10 website in the United States (YouTube), and is mentioned on Notable Alumni pages of two universities. Therefore probably noteworthy? Trendsettler 07:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Must have verifiable articles for article
On Wikipedia, you have to use Wikipedia standards for articles you write. Check out WP:NN and WP:V for example. You can find at least two third party sources for your articles - reputable newspaper, magazine articles, etc. to reference the material. Alumni magazines and personal web sites do not count, nor do other references in Wikipedia. You can link to other Wikipedia sites (that is encouraged) but that does not count as a verifiable source.

Also Jawed Karim's personal web site seems amateur and does not add much to article. It does not make him notable. Mattisse(talk) 09:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I left an example of a verifiable source on your talk page, Trendsettler, but it does not mention his involvement with YouTube or make him seem notable.

Wikipedian
Note, incidentally, that Jawed is a long-term (if rather occasional) wikipedian - -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, his claim (in the article) to have created the Air Force One article appears to be bourne out by that article's history. It was created by  in this edit; that IP is registered to a DSL supplier to Mountain View, California.  Mountain View is the adjacent town to Palo Alto, and thus is handy for Stanford (particularly for Stanford students who avoid overpriced and parking-ticket-happy Palo Alto). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:49, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Other connections
Incidentally, he was an EFnet #c regular and (I believe) one half of Nullsoft before Winamp turned it into a commercial entity. No citation, that's why I'm putting this on Talk: instead. 74.129.234.170
 * And he co-founded TokBox, now they list him as "advisor"--87.162.14.142 (talk) 19:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

script policy
The script in the first sentence should be based on pronunciation. The idea of the script is to give the readers the correct pronunciation of the name. Even though his name is Islamic, the pronunciation of his name (how Jawed Karim and his parents pronounce his name) is based on Bengali pronunciation since he is a Bengali (Not Arabic). Even though he is a part German, Wikipedia policy clearly states that there is no need for script that uses Latin alphabets: "For a foreign term written in a language that uses the Roman alphabet, there is no need for any transliteration". http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Transliteration_and_romanization Tarikur (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)


 * now i understand why you did not follow my explanation. the pronounciation itself is not bengali, its the pronounciation according to the quran. the german pronounciation can be put in the beginning there is no real need to neglect it since there are a lot of other languages that use a derivative of the latin script. his mother pronounces his muslim name according to the german language since he was born in germany and his mother is german.


 * According to Wikipedia policy: "For a foreign term written in a language that uses the Roman alphabet, there is no need for any transliteration" . I am sorry but this is the policy of Wikipedia policy: any languages that use Latin alphabets, the transliteration script is not needed. The name came from the Quran but not the pronunciation (you can not change how people pronounce names like you can not change people' accent of a langauage). Again read the wikipedia'spolicy, the pronunciation should be based on the way Jawed Karim and his parents pronounce his name, which is the Bengali proninciation. For example, in Arabic pronunciation, "K" sound come from the back of the throat. However, in Bengali pronunciation "K" sound comes from the jaws. Jawed Karim pronounces the "K" sound from the jaws (not from back of the throat as the Arabic script implies), so therefore putting the Arabic script give you a misleading pronunciation of Jawed Karim's name. Tarikur (talk) 14:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Please read what i have discussed. your application of the wikipedia policy is wrong in this case since we are not just talking about pronounciations his mother pronounces it slightly different because she is not muslim and she would pronounce the name according to german language. but his father would pronounce his muslim name according to the quranic pronounciation. muslims dont pronounce their names according to different languages. they pronounce it according to the quranic pronounciation. that is why i told you that you dont understand the concept of muslim names. I find it really strange as i am bangladeshi myself and it seems strange why someone would remove the correct quranic pronounciation of the name from the article. just asking out of curiousity are you hindu bengali from india? from your discussion i am assuming that you are unaware how bangladeshis name their children. also here is another example of a wikipedia article with different pronounciations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai


 * This is not about me or who I am, but this is about Wikipedia's policy. You simply do not understand the policy, and you are confused. I do not see the point of giving me those example links. Give me one example of a German person, who has a German Latin script and also, give me one example of a non-Arab Muslim person having an Arabic script. I looked into thousand of people and they all follow same policy. You can have German IPA pronunciation but not a Latin script of German language because according to Wikipedia's policy, English Wikipedia must adopt the same spelling as the native language that uses Latin alphabets. Therefore, if Jawed Karim uses his German name, his whole name including the title should be in that spelling. If he was formerly known by German name, then you must put "formerly known as". People can have different pronunciations based on different languages, but they cannot have a totally different name because the language is different. The pronunciation of the name is based on how the person pronounces his name (not what you want the pronunciation to be or should be). By giving the Arabic script, you give the reader wrong pronunciation of the name. It is dangerous to force a person to adopt or be called by Arabic pronunciation because he/she is Muslim. In short, the pronunciation and the spelling is based on the individual person, not what other people want the name to be. Tarikur (talk) 12:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I already explained to you that muslim names are pronounced according to the quran not according to different languages. that is why i explained to you that you did not understand the convention behind muslim names. i already gave you examples of wikipedia articles with different pronounciations. please do not push your pov and try to achieve proper compromise.

salahuddin kurdish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin


 * DO not push your POV. A person can have Muslim name without being Muslim. Pronunciation is always based on how the individual person pronounces his/her the name. Salahuddin is written in Arabic script since his fame come from Arab culture and he probably spoke Arabic since his birth; thus pronunciation would be be Arabic. Anyway, you have to go to Medieval time to find a Muslim person with a Arabic script. Tarikur (talk) 01:00, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Once again you are POV pushing. i am not sure what you mean when you say muslim? i think what you were trying to say is that a person can have an Arabic name and not be a muslim because there are some arabs who are christian who also use arabic script when writing their names. please use correct terminology when you are discussing. also jawed karim is a practising muslim. i will also provide more examples, check the wikipedia page for tamerlane and abraham. once again i ask you to avoid POV.


 * You do not know the policy of Wikipedia, period. Give me a modern non-Arab Muslim person with a arabic script? Arabian person, who is born in a Arab country, must only the Arabic script regardless of the origin of the name (name could be Christian, Western, Korean, and etc origin). Since he is Bengali, regardless of origin (in this case Arabic), name must be in Bengali only since he pronounce his name the Bengali way. By giving Arabic script, you are giving readers the wrong pronunciation of the name. The pronunciation is based on the individual; not based on how the name is supposed to be pronounced. Tarikur (talk) 19:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by non-arab muslim and arabic script. you do realize that all muslims learn how to read and write arabic at a very young age in order to read the Quran and recite Quran for praying. there are people whose names are in urdu which follows the arabic alphabet but they are not arab. iranians have their name written in persian whose alphabets follow the arabic script and they are not arab. there is a sizeable minority of people in bangladesh who speak urdu as well apart from bengali and english.


 * I agree with Tarikur. The Jawed Karim is a Muslim name and is of Arabic origin but Arabic names have taken different pronunciation style based on the culture and local language of the Muslims. For example the largest ethnic Muslim community could be found in Indonesia and these Indonesian people do not speak Arabic language. However they tend to name their children by Arabic name. By not following the Arabic culture but naming the new born with Arabic name has created a confusion where the name is Arabic but is spelled and pronounced differently. This is the same situation in Bangladesh. Given Jawed's mother is German and probably is not an expert in Arabic names, Jawed might be named by his father, Naimul Karim or someone who is accustomed to Muslim naming. So the actual pronunciation of Jawed Karim's name would be according to the Bengali pronunciation. Arabic names are pronounced differently based on the culture of the people who are using the Arabic name. In Egypt the "al" is pronounced "el" even though they both are Arabs. Bengalis in Bangladesh are predominantly Muslims and hence they tend to use names of Arabic origin but with their own pronunciation. This is a very common practice around the world where Arabic names are pronounced differently. Like Mehmet in Turkey. Jawed Karim was named not by an Arabic speaking person but by a Bengali speaking Muslim. So I think the Bengali pronunciation is important. I would love to see Jawed having an opinion in his own pronunciation though. And the other person who is arguing in this issue, can you please sign your name after your comment?! Follow the Wikipedia rule. ~ gromell  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.255.3 (talk) 23:21, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Jawed in "জাওয়েদ করিম" (prounonced "Jawed" and not "Javed") is an arab name, end of discussion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EF25:CEF0:E989:C117:8401:400B (talk) 19:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

References deletion
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Bangladeshi German American
I suppose the idea is that he he of half Bangladeshi and half German descent and an American national. I am not sure how to categorize that, but probably not as "German people of Bangladeshi descent". --dab (𒁳) 09:08, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

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