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Cast section?
This article is perfect, even though it lacks a cast section. Here is one that would be good:


 * Roy Scheider as Chief Martin Brody
 * Robert Shaw as Quint
 * Richard Dreyfuss as Matt Hooper
 * Lorraine Gary as Ellen Brody
 * Murray Hamilton as Mayor Larry Vaughn
 * Susan Backlinie as Chrissie Watkins, the shark's first victim
 * Jeffrey Kramer as Deputy Hendricks
 * Chris Rebello as Michael Brody, Martin's son who witnesses the shark attack in the estuary
 * Jay Mello as Sean Brody, Martin's younger son and Michael's brother
 * Jeffrey Voorhees as Alex Kintner, the shark's second victim; the attack on him makes the whole town aware of the shark's presence
 * Lee Fierro as Mrs. Kintner, Alex Kintner's mother, who, furious about her son's death, puts a bounty on the shark
 * Craig Kingsbury as Ben Gardner, a local fisherman found dead after Hooper discovers the great white shark's tooth in the hull of his boat
 * Dr. Robert Nevin as The Coroner
 * Peter Benchley as The News Reporter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.112.97.43 (talk) 12:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * The "Cast" section is merged with the "Casting" section. It makes the article a little bit more integrated and reduces redundancy. Betty Logan (talk) 12:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Revote for a normal cast section for this and other film articles. Get the info out there, sod your ideas about "integration." Make it normal and informative. It's not about you. O0drogue0o (talk) 09:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This table has nothing to do with me, but whoever created it has done a good job. It is a formatted in a way that is perfectly consistent with WP:CASTLIST: "A basic cast list in a "Cast" section is appropriate for the majority of Stub-class articles ... a table or infobox grouping actors and their roles may be placed in the plot summary or in the "Casting" subsection of a "Production" section." Betty Logan (talk) 13:36, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

'Considered one of the greatest films ever made...'
Hi. It's a superb film, but to me this statement would imply that it's widely regarded by recognised authorities as one of the (say) twenty best films of all time. I don't think it's as highly regarded as that - it never set out to be the kind of searching, wide-ranging work of art that some of the very greatest films are. And there's no shame in that.

In a quick search I couldn't find Jaws listed in the linked list of greatest films.

Regards to all Notreallydavid (talk) 20:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Huh? I did a quick Google search. Hollywood Reporter lists it as #24. AFI lists it as #48. IMDB has multiple, one contributor based on criteria, lists it as #50. Rotten Tomatoes as #90. As time has gone on, other great pictures of recent vintage have been made, while the classics are still there. I think Jaws still should be regarded as one of the great pictures of all time. If I remember correctly, it was the picture that defined the "summer blockbuster" moniker, so it should be considered one of the greats simply because of that...Aspenguy2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:42, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Iconic too
I observed the featured status and hence I won't add "iconic" to the lead without discussing it first. To my knowledge "under water motion pictures" had been made before (perhaps with some few exceptions like that black & white film which I think was called "The monster in the Black Lagoon" or something similar. But suddenly here was a fish eating people on the white screen. It was a success even before the premiere, written about in various men's magazines etc. After this film, and during a long time afterwards, dozens of other film with "fish eating humans"-stories. From other sharks, killer whales to piranhas. So, I hereby propose to add the word "iconic" to the beginning of the lead. "..iconic thriller film..." Boeing720 (talk) 01:24, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment - "iconic" has nothing to do with the film's genre. It remains a thriller etc.Boeing720 (talk) 06:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)


 * Oppose - Per WP:PEACOCK. The reader can decide how/if "iconic" the film is. -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 10:34, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose. "Iconic" is subjective, and sounds very commercial-ish. It's also not an aspect in films.  Gerald WL  08:39, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose the final paragraph of the lead contextualises the film's iconic status. The opening paragraph should just be a simple factual description of the work. Betty Logan (talk) 00:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Just an FYI that the recent responses are to a thread started over a year ago from a user who is currently blocked. Just saying, there's probably not much point in further discussion unless someone thinks this is worth reviving. DonIago (talk) 00:46, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Lol, I didn't notice the date! I just saw the discussion pop up on my watchlist. Either way, at least there is a consensus now. Betty Logan (talk) 14:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

References to use

 * Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.



Bruce
I summarized what a source said about a recent development, but for a featured article, the description should probably look more professional. At some point the Academy Museum of Motion Pictures will open, and moving Bruce into the museum becomes less important. Maybe Bruce should be described starting with the fact the three original sharks were destroyed and Bruce was built to replace it. Now Bruce is about to become what maybe the museum's biggest attraction.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:33, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Cast
We need to add the cast after the plot, because then everyone will be confused as of where the WHOLE cast is. Besides, someone removed it. JoshuaSaver (talk) 07:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There's no requirement for that, and there's clearly a section marked Casting that includes a table listing the principals. DonIago (talk) 08:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with Doniago. The casting section is clearly marked in the contents section if people wish to read that information. Betty Logan (talk) 15:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Hooper and Brody make it back to shore at the end
The end credits show Hooper and Brody make it to land safely: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7AfpnheMW0 - go to 2:23 mark. So the plot section should say "Hooper surfaces, and he and Brody paddle on boat wreckage to Amity Island where they make it safely to shore" or something like that (I am not much of a writer lol).

I think it's a very important plot point that they make it back to land safely. Thoughts?

McDonaldsGuy (talk) 03:35, 18 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Please note that new Talk page threads should generally be placed at the bottom of the page. Thanks!
 * I'm not sure whether the fact that they actually make it to shore is especially relevant, as it can be resonably inferred (I think). In fact, the way it currently reads, "paddle to Amity island" could be interpreted as implying that they do make it to the island successfully. DonIago (talk) 15:47, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * HAHAHA! I kind of knew it too, thanks for reminding me. True, but it may not mean they did successfully make it back. When I first tried to make the edit, I was told them making it back to land wasn't in the movie. But them making it safely to shore is in the movie and I think very important as it shows our hero made it home. So I am not entirely sure if that's implied there (after all, they could have drowned, got killed by other sharks, etc. etc.). But I just read the new edit and it works. Thanks again. (I edited this comment from earlier) McDonaldsGuy (talk) 04:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I have added the word "back" to the sentence to make it a bit more explicit they make it back. Betty Logan (talk) 16:33, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * If we indeed should present the entire plot, then it's of significance that Quint was eaten and the other two survived. But I'm certainly not a great supporter of revealing a film from the first scene to the last one. Boeing720 (talk) 01:45, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't think this wording works at all - "Hooper surfaces, and he and Brody paddle back to Amity Island clinging to the remaining barrels." - They built a makeshift raft from wood, rope and multiple barrels using it to return to island in the distance. The current description evokes the image they are holding onto barrels which would be extremely difficult in the water. Haven't you ever seen a log rolling contest?Aspenguy2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:31, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Oh shrug! You're in the water with multiple debris ; if you can tie a knot you do it, and gather more debris. Having been on the blunt end of more than a few "marine survival" courses (for work ; they're not "fun"), most people who are "confident in water" (no need to touch bottom) could pull debris together. The more tired person rests on the "raft" and backs up the less tired person on the current debris hunt. You tire rapidly (even in warm water), but it is enough to allow some rest between swimming bouts. It may not be in your school swimming training, but SaS ("Survival at Sea") training includes ... how to put this ... "incidental opportunities" and your decreasing ability (water is cold, and conducts heat better than air; in the water, you get cold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A Karley (talk • contribs) 02:13, 8 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree with Boeing720 in the way plot summaries seem to be written by some people. They "telegraph" information in the early part of the summary based on seeing the whole movie. When I re-wrote the plot summary for the original Total Recall, I had to change the summary so it revealed information only when the info was provided during the movie.Aspenguy2 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Per WP:FILMPLOT: "Events in the film do not have to be written in the order in which they appear on screen. If necessary, reorder the film's events to improve understanding of the plot." We are summarising the plot, not transcribing it. Betty Logan (talk) 12:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

length of the film
The source to the length of the film has an error messasge. Can the link listed here be used? https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/jaws-film-qxnzzxq6vlgtnji4mzu1 73.167.238.120 (talk) 17:40, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

✅ Betty Logan (talk) 09:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Mayor Larry Vaughn as meme target
Anyone got good sources on this? This article from People is kind of a weak source, but I'd think People is actually pretty OK for something lightweight like this. This op-ed from the Los Angeles Times puts Vaugn in a bit more of a historical context, comparing him to the Love Canal controversy and the COVID19 pandemic. I'm not really sure what tack to take on this, but it'd probably be easiest to find lightweight articles on "Larry Vaugn as a meme target". And this article states Boris Johnson has hailed Vaugn as a hero multiple times. Not really sure if that would really belong to the same section, but it's certainly a different interpretation of the character. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:06, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

New York or New England?
Does the film ever specifically indicate that it takes place in New England? I thought the film, like the book, was set in New York's Long Island, even though it wasn't shot there. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * @Metropolitan90 In the scene where the newspaper reporter is talking to Brody after the death of the Kintner boy, he expresses concern about the $3000 reward that Mrs. Kintner is offering for the shark. He says that she's also advertising in ouy of town papers and that if they aren't careful "people will be coming in from all over New England." I guess you could argue he isn't literally saying that they too are in New England, but it is at the very least heavily implied. 50.72.38.127 (talk) 18:40, 6 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Metropolitan90 According to two book sources: (1) The Fiction of America: Performance and the Cultural Imaginary in Literature and Film (2013) p. 221 ~ "The film is set on Amity Island, a fictional place off the Massachusetts coast..." AND (2) The Best of Universal (1997) p. 26 ~ "the sandy shores of Amity Island off the Massachusetts coast..."
 * Also, If you listen to Brody's radio broadcast prior to Alex Kitner's death, they announce the "ferry schedule for Martha's Vineyard, Amity and Nantucket Islands", the newspaper reporter (referenced above by another IP user) states after the caught tiger shark "I want to get on the state wire services (AP, UPI), see if Boston will pick it up". Additionally, Brody and Mayor Vaughn's cars have a 1972–78 stylized Massachusetts plate --> confirmed by Vehicle registration plates of Massachusetts. 2601:194:4100:78C0:19:B610:64D8:A7D6 (talk) 23:18, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Good research! (Adding a ping for @Metropolitan90, it wouldn't have sent because you added it after you'd signed your comment.) Schazjmd   (talk)  23:27, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks to all of you for looking into this. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:36, 20 July 2023 (UTC)