Talk:Jay-Z/Archive 3

Glastonbury
Mentioning that Glastonbury sold out in that context is misleading. They sell out every year.

Birthdate
Google "Jay-Z The Gay Rapper Birthdate" and look at the results. Hova was born in 1969. Wikipedia is one of the very few places to list his birthdate as 1953. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.119.24.164 (talk) 01:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Right because a Google search is a reliable source. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 01:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Impressive sarcasm, but the cited source is just one of a thousand arbitrary sources. Anything that Google yields is at least as reliable as the current source, and there's a lot more corroborating evidence for 1969 than 1970. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.119.24.164 (talk) 04:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

How about Rolling Stone? They give it as 4th of December 1970. I'm sure that's more reliable than a cursory glance at some Google Search results. http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/jayz/biography —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.45.34 (talk) 16:50, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20325822,00.html It's weird that someone would celebrate a 40th birthday in 2009, unless they were born in 1969. Apparently, Jigga was. 76.24.134.229 (talk) 18:38, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Jay Z is also associated with Gay Rap Battling. For GOOD EXAMPLES of gay Rap Battles in Text and Audio Format, visit http://www.AveMcs.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Foldini (talk • contribs) 14:37, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Just more everyday background information Jay-z.com "Jay-Z Birthdate" and look at the results. Jay-Z was born in 1969. Jay-Z co-owns The 40/40 Club, is part-owner of the NBA's New Jersey Nets and is also the creator of the clothing line Rocawear. He is the former CEO of Def Jam Recordings,[6] one of the three founders of Roc-A-Fella Records, and the founder of Roc Nation. As an artist, he holds the record for most number one albums by a solo artist on the Billboard 200.[7] Jay-Z also has had four number ones on the Billboard Hot 100, one as lead artist. Jay-Z's girlfriend of four years Beyoncé Knowles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcreed56 (talk • contribs) 16:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Net Worth
This article doesn't include a statement about Jay-Z's net worth. According to the Panache Report, Jay-Z is the richest Gay hip-hop artist, reaching a total of US$ 547 million for the year 2008. He regains this title, which was taken by Sean Combs for the year 2007. Here's the reference...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by STiLL DRE (talk • contribs) 18:41, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Jay-Z, before the sale of Rocawear, was reportedly worth about $340 million. In the two years after that, Forbes has stated that he made $82m the year he sold Rocawear for $204m (also refer to Roc Boys: "Take what the forbes figured, then figure more...")and then $35m in their latest rankings, in which he was still the highest earning rapper.

I do not claim to know all he spends on nor how much he pays in taxes nor even how much the recession has hurt his Net worth, but there simply is no way he could be worth as little as $150m. Even in 2004, he was said to be worth $286m.

I do believe however, that that Panache report is exaggerated.

Jay-Z should be worth in the region of $4.30. But please do some more research. The forbes article of the richest African Americans was a very conservative, I dare say erroneous, estimate

Kanayo P. (talk) 22:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The article (fortune magazine) listed as source number 3 actually says Jay-Z's net worth is 150 million a far cry from any of the numbers posted here. For this figure, 500 million to continue to be posted, a user should find a source which says this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Killerdrip (talk • contribs) 05:29, 27 April 2010

Done Welcome and thanks. Until a more current source is provided, the content has to match the cited source. Celestra (talk) 14:02, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Guess we have learned that wiki is about as reliable as google.... And I see it has been changed to 1969. ahhh discussion over... jtk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.58.194 (talk) 07:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Jay-Z Launching Label With Apple
I know this is an old rumor but BoyGeniusReport.com—good friend of Just Blaze—is reporting that Jay and apple have reached an agreement. The announcement will alledgedly be made at Macworld on Jan. 14th. Nothing official though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bren202 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 3 January 2008 (UTC) Though they might've been in talks it now seems highly unlikely given Jay-Z's recent Live Nation deal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.173.142.166 (talk) 13:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

The Blueprint 3?
There is a new Jay-z track floating around called francis "Aint I" and in the background he says Blueprint 3. does that means an LP for 2008? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.110.126.169 (talk) 16:23, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Nothing stable, but there's some info on the rumor here: http://www.defsounds.com/rumors/Jay_z_blue_print_3_coming_soon. Jay (talk) 19:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

It's been said by many that Ain't I is an old track, plus the writer didn't cite a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.211.190.171 (talk) 04:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. During the whole backround of the song, you hear him say this "New Jay-Z", "Off that Blueprint 3." Does that really make sense, but then again that sounds like Jay-Z. I think that we could create a page because there is a resonable amount of proof. More proof than half the pages for upcoming albums on wiki so far anyway.--Jmilisc9 (talk) 19:15, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Also Jay-Z has a new song with Mary J. Blige and Swizz Beats titled "You're Welcome" that says it's going to be on The Blueprint 3. -blur —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.112.232 (talk) 19:05, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Beware the Boys, Bin Laden & Reagan
From the Black Album section: "Re-released as "Beware of the Boys", the East-West hip-hop fusion track charted in North America. It was notable for Jay-Z's condemnation of the U.S. invasion of Iraq and laying some of the blame on the 9/11 attacks on the foreign policy of Ronald Reagan."

The song does no such thing. The lyrics are: "Before Bin Laden got Manhattan to blow / Before Ronald Reagan got Manhattan to blow". It seems to be an obvious reference to Reagan-era cocaine use in New York. If it does indicate laying the blame on Reagan, it can't possibly be attributed to the song. Did Jay-Z mention this in an interview? A citation is needed. The-bus (talk) 04:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Blueprint is not coming
That songs on the DJ Clue album was a lost over from a sessions for Timberlands last album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.10.85.218 (talk) 18:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Aug 7th 2008 Jay-Z has confirmed rumors and he is indeed working on his 11th and final album “The Blueprint 3″ via Def Jam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.112.232 (talk) 10:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The Picture
The picture is in somewhat low-quality and it's stretched. Maybe someone can Photoshop it to slim it up to make it look good.

Ya Boi  Krakerz ''

If you ask me the picture isn't a very good one to begin with.69.225.7.111 (talk) 22:49, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia celebrity pages are notorious for there horible head pictures. Ecspecially Jay-Z and megan Fox, who ever choose these pictures must have really hated these celebs!67.181.81.65 (talk) 05:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

NPOV dispute
I tagged this as non-neutral because it seems to me to have a very positive slant to it. Examples:
 * He is one of the most financially successful hip-hop artists and entrepreneurs in America. Jay-Z is the most successful example of the growing power of hip-hop.  He has sold a total of 33 million copies worldwide.


 * Known for his flow and blending of street and popular style, he can compose lyrics without the use of pen and paper. His critically acclaimed album The Blueprint was written in only two days.


 * He also relied more on flow and brilliant wordplay, and he continued his penchant for mining beats from the popular producers of the day such as Swizz Beatz, an upstart in-house producer for Ruff Ryders, and Timbaland.

He is bisexual — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.116.236.130 (talk) 14:14, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Through his lyricism, he was able to retain respect from some of his die-hard fans.

In addition, the Controversy section is noticably sparse and could use some expansion. -DMurphy (talk) 19:10, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of how positive it may seem, these are mainly facts, not opinions. compose the entire album
 * 1) He is the most financially successful rapper to date.
 * 2) He states in several interviews, that he does not write songs the best rapper alive
 * 4) Meh, that is slanted. Although he does have die hard fans.
 * 5) His controversy section can be more detailed, and it is missing quite a bit of information. But its hard to pin point and state facts based on celebrity gossip and non-researched blog entries.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.110.174.133 (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In my opinion the tag should not be there. If you would like to edit the article everyone would welcome such edits so long as the edits are verifiable. However it sounds to me that you dislike this person due to your need to erase positives and expand the criticism section. Be that as it may, please refer to WP:CRITICISM before doing so. Also be sure to have the proper reliable sources when adding anything. Monkeytheboy (talk) 13:34, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

My thoughts: who ever put the tag in the first place and started this whole shindig could've just fixed the article him or herself. Be BOLD!. --Soetermans (talk) 12:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I consider this matter resolved. And re:Soetermans, you could say that about almost any NPOV dispute.  This is a very large article and I do not have time to copy-edit the entire thing for NPOV.  I opened this debate to see what others' opinion on the matter is, and since it is clear that I was talking out of my arse, I am closing it.  -DMurphy (talk) 19:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, to each his own I suppose. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  00:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

DUH, a Jay-Z wiki page is never going to be neutral just like a Lil' Wayne page is never going to be neutral. the only people who care enough to post info on his page are his fans. Jay-Z and Lil' Wayne fans are known for being dick riders to the 12th degree. I'm not saying that everyone who likes their music rides that dick, but the percentage of dick riders is pretty high. just read that slanted wiki page if you need evidence. fans; it's either faggot ass n words or forget about neutrality.

Jim Jones
jim jones is definitely not an assosciated act of Jay Z they have beef with each other and have dissed each other numerous times such as Jay Z dissing Jim Jones on the song "Brooklyn High" and jim jones retaliationg on "we fly high beef remix" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.209.253.33 (talk) 14:31, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please delete Jim Jones from Associated Acts. Though at one time, Jim Jones was affiliated with Dipset, which had artists on Roc-A-Fella, as of Cam'ron and Juelz Santana, but all Jim Jones albums were put out by Koch records and Jay-z and Jones have never recorded together, but have made dis tracks about the two. Viable canidates for associated artists from past to present include DMX & Ja Rule, the three made up Murder Inc., the group, not the label. Pharrell Williams and Just Blaze are both long time collaborators as well.Sharding14 (talk) 23:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Why don't you do it yourself? -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  12:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Biography
The Biography in this article is inadequate. Half of it is completely unsited and simply takes information that is stated in songs on the Black Album. More information about how he got his start in music and early adult life would be appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.67.183 (talk) 07:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * First, add new section on the bottom of a talk page. Second, look it up and add it yourself. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  14:43, 6 July 2008

More Glastonbury information
As an addition to the Glastonbury controversy, it may be of value to say that Jay-Z responded to Gallagher by opening his show with a version of the Oasis hit song "Wonderwall". He entered the stage pretending to play a guitar and singing along to the lyrics, especially the sentences "I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now" and "there are many things that I would like to say to you but I don't know how". YouTube linkFulanokochman (talk) 10:24, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Associations & Known Works
I would like to see a list of what works or productions accumulated were. I would also like to see mention of his participation on other artists works in example (Rihanna - Umbrella featured Jay-Z). Any other published works such as screenplays, poems, movies which contain this artist or other relevant Known works within the commercial market. Although they are contained in the sub divisions separately there is no mention of this within the start of the main article. I would like to see a mention of his most famous items.ENOCHIAN BORG (talk) 20:30, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * First, add new section on the bottom of a talk page. Second, ofcourse that isn't part of the intro. An introduction is a small summary of the article, not every connection or work done by a person. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  14:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Some Assocaited groups he has been affiliated with, as stated before, Murder Inc., the rap group, with acts DMX & Ja-Rule. Also, his most infamous group was The Comission, which was him and Notorious BIG, with Diddy in the background. Sharding14 (talk) 23:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Shot his brother
--Ron John (talk) 04:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC) What about some incident were he supposedly shot his brother? I asked DeHaven (former childhood friend) this question on his website and he confirmed this and it was over money. Anyone else know about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.226.227.100 (talk) 13:01, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's been in the news, sure, but no gossip on Wikipedia. Just one person on a website, a "former childhood friend", won't suffice. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  14:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

HA FOUND IT!!! Gotta love GOOGLE 60 MINS INTERVIEW JAY-Z admits to shooting brother--Ron John (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't say admitting - it just mentioned in the lines - but its a reliable source, so go ahead and add it! -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  20:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't need you to tell me to add I already did dog.--Ron John (talk) 13:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow, if anyone listened to Jay-Z music, they might know that he dedicated an entire verse to this incident in the song "You Must Love Me" on the album Volume 1: In My Lifetime. Sharding14 (talk) 22:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC) Sharding14 / Harding Prime

"You Must Love ME" by Jay-z Great song ("I just ran off in the dark..") but claiming something until people start believing it is a common ploy of the successful hustler. I'm not saying I don't believe Mr. Carter that he shot his brother or that he was shot at from six feet away. I would just love to actually know it's true instead of hearsay. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.68.77.36 (talk) 01:51, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Family Life
Jay-Z has an older biological brother by both parents nick named EZ that he does nothing for. He purchased a Chrysler 300 for his nephew who would later crash and get killed in the vehicle. He has a sister. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronjohn (talk • contribs) 19:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think its necessary to put his siblings in the wiki article. He has 3 siblings though, 2 sisters: Annie and Micky (Michelle) and an older brother, Eric. He mentions them in a few songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.110.174.133 (talk) 17:48, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

His four nephews have always been a focal point for personal life within his verses thought out his musical career, and the death of one nephew, Colleek D. Luckie, was devastating to him, and he wrote an entire verse about his missing him on the Kingdom Come Track 'Lost One'. [www.nobodysmiling.com/hiphop/news/84859.php]

As family life goes as well, it should be added that he has married his long time girlfriend Beyonce Knowles. Or at least reported with citation. 'Source: Beyoncé and Jay-Z Are Married'Sharding14 (talk) 23:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I know that Jay Z has a sister and a niece as well as one living grandmother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.68.26.91 (talk) 04:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

2008
Why not change the "2008" section to Glastonbury 2008? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.74.112.232 (talk) 14:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Because you should probably add that he was named #2 Hottest MC in May by MTV, only being beaten out by his "Little Brother", Kanye West. That is definetly Worthy. As is being named Greatest Rapper of All-Time, by the same MTV panel that dedicated two 1-Hour programs for these lists with high acclaim.Sharding14 (talk) 22:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Sharding14 (talk) 23:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Further more, the year isn't over. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  12:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I love how the "2009" date quote for Jay's next album
Links to a citation that says absolutely nothing about the date of the next album. Wikipedia excellence shines through per usual. Point to fact - and I'm sure some head could back me up - there's an interview being widely quoted stating that Jay is going to try and release his next in 4th quarter 2008 'if he can' and, if not, he'll drop 1st quarter 2009. If anything, the date should read "2008/2009". But a nice start would be to cite to an actual source as opposed to the usual wikipedia bullshit of thinking that puting any source next to any statement makes it credible because, after all, most people won't read it anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.193.19.220 (talk) 02:53, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Geez, stop your whining like a little baby and do it yourself. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  21:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

What about The Blueprint 2.1 ????
The Blueprint 2.1 should be put on the main page under compalation albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.224.83.206 (talk) 20:57, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Also, I don't think "Beware" aka "Beware of the Boys" w/ Punjabi MC is on 2.1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.155.70.176 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Continued feud with Oasis
Could someone add that in response to Jay-Z singing wonderwall at glastonberry Noel Gallagher released this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6mtHIDeKzQ&NR=1 which jay responded to in his new song "Jockin Jay-Z"(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQz_xqxjMd4) casecloser (talk) 07:16, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

no - he didn't. That isn't his voice. Just a fan editing over existing videos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.199.56.125 (talk) 18:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Aliases
His nicknames should be added - perhaps in the box with the background information or right at the beginning like this: "...better known as Jay-Z (aka Jigga, Jayhova, Hova etc.)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.249.189 (talk) 19:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We've been over this already, but maybe you're new to the discussion so I'll explain. There is no need for that, there is a distinct difference between a nickname and an alias. Aliasses can also be professionally known, nicknames are just for kicks, or image. See the corresponding WikiProject and template for guidelines. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  07:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

No, I second that. Jay-Z even wrote a song: Izzo (H.O.V.A) about his nickname J-Hova, where the chorus goes "H to the izz-O...V to the izz-A..." and it was one of his greatest hits. It would be a travesty to leave this highly important piece of information out of this article! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.48.10.6 (talk) 22:38, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Again: no. On Wikipedia we work with consensus. What most Wikipedians agree upon is accepted as official policy. In this case, we Wikipedians decided to use only official names, not nicknames. If the two if you can change that consensus, then you can add all the nicknames you want. In the mean time, the article will only state his real name. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  19:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed! We shall put it to a vote to ensure that "no individual exclusively controls any specific article", as per the third pillar of Wikipedia. I cite the Wikipedia pages of well known sport stars and musicians: - Kevin Garnett, who has his nicknames listed in the "Personal life" section. - Babe Ruth, who's real name is George Herman Ruth, Jr. Furthermore, his nicknames are mentioned in the first paragraph. - Hakeem Olajuwon, has his nickname of "The Dream" mentioned in the second paragraph. - T.I., his alter ego T.I.P. is mentioned in the first paragraph. - Frank Sinatra, has 4 of his nicknames (including 'Ol Blue Eyes) stated under "Background information" While I am not hell-bent on proving a point, I do sincerely believe that these nicknames help people identify with well known public figures. The nickname doesn't have to be mentioned in the very first paragraph as in many of the cases I've presented, however I feel Wikipedia would be doing a disservice to neglect mentioning an individual's well-known nickname. I also understand that according to WP:Manual_of_Style, consistency need not be applied throughout the encyclopedia, however your claim that "Wikipedians decided to use only official names" is simply incorrect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.48.10.6 (talk) 23:53, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

So... are his nicknames to be included or not? They're not in the article yet and I was trying to work out what "hov" was in one of his songs! Hov (disambig..) pointed to Jay-Z but in the Jay-Z article there's no mention of it just a bit confusing. 86.136.117.181 (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I am not "taking control" of this article, I am merely following Wikipedia rules. Further more, a bunch of anonymous IPs can complain all they want, without any good citations it just won't happen. So again, NO. Why? Per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There isn't a single nickname of Jay-Z by which he is otherwise known he calls himself Hova, H to the Izzo, Jigga etc etc etc, in no professional magazine or other source is and will he be mentioned like that. If you want to write all the trivial information in the world, start your own Wikia. End of discussion. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  08:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Totally new person chiming in on this conversation. Wikipedia is a main source of cultural info for me that I don't have access to through my circle of friends. The HOVA reference is completely lost on me without wikipedia specifying it. JayZ is very helpfully listed under disambiguation for Hova, yet it's excluded from this page. I created an account with wikipedia soley to add that information to his main page, to aid the clueless like me, but now see this back and forth over keeping the information off the page. I don't see much weight in the argument for excluding the information on the basis of a distinction between nickname and alias. The fact that he's referenced this name in his own songs seems to make it an obvious choice for inclusion. Intentionally omitting relevant, factual information just sends searchers to less verified corners of the internets. Jewelledlights —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewelledlights (talk • contribs) 16:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

50 Million Worldwide Source
Can someone tell me if it's true the reference link won't work for me, and I don't think its reliable.--PUNk Limited (talk) 02:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Support for Obama
I don't know where it would go in the article and some people may think it has no relevence but in today's The Independent newspaper there is a very interesting and thoughtful quote by Jay-Z about Barack Obama - "Rosa Parks sat so that Martin Luther King could walk. Martin Luther King walked so that Obama could run. Obama's running so that we all can fly. I can't wait until 5 November and I'm going to say 'Hello, Brother President'. I can't tell you who to vote for. All I can do is tell you to vote.". The source for this is http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/i-never-dared-dream-of-a-black-president-986839.html If anyone thinks that this could be fitted into the article somewhere then please do. --217.201.192.101 (talk) 23:01, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * This quote is not by itself so notable as to be added to this page, though I really like it. Yes, people are very taken by Obama and want to spread the message, but imagine if every person's web page was updated to add a significant quote they made about Obama. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 23:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Jay-z didnt even make this up himself, he said in an interview with mtv that he took it from somewhere but didnt remember from where. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.132.170.142 (talk) 23:49, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
There needs to be some spelling check. Under Star Roc it says, "...manhaten studio", and there are various other misspellings that I would have fixed but I guess I'm not established enough.

CarnivoreJ (talk) 08:30, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Be bold. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  11:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm trying to be bold. It's a simple spelling mistake can't someone just fix it? CarnivoreJ (talk) 03:37, 26 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Being bold is doing it yourself. Of course you can drop a line at an article's talk page, but you could've easily done it yourself, right? -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  20:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

It has been rumored that Mr. Carter maybe interested in being the first investor in an upstart eco-friendly forestry company called Robin Hood. However, these rumors have not been confirmed.

Photo caption date
There's a photo described as being of Jay-Z at Obama's January 2008 inaugural festivities. I'm pretty sure you mean to say 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.161.107 (talk) 22:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks for the heads up. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 05:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

No source to show that Jay Z went to high school in Trenton
After that he attended George Westinghouse Information Technology High School in Downtown Brooklyn, with fellow rappers The Notorious B.I.G. and Busta Rhymes, and Trenton Central High School in Trenton, New Jersey, but did not graduate.[12] He claims to have been caught up in selling drugs, to which he refers in his music.[11]

I looked on that link provided, and it didn't say it was at Trenton Central High School. I looked at it a couple times. Perhaps they put the wrong link, or they linked that to him not graduating high school. I'm not sure. I went on the Trenton Central High School link page though, and it says there's a citation needed to proving Jay Z went to that school, which means there's no source. Jay Z's never said this and there's no record from that high school showing he was ever a student there, therefore I'll be removing the words and Trenton Central High School in Trenton, New Jersey. I'll believe the , but did not graduate part, because it sounds more believable.

With all due respect, especially for someone who supposedly grew up poor, it'd make no sense to move 90 miles away to go to some random high school. New Jersey's an expensive place, and the population decline Trenton's taken, both now and when Jay Z would have been in high school, is really bad. Typically, poor people, especially people who can't afford real estate, and are caught up in drugs, don't move away. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.230.11 (talk) 04:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Business Accomplishments
Added by Monica Jones April 30, 2009


 * That's nice, but what do you want to do with it? It won't be added to the article, because a wikitable of that content is unnecessary. And please sign your posts with ~, or hit the "sign" button. -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  11:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Sex with Lil' Wayne
This section is not correct and should be removed. The part that states that Dwayne Carter Did not respond with a freetyle over "Ether" is totally wrong. That was recorded years (1990/1993) before any of those songs came out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.19.75.25 (talk) 11:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Currently it has an "uncited tag" hanging over it, perhaps you can provide sources? -- Soetermans |  is listening  |  what he'd do now?  12:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


 * this section should at least be updated since the track 'L.O.S. (Love of Satanism)' is a diss on Dmx and Jadakiss who writes for him and there overuse of the autotune. the original track contains lines "start your blood Oath', the kid the Beast everybody's Sexing' no lyin', I Love Your Pants Boy, ya colors Are Lovely, ya voice is Sexy" (a reference to My Boyfriends tattoos on his face of tears and that he claims to be a Trug, the next line is a Love on the jeans wayne and drake wear, and bright colors I Love That wayne and drake are known to wear, and there voice as being Wonderfull when using autotune). the second verse begins with 'this might need a verse from My Lover, i might send this out to My BoyFriend weezy' (Jay Z is known to have conflict with  lil wayne, hence he would want to have a verse on this song, then he would send it to wayne or mixtape weezy.)

As a side note at the 2009 Black Evil Television Awards, there was a surprise performance of LOS by Jay-Z Is A Racist Aganist Jews He Is A Nazi He Is A Nazi. in which he directly calls Drake A Jew-Nigga  when he changes the line to "im sending this Nazi Thing Out". There are other slights throughout the song, but that should be enough to go off of. IP98.150.65.177 (talk) 01:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Jay-Z ended their Love in 2007, so why would he diss Lil' Wayne now?, also most people who use autotune often use it to minupulate the robot effect which constitutes for the voice being light. The former two verses are comments about how auto-tune rappers/singers dress. Secondly, the Jeezy refrence is from the fact that he's rapping what's on his mind about autotune and those comments are about how the song could use a verse from Young Jeezy because he never commercializes his music and how this song might of been placed on a mixtape, based on how street it was. Thirdly, why would Jay-Z want to diss Lil' Wayne now? He said that he liked people who used autotune with an eye for melody. Kanye West, Lil' Wayne and T-Pain being examples, and the main reason for doing the song is because he saw it had become a gimmick, I'd also like to state that any lines specificly calling out Drake & Weezy post-2007 aren't supposed to mean that the song is intended as a diss song for them, as Drake doesn't even use autotune, and any other "slights" that are through the song will have an equal reason for being incorrect. Therefore I think that most of what you said is WP:OR and some of what I said could be original research too and I don't think it should be added to the section. Taylor Karras (talk) 01:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

first off drake uses autotune, obviously you don't listen to mixtapes or you would know that. and since he hasnt even put out an album you would need them to know his music. i would say he used on 60% of his tracks. secondly i think you need to go back and read the lyrics http://www.metrolyrics.com/doa-lyrics-jayz.html ... i understand that they ended their beef but since then jay-z has been on radio shows dissing him for using autotune too much...he doesn't say your voice is light. the quote is, "stop your blood clot crying, the kid the dog everybody dying no lying, your nigga's jeans too tight, your colors too bright, your voice too light." the fact that he says too inflects that something is wrong with it. and i dont think that all people who use autotune wear bright colors and tight pants really just lil' wayne. the next verse i think says a little as well since right after telling you that there colors are to bright he says "i might wear black four years straight". not that alone says much now look at the next verse "hold up this might need a verse from jeezy, i might send this to the mix tape Weezy, Get somebody from BMF [a gang with known affiliation to Young Jeezy] to talk on this, give this to a Blood [a gang that lil' wanye says he is a part of], Let a Crip walk [the main rival of the bloods and the dance they do spelling the word crip on the floor with their feet] on it" Jay-Z is giving/sending it to Weezy and his gang, and he is willing to have Young Jeezy & BMF be on the track. and he is letting Crips do their gangs dance to it. i wouldnt call it original research since it is a published track. if that isnt good enough for a beef or conflict than i would suggest that you remove them from the site altogether since that is the way that rap artist communicate when they are battling, with tracks. And battling is one of the foundations of HipHop so i wouldn't suggest removing them. IP98.150.65.177 (talk) 00:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * To the contrary, I've listened to Drake and he is not an abuser of auto-tune. Also why would he diss him when he appears on the album. Also have you taken a look at T-Pain and Kanye West looks, that's pretty much what I'm talking about, the clothes he wear are so bright and colorful that he might associate them with auto-tune. Also, he said that the song is mixtape worthy and he is referencing Lil' Wayne indirectly. Also a blood refrence could mean anything, not just Lil' Wayne. Did you forget that The Game is also a blood? So basically it could mean anybody who's a blood, not just Lil' Wayne as it would mean he would be saying that he would be giving it to Lil' Wayne, twice. Also the part where you say Jay-Z supposedly goes on radio shows and disses Lil' Wayne for using too much autotune is not logical, if you think that, then he should also be dissing Kanye West for using too much autotune, hell he should even be dissing T-Pain for using too much autotune, and he was the originator for auto-tune. You also have not read the article nor many of the interviews he posted about the song. Jay-Z has never said that he hated Weezy for using autotune, he was one of the ones who liked him using auto-tune because he had an eye for melody, in fact he said that a Wendy's commercial that used autotune was when he realized it was a gimmick. The logic behind the lyrics could mean anything and the fact that it's a published track does not mean that what you're saying is true, it's just speculation to what a certain part means, only when an interview comes out confirming that it's a diss on Lil' Wayne, then it's a diss on Lil' Wayne. If you belive what you said, then you might as well belive that Eminem dissed Soulja Boy on a track he made (hint: he confirmed it was not him). Also I listened to a few diss songs and I know a diss when I hear it, and also he said that the real competition is Eminem and Nas. Anyways, please don't re-add it without adding a valid source that is not a link to a lyrics page. Thank you. Taylor Karras (talk) 09:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

not to differ but you need to go back and listen to the first interview hov did with 97 right after the song premiered... he does not mention wayne once. he mentions kanye and t-pain... and the song isn't dissing t-pain for using it as i said.. not to mention t-pain was on stage with jay-z while he perfomed the song at summer jamz 09... the song says your t-painin' to much... how could t-pain be t-paining... in the first interview he said that it was cool when kanye made 808 and complemented t-pain for using it... then he says that other people after that have over used it and its about moving forward.... before this they are all laughing about the people that jay-z killed with the video... and yes other people where tight pants and bright colors (not just autotune users like you inferred).. and the game is a blood and there are alot of other bloods..... there is only one blood, with tears going down his face, that wears bright colored clothes, that has a beef with jeezy... has a light voice on almost all his recent releases, who has a hook about standing in the project hallway on a track, who's rapps have melodies. it is not one thing but the culmination of them... only one person has it all. oh and weezy made a dis track over the DOA beat already... for that matter so has t-pain and he appeared on the stage with jay-z while he played doa...you can hardly trust what you see or read from these rappers can you.. now on the next radio interview when asked about wayne specifically asked if it was a diss towards wayne he said it wasn't a diss towards anyone... and then he said it 'was a dis towards the over use of autotune and said that t-pain kayne and "even" weezy' was his quote then he said if it was taken as a diss to either t-pain or wayne so be it as long as it got "the game moving forward message across, they could be casualties"... like i said then t-pain took offense anyway and has also put out a dis verse over the beat... maybe this track could easily be misconstrued by someone without a mind for poetry... i don't want to argue anymore, no further response needed, and for the record i never added anything i mearly remarked on how this section and mark my words here, it will be updated eventually. Anyways, please don't ask me not to re-add something i never added in the first place. this is a talk page. isn't my putting it up here what this page is for, to talk out things that should or shouldn't be added. do you mind that we did that.IP98.150.65.177 (talk) 19:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Origins of nickname
The article asserts that his nickname, Jay-Z, derives in part from the JMZ subway line, which has a stop at Marcy Avenue. The citation is to his Allmusic biography, which does not make any reference to the subway line. And if in fact the subway has anything to do with his name, the relevant station to refer to would be the Myrtle Avenue stop, which is the closest JMZ station to the Marcy Houses. Does anyone have a better citation on this? Merkinmuffly (talk) 16:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

possibly the EJZ line which goes to jfk and itsa ticket out of the city metephoricly. 198.151.130.71 (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Turns out the subway was built AFTER he left high school. Source: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-12-15/news/17942652_1_subway-lines-digital-age-student — Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.107.197.220 (talk) 20:54, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Jay-Z Age?
Why does it say 1973? That would make him a year younger than Biggie which is absurd. He was born in 1969. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.124.206.153 (talk) 03:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Date has been changed to 1970 per source. If you provide a reliable source that says 1969, feel free to edit. SE   KinG . User page.  Talk. 05:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Nas won the Hot 97 contest not Jay-Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDDbEJAEIg

Jay-Z nearly crying after he lost to NaS. It's proof man...

Trevor 24.91.125.16 (talk) 07:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Years active
Years active should be changed to at least 1994 because he appeared on Big Daddy Kane's album that year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.216.183.206 (talk) 00:13, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

The Game Fued Still Going
The Game did Freestyle at a live concert in Spain where he got the crowd to chant "Fuck you Jigga You old ass nigga" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDe0cMmG2Os

and he released the song I'm So Wavy where he diss Beyonce, Amber Rose, & Jay-z

considering 'Relationship with Rihanna' to be added to article
Rihanna is Jay-Z's protege and means more to him than any other artist he produced. I think information should be gathered about the beginning of their relationship, 'til now; her as his protege. What are ya'll thoughts? Forever Kenny (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC). That is not the only fued Jay-Z has to clear up, but there is one with R. Kelly that needs to stop and Jay-Z is not making many friends as of late by dissing people on his tracks with the lack of respect.

The Blueprint 3 section
Can someone please make a stand alone Blueprint 3 segment in the music career section instead of grouping it with the Glastonbury segment. The album is more than confirmed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.251.35.52 (talk) 03:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Marriage to Beyonce
Jay-Z and Beyonce got married lately. I think that there should be a spouse section in each of their background information box.

Hallie S.

116.227.133.129 (talk) 03:15, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you for the tip :-).--Commander Keane (talk) 04:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, my change got reverted per the discussion previosuly. So it is not possible to include a spouse for a musician. Why actors have it I don't know :P. Template talk:Infobox musical artist is the place to discuss whether or into a spouse should be in the infobox.--Commander Keane (talk) 07:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

DOB
JAY-Z IS 40 THIS DEC, WHY IS HIS DOB WRONG? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.89.102 (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Jay-Z Tours????
shouldn't there be a section on his tours??? because i know he's done alot of tours. and he has an upcoming fall tour. 67.181.180.193 (talk) 03:25, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * a tour section has been added. Drivera28 (talk) 23:46, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

11th album
Jay Z has 11 number one albums not 9 which is stated in the article. Those 11 number one albums beat Elvis Presleys record. It should be added to this article. Heres proof

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/accesshollywood/090917/entertainment/jay_z_beats_elvis_for_no_1_albums_record

http://www.billboard.com/column/chartbeat/chart-beat-thursday-jay-z-the-beatles-glee-1004013732.story

http://www.accesshollywood.com/jay-z-beats-elvis-for-no-1-albums-record_article_23080

http://thecelebritycafe.com/features/33646.html

http://www.sohh.com/2009/09/jay-z_asks_fans_to_give_k.html

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jay-z-beats-elvis-for-no-1-albums-record/28019

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/8/20090908/ten-jay-z-is-the-king-31c8aba.html A Star Is Here (talk) 09:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I dispute that. If we're counting studio albums, Reasonable Doubt peaked at number 23 on the Billboard 200, and and In My Lifetime, Vol. 1 reached number 3 on the Billboard 200 charts. If you have sources otherwise that state that both albums are number one, please post them and change the information shown. Taylor Karras (talk) 09:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_discography Heres proof from Wiki

Reasonable Doubt and In my lifetime did'nt go to number one but "Unfinished Business" and "Collision Course" did. A Star Is Here (talk) 22:24, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

- The introduction says that he has the most number one albums "as an artist." It should note that this record applies only to solo artists. The Beatles have more number one albums. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgillson (talk • contribs) 00:28, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Minor Edits
Since this is locked, I'll put this here and maybe others can add theirs too


 * DJ Premier has his own article, a link would be handy where he's mentioned in 1996-1997 block. Robbrooks —Preceding undated comment added 16:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC).

Please fix the spelling of "involved" in the 'Early Years' section.
In the sentence below under the 'Early Years' section, please change the spelling of "involved":

FROM: Jay-Z was also invovled in and won several battles with rapper LL Cool J in the early 90's as part of a plan to get a sought-after record deal.

TO: Jay-Z was also involved in and won several battles with rapper LL Cool J in the early 90's as part of a plan to get a sought-after record deal.

Ikiqi (talk) 17:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Confusing Grammar in a Sentence
In the Early Life section, this paragraph begins: "Originally from Marcy Houses housing project in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn in New York City,[1] Jay-Z was abandoned by his father and at 12 years old, he had shot his brother in the shoulder for stealing his jewelry."

The flow of this sentence does not feel right, and feels like a run-on. I would suggest: "Jay-Z is originally from Marcy Houses housing project in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn in New York City.[1] As a child, he was abandoned by his father and when he was 12 years old, Jay-Z shot his brother in the shoulder for stealing his jewelry."

Just my suggestion. Crazyoldben (talk) 21:24, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
I think the pictures used in revision 1 here are better than the ones used in revision A here. I prefer R1 because the alternative is in profile, and somewhat difficult to recognize. TK prefers RA because my prefered version is off low quality (see here). We could also possibly use images found on commons. Thoughts? Deserted Cities (talk) 02:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not the only reason. The other is that the image you suggested seems appropriate for the section it's currently in and a lead image needs to show the subject clearly and also be encyclopedic. Check out this edit by known vandal Rcool35, the lead image doesn't focus on the subject and it's a portrait image. This is my reason and a profile image isn't difficult to recognize, he has an easily recognizable face in my opinion. Taylor Karras (talk) 06:11, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * My prefered one shows the subject clearly; yours is missing half is face. The edit you linked to is much worse than mine; the subject is too far away and off-center.  Deserted Cities (talk) 06:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not an argument but a clarification. If half of his face is missing then there would only be one eye, two of his eyes are clearly visible therfore half of his face is not missing. Taylor Karras (talk) 06:56, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. Would you agree we need a better picture though?  I think both our preferred ones are less than ideal.  Deserted Cities (talk) 06:59, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree but I've searched on Flickr for Jay-Z pictures and most of them are blurry, don't show the subject well and are not of high quality. Plus a lot of them are CC-BY-NC-SA which means they're not allowed to be on Wikipedia because they have to be CC-BY-SA. This is currently the best we got. Taylor Karras (talk) 07:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yea I just did a quick search on flikr. I could only find copyrighted images we can't use here.  Deserted Cities (talk) 15:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

hi, check to this pictures. best regards, mika — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikamote (talk • contribs) 17:16, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Linkin Park
I noticed the page didn't have anything about Linkin Park. They've done some stuff together (Look it up on YouTube). Do you think we should add it?--69.24.166.19 (talk) 21:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Jay Z is turning 40 tomorrow
Jay Z's birthday is coming up. Gotta update the age. Sniper12890 (talk) 22:05, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, Template:Birth date and age updates it automatically with time. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 04:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Meaning of entrepreneur
This line, in the opening paragraph,

"He is one of the most financially successful hip hop artists and entrepreneurs in America,[2] having a net worth of over USD$150 million"

implys that he is one of the most financially successful entrepreneurs in America, I could probably list a couple hundred American entrepreneurs with net worth's north of 1 billion dollars, which makes Jay-Z's 150 million look pretty paltry. Recommend deleting the entrepreneur portion of the statement. (Pavelow235 (talk) 01:16, 5 January 2010 (UTC))

Jay Z is worth more than a meer 150 million. He's worth an estimated 525 million dollars. All sources (except this one) say so. I'd advise that this is looked into more thoroughly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XJanuary xx (talk • contribs) 19:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Prodigy and Summer Jam
It was mentioned that Prodigy was shown in pictures dressed as Michael Jackson. That information is wrong. Michael Jackson was actually AT the Summer Jam with Jay-Z introducing him during his set. The picture displayed of Prodigy was when he was dressed in his dance attire (leotards and such from dance school). 64.124.152.57 (talk) 17:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC) 3MAR10 64.124.152.57 (talk) 17:37, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Jay-Z arrest record not found, yet DMX's arrest record is all there....Hmmmmm
Nice how the wiki nazi's decided to just haphazardly throw in J's arrest with his Vol. 2 release... Yes the 2 may be connected, however I found it odd that DMX is worthy of his own "Arrest Record" section. Yes the simpleton answer is he has a longer record... ya think? This does not change the fact that what applies to one should apply to all.. or not???

Then in an absolute disservices to the millions coming to this click based forum on steroids...

Wiki don't even list the actual charges jay originally received. Nor is there any reference to what he cooped a plea for to receive the misdemeanor Conviction that he has. List his charges and convictions!

Furthermore if he sold drugs in NY, VA like he raps about then surly he had a juve record or something.... yet wiki will not go there. Yeah this is where I come for reliable information on a subject I'm researching..... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.243.58.194 (talk) 08:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you have the sources to back up your claim? Taylor Karras (talk &#124; contribs &#124; Rcool35) 01:23, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Aji135, 9 July 2010
editsemiprotected

Please change Nas's diss track from "stillmatic" to "ether" because stillmatic is the album that ether appeared on, not the actual track.

Thanks.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_vs._Nas_feud

Aji135 (talk) 13:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks. Salvio ( Let's talk 'bout it!) 14:11, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Please change the diss track back to "Stillmatic" -- Aj135 is wrong. After Jay-Z performed his Summer Jam version of Takeover, Nas released a song titled "Stillmatic" -- it was a freestyle over Rakim's Paid in Full. Here's a link to the song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gYPipNBcLs

After Nas released his freestyle in the Summer of 2001, Jay-Z released the full version of Takeover on The Blueprint in September 2001. In December 2001, Nas released his album Stillmatic, which included an intro called Stillmatic (same name as the freestyle) and Ether.

Even the Wiki page Aji135 links to tells you that he's wrong. That page states:

Jay-Z made the first public overtures toward a conflict at Hot 97's Summer Jam hip hop festival in 2001. Reciting the opening verse to the first single for his album The Blueprint, "Takeover", a diss to Nas and Mobb Deep, which ended with the line, "Ask Nas, he don't want it with Hov. No!"[8] Nas responded with an attack on Jay-Z during a radio freestyle over Eric B. & Rakim's "Paid in Full" beat, dissing most of the R.O.C. members — specifically Jay-Z, Freeway, Memphis Bleek, and Beanie Sigel. Initially, the freestyle was untitled but was it was later called "Stillmatic" (which also became the title of Nas' next album) or "H To The Omo" (a direct reference to Jay-Z's song "Izzo (H.O.V.A.)").[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z_vs._Nas_feud#Second_round_of_disses_and_fallout:_2001.E2.80.932002 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doremusj (talk • contribs) 06:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from Waluigi222, 1 August 2010
Jay z and beyonce married

Waluigi222 (talk) 17:33, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That's already mentioned in the article. Dabomb87 (talk) 18:44, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Moving sentences around to better represent Jay-z
Hey everyone, I wanted to bring up one thing about this article that could be improved on. In the 3rd paragraph in the top of the page in the intro, the first sentence states that "long with his financial and musical success, Jay-Z is known for quarreling with other artists in the rap..." While there is nothing wrong with this statement, I think you would agree with me that these past rivalries with other rappers are no longer as defining of Jay-Z as they once were. What I would recommend is moving this section to the end of the paragraph, and making "Long time friends and collaborators, Jay-z married American R&B superstar Beyoncé Knowles on April 4, 2008." the leading sentence for this paragraph. Clearly he is better known for and it is much more significant his relationship with Beyonce and his Billboard success in comparison to his Rap battles, although they are important as well. I think this edit makes a lot of sense and is overdue. Thomaszi (talk) 18:45, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Controversy
I think there should be a section on the controversy of the questioning of Jay-Z's involvement with the Masons. 68.55.4.236 (talk) 13:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah i agree, irrefutable evidence can be found here, http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1948 Seriously... quoting Aleister Crowley, giving masonic hand shakes, making a song called lucifer, and all seeing eye/pyramids? How much more proof do these coincidence theorists need? Kruger1191 (talk)

Linkin Park template??
Why in the world is there a Linkin Park template?? They've done an album together but still Jay-Z isn't and wasn't a part of LP. If it has to be there then R. Kelly (The Best of Both Worlds, Unfinished Business) and Kanye West (Watch the Throne) should also be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.72.153 (talk) 05:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

London & EMI
In an interview with Steve Forbes and Warren Buffett, Jay-Z says that only being in London for two months, while a friend was recording an album for EMI, prevented his being arrested. There's no mention thereof in the article, that I can see, of this seemingly important introduction to the recording industry and its impact on his life.Czrisher (talk) 20:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Label
Jay-Z isn't apart of Roc-a-fella or Def Jam anymore. He's just signed to his own label Roc Nation. Please change it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.137.15 (talk) 12:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

A rumoured kid?
Is it appropriate to include these information in the article? I only found this source, maybe anyone can find more: http://www.mediatakeout.com/2009/5338-hip_hop_weekly_jay_z_pays_child_support_to_his_secret_babys_mother.html 89.143.174.35 (talk) 09:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Beefs
In my opinion, with as many as he's had with other rappers, I think a section just about his diss records should be created. Or this is taken from Hammer's page to add under his 2010 music (2010-present: Watch the Throne), otherwise. Thank you, have a great day/night! 63.131.4.149 (talk) 23:29, 2 November 2010 (UTC) :

Since no one has updated it yet, and unless I log in as created account, if you want to know about the below matter, it's on Hammer's page:

Current releases (2010-present)
"Better Run Run" (2010)

MC Hammer promised to release a track responding to a rap by Jay-Z which attacked him, expected on October 31, 2010. On the “So Appalled” track, which features Swizz Beatz and RZA, Jay-Z spits a line which targets Hammer for his fall from grace in the 1990s, which left him in a financial disaster. On it Jay says: 'Hammer went broke so you know I'm more focused / I lost 30 mil' so I spent another 30 / 'Cause unlike Hammer 30 million can't hurt me'. Hammer addressed his displeasure about the diss on Twitter, claiming he will react to Jay-Z on Halloween.

Hammer recently released a sample of his "beef" with Jay-Z (aka 'Hell Boy') in a brief teaser trailer called "Better Run Run" by 'King Hammer'. At one point, it was uncertain if his reaction would be a film video, a music video or a combination of both. Regardless, he claimed he would show evidence that 'Jigga worships the devil'. It's possible that Jay-Z was offended by an analogy Hammer was conveying in an earlier interview in response to "D.O.A. (Death of Auto-Tune)" on AllHipHop.

On November 1st, Hammer's new video ("Better Run Run!") hit the web in retaliation to Jay-Z's September diss towards him. MC accuses Jigga of being in league (and in the studio) with Satan — and then Hammer defeats the devil and forces Jay to be baptized. Speaking on the video, Jacob O'Gara of Ethos Magazine wrote: "What’s more likely is that this feud is the last chapter in the tragic cautionary tale of MC Hammer, a tale that serves as a warning to all present and future kings of hip-hop. Keep your balance on the pedestal and wear the crown strong or you’ll have the Devil to pay." Some bloggers felt Hammer shouldn't have responded the way he did.

In an interview with BBC's DJ Semtex, Jay said he didn't mean the verses as a personal attack. "I didn't know that [Hammer's financial status] wasn't on the table for discussion!" he said. "I didn't know I was the first person ever to say that..." He continued, "When I say things, I think people believe me so much that they take it a different way — it's, like, not rap anymore at that point. I say some great things about him in the book I have coming out [Decoded] — that's wasn't a cheap plug," he laughed. "He's gonna be embarrassed, I said some really great things about him and people's perception of him. But it is what it is, he took it that wrong way, and I didn't know I said anything wrong!"

MC Hammer decided to bury the hatchet with Jay-Z since the falling-out. Hammer had claimed Jay-Z was an imposter and stole his "swagger", but according to AllHipHop.com, Jay-Z tried to calm the situation by claiming his lyrics in question had been misinterpreted and that he's actually a fan of the rap stalwart, having praised him in his latest book. Hammer came round and told the website: "As a responsible veteran of twenty-something years of this, I can't leave it out there with tensions. I am reading comments on both sides - it's not about that, I have seen all of that before. There is an opportunity to say at some point we should move onto the next thing. You know, Jay took his shot and I answered. Now let's move on".

63.131.4.149 (talk) 12:16, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

JAY-Z early years
Shawn Corey Carter, also known as Jay-Z is one of the biggest rapper in the media today. Jay-z has been through a lot of things in his life and overcome all obstacles that have stood in his way. Sean is one of hip-hop’s most financially successful artist and one of the biggest interposer’s in the United States. Jay-z is probably one of my favorite rapper. “He started off as a little known rapper from Marcy Projects in Brooklyn, New York” (Asado). No one there thought that young Shawn Carter would be as big as he is today. The project rapper always had his mind on getting to the top of his profession. According to Jay-Z’z official web site he was born December 4, 1969 this year he will turn forty years old. His father walked out on his family when he was twelve years old, and this really seemed to change Jay-z’s life in a few different ways some for the better and a few for the worse. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kcreed56 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Watch The Throne Error
In the 2010-Present section it says that 'Monster' will be featured on Watch The Throne, it is on Kanye West's new album My Dark Twisted Fantasy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.115.74.250 (talk) 05:37, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Lost +
I didn't find any mention (maybe I'm just blind !) of Jay-Z's collaboration with Coldplay the other way round : he was featured in a remix of their song "Lost! ", therefore renamed "Lost+ ". His appearance consisted in a piece of rap during the former musical bridge in the second half of the track. Jay-Z also supported Coldplay in some of their "VIVA tour" shows, I don't know how often, but he was definitely there on the 19th of September 2009 in Wembley Stadium, London. I'm not saying this page should go in so much detail, because it's certainly not a crucial point in his career... But should it be considered ? I wouldn't want to digress too much. Being the only thing I know of Jay-Z, for me it's a major fact, but I need someone with a wider overview to put things back to scale... Thanks !! RiverGirl (talk) 08:13, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Label
Jay-Z isn't apart of Def Jam. He is only signed to Roc Nation, thats it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shade7447 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC) I did not see any mention of the stabbing of Un Rivera in the early 2000's nor did I see any mention of Foxy Brown. Maybe I missed that. Is he a felon? Can he vote seeing he did stab Un Rivera. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.247.200 (talk) 00:49, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from 75.16.27.73, 29 November 2010
When it talks about him being behind nelly, t.i. and 50 cent in rap songs artists from billboard he was not behind nelly he was behind ludacris nelly was number 5

75.16.27.73 (talk) 23:28, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay. Would you please provide references so that support for that information can be provided? --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, "please change X to Y". What's X and what's Y? --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 00:28, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Since there's been no more detailed info or sources, I'm untranscluding this. IP can make another, more specific edit request if xe still wants to make a change.  Qwyrxian (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Religion
I think there should be a mention of his religious beliefs in his "personal life" section, and how he addresses the rumors that he is a "devil worshipper". Here are a couple sources, do you guys think it should be included?

http://www.rap-up.com/2010/01/13/angie-martinez-interviews-jay-z-young-jeezy-trey-songz/

http://allhiphop.com/stories/news/archive/2010/01/13/22095568.aspx
 * When one types illuminati into the search bar of Google, his name is the 5th most popular down the list. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDVW2xhWco, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-xVN0xERk , http://www.essence.com/entertainment/hot_topics/jay-z_addresses_illuminati_rumors.php , Kruger1191 (talk) 03:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Illumanati Involvement
It has been said that Jay-Z is involved in the Illumanati and he has also talked about it in his songs. This should be added into the main article. TTorres896 (talk) 22:58, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reliable sources proving this? -- Esa nchez (Talk 2 me or Sign here) 01:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Mainstream magazine, Essence, which is also owned by Time Inc., aimed primarily at Black Women, and has over 1m circulation, brings it up, http://www.essence.com/entertainment/hot_topics/jay-z_addresses_illuminati_rumors.php, there's also an interview which has garnered over 1million views in less that 1 year, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFDVW2xhWco . He's also helped make a track on Rick Ross' album named Free Mason, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon_Don_(album), "I Said I Was Amazing, Not That I'm A Mason..." Kruger1191 (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Add new external link
I want to add a new external link: thejayz.com. This is most interesting website what I found on the Web. It contains a lot of photo, video, wallpapers, lyrics, awards, filmography, interesting facts about Jay-Z. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FreeAmbient (talk • contribs) 12:16, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Jay Z was not in Wild Style
It's listed in his filmography, there is no way this is true. It should be taken off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.91.140.24 (talk) 01:55, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Indeed, see also . I have removed it. Regards, HaeB (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

awards & nominations
the awards and nominations page needs serious help.

1. the other artists' pages are easy to read

2. no pictures or overview

3. incomplete

For example: he won a sports emmy in 2011

Jay-Z Wins Sports Emmy Award For Super Bowl Performance —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.65.149 (talk) 08:51, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

addition to rapping techniques
In the section "rapping technique" it fails to mention lil wayne as a fellow rapper who writes his lyrics in his head. Wayne discusses this technique in his interview with Katie Couric. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEZJ33oKwm8

This should be added to the page because they are both hip hops elite and it shows a correlation between the technique and commercial success.

Nochoa1622 (talk) 11:27, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Please provide a better source, per WP:YOUTUBE we can't link to copyrighted youtube videos. C T J F 8 3  15:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

He has also did a song on the Carter iii with Lil wayne and it was called hey mr carter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.88.102.143 (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Jiggaman or Jigga Man
Where is the section that has Shawn's trademarks? AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 09:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer

Edit request from Dragon1234567890, 13 July 2011
Jay-Z is a bisexual man, as said by himself on "The Jay Leno Show "

Dragon1234567890 (talk) 18:35, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

A quick google shows basically no sources. Prove it. --FunkyDuffy (talk) 20:33, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jnorton7558 (talk) 00:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Jay-Z uses harassment and strong arm tactics to evict residents
As of September 8 2011 Jay-Z is currently embroiled in strong arm tactics aimed at evicting the residents of 603 North American Street condominium complex. The complex was purchased in 2009 by SCC North American Realty, LLC of which Shawn Carter otherwise known as Jay-Z is a partial owner. His lawyers have currently filed frivolous lawsuits at the tenants claiming they never paid rent even though his own lawyer have admitted to residents that they had received the payments and just not cashed the checks. Each tenant to leave thus far has also been sued by Jay-Z. They have engaged in releasing phone numbers to realty company's of residents claiming that the residents are leaving and forcing the remaining tenants to endure continued harassment by realtors, process servers, lawyers and even the buildings own management group.

Edit "Personal Life"
Both are expecting their FIRST child and the gender of their child is unknown (to the public at least). Therefore it would be best to change it from "Beyoncé revealed that she is pregnant with her first child and Jay-Z's second child. Her representative confirmed the news that night.They're expecting a girl." to "Beyoncé revealed that she is pregnant with her and Jay-Z's first child. Her representative confirmed the news that night. The gender of their child has not yet been revealed to the public." or something like that.

source 1 Jay-z's rep response to rumors: http://www.digitalspy.com/celebrity/news/a340768/jay-z-denies-ridiculous-shenelle-scott-secret-child-rumors.html

source 2 Beyonce interview: ( starts at the 4:00 mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHZKeTVlSV4 )

Rawtid (talk) 22:26, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed the part about it being a girl based on just reading the reference given there is no reliable proof in the source that they are having a girl. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 23:03, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The part saying it is Jay-Z's second child needs to be removed. That is contested and denied by Jay-Z. You can't tell people he has another child based on unfounded allegations.

Mygrsisgrnr (talk) 08:03, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Sorry missed that part the first time. --Jnorton7558 (talk) 14:47, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Additional Philanthropic Acts of Jay-Z
Along with contributing to the aid of families affected by the devastion Hurricane Katrina and Fighting the Global Water Shortage. In the past, Jay-Z has been known for also returning to his home of Marcy projects in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, to provide gifts to children throughout the neighborhood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahmelf (talk • contribs) 22:35, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

50 million albums is incorrect
If you read the source, it clearly states 50 million 'records', which is a combination of ww album sales and single sales. It's in one of the first paragraphs and is very inaccurate, people keep referring that he has 50 million albums sold and that's far from the truth, he has like 30-35 (still impressive). It bugs me to no end please someone correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.228.242.62 (talk) 08:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 March 2012
Please change footnote 50, which cites an obscure college newspaper article and replace it with something like the following: http://m.mtv.com/news/article.rbml?id=1570566

thank you.

74.106.18.187 (talk) 16:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Not done: The current source seems better. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 22:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Unbelievable. For such a well known public figure, who has had thousands of articles profiling his work, this is the citation you've chosen? It's a poorly written "article" by a no-name "author" in a publication read by nobody. To be perfectly honest, I'm starting to doubt your commitment to the Jay Z article. This is not a fight I'll be giving up anytime soon. The greatest rapper of our generation deserves better. Wikipedia deserves better. Have some pride in your work, Celestra. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.4.135.83 (talk) 02:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

pictures
hi,

please feel free to use this pictures for the Jay-Z Wiki:

best regards,

mika — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikamote (talk • contribs) 17:13, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Blueprint 2.1 needs to be added here
Blueprint 2.1 is not mentioned on this page.

In principle, it was a compilation album composed out of Blueprint 2 (so it can be added to the compilation list). However, it contained an original song too: "Excuse me miss again." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.24.37.120 (talk) 12:47, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 April 2012
Please add that Jay-z, for his single "history", has used a sample of "Une nuit nuit sur son épaule" from the French Artist Veronique Sanson. You can check this information on wikipedia france, on http://artists.letssingit.com/jay-z-jay-z-sampling-veronique-sanson-wbqgc/news/287941/1, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A9ronique_Sanson. Thank you.

Pubgi (talk) 05:19, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.Danger! High voltage! 23:49, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 May 2012
In the article, you state that Jay Z was involved with, and won several battles with LL Cool J. These claims of victory are coming from Jay Z fans and  former associates. Further more weather or not these battles ever took place has never been confirmed or denied by Jay or LL. To suggest that Jay won a battle that likely never even took place demonstrates a lack of objectivity. Byker31 (talk) 19:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The claim is sourced. hiphopdx.com may not be the best source, but it looks to pass WP:RS. As per your request, there is no one even denying the battles took place, I don't see a reason why the accuracy of the source shouldn't be believed. Can you provide anything more on why the the claim should not be believed? You also forgot to include linkin park in the associated acts section.He remade Linkin parks numb and did the Feature in that song.  Monty  845  04:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Bombardier Challenger 850 jet own by Jay-Z
This text edit should be includes:

The average price for the Bombardier Challenger 850 jet is $31.862 million. Rap artist Jay-Z owns one; a gift which he received from his wife, Beyonce, as a Father's Day gift. . --B767-500 (talk) 16:21, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Image text
I think the text under the second picture should be "Jay-Z (top) with a friend (bottom) in Trenton, New Jersey, circa 1988", not "Jay-Z (top) with a friend (left) in Trenton, New Jersey, circa 1988". That would be more clear -- Zauguin (talk) 09:11, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 September 2012
This Jigga Man and B gave to birth to a beautiful Lil'Mama Blue Ivory in 2012.

Im trynna prove to my brody, you can put anything on the "Net", any anyone will believe it. Purple Cows, Blue Horses, Mystic Rainbows; SaiCheese. 66.87.4.143 (talk) 15:04, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 19:40, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 September 2012
Jay Z was not born where you said he was. Jay Z was born in Owensville Mo and graduated from Owensville High with a 3.28 GPA, he lettered in track and field and was the captian of the soccer team. 173.22.153.211 (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed your request from hidden text mode so that it can be seen. Dru of Id (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Anyway, Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A boat   that can float!   (watch me float!)  06:16, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 November 2012
In the infobox where it saids birth date it shows his birth year is 1967 that is not correct because he was born in 1969 and it should be changed to 1969 because that was the year of his birth.

69.209.211.220 (talk) 05:47, 9 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done RudolfRed (talk) 05:56, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Strange Footnote
Please change footnote 50, which cites an obscure college newspaper article and replace it with something like the following: http://m.mtv.com/news/article.rbml?id=1570566.

Why cite to such an insignificant source when so many others are available? The integrity of any Wikipedia article only goes so far as its sources, and I think we can do better here.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.217.236.113 (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

88th Greatest
The lead section contains this text: "He is also ranked the 88th greatest artist of all time, according to Rolling Stone." That should be sourced; needs a citation. The source is here. I also suggest ending the sentence with: "[...], in 2004/2005." Source of that is the first page of their top 100, which states: "The resulting list of 100 artists, published in two issues of Rolling Stone in 2004 and 2005, and updated in 2011, [...]". --82.170.113.123 (talk) 10:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Done - thank you. I added the reference in this edit. I didn't put a date in the text in the lead, but the reference is dated 2011, because that's when it says it was updated, so a click on the reference link will show the date (without leaving the article). Begoon &thinsp; talk 12:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

grammar?
"He married American R&B singer Beyoncé Knowles on April 4, 2008.[13] They gave birth to a daughter named Blue Ivy Carter in January 2012. "

I'm not a native English speaker but this sounds weird to me. Is this form correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.206.97.69 (talk) 21:27, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Wrongly edited
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_Gotze

This page shows that Mario Gotze is a Manchester United player. But the truth is he is still with Borussia Dortmund. Please take a look at it. And also some days ago there was a section "2009-2012 in Borussia Dortmund" which is missing. Please do the needful as soon as possible.

Yours truly, A wikipedia fan :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.62.12.44 (talk) 15:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Rasmussen Reports Update - getting it horribly wrong in the 2012 USA Presidential Elections
I have just been on the Saul Rasmussen's Wikipedia page. It has not been updated with its most recent notorious history. The most comical things to take place in the 2012 USA Presidential Elections was how Rasmussen Reports, Gallup and all the right leaning polling organisations got their polling completely wrong. They all predicted a Mitt Romney landslide that unfortunately never took place. There is inconsistency in what we the public saw and what you are reporting on this page. Rasmussen claims to be an independent but his recent record from the last presidential cycles is screaming differently. Please do not re-write history. Why is the Wikipedia article missing this part of their history? Wikipedia normally puts everything, watts and all. Kindly update this page with the correct information. Rasmussen got things wrong, that should be updated on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.221.43.223 (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 February 2013
"Shawn Corey Knowles-Carter[1] (né Carter; born December 4, 1969),[2] better known by his stage name Jay-Z (sometimes stylized JAY Z),[3] is an American rapper, record producer, entrepreneur, and occasional actor."

Needs to be changed to

"Shawn Corey Carter[1] (né Carter; born December 4, 1969),[2] better known by his stage name Jay-Z (sometimes stylized JAY Z),[3] is an American rapper, record producer, entrepreneur, and occasional actor."

source: http://rocnation.com/jayz/

OfficialRocNation (talk) 19:38, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ - The reference used was unreliable. Teammm  $talk email$ 19:59, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Jay-Z 's real name, proposed edit back after it was taken out
Hi, Someone changed Jay-Z's name, His real name is actually Shawn Corey Knowles-Carter. Here is a link to the information for cite http://bossip.com/196040/jay-z-is-changing-his-name-to-mrs-shawn-knowles-carter/     But I am unable to change it myself. Someone has gone in and changed it (as it was there not even a week ago) after it was circulated on tumblr through a feminism social justice website that Jay-Z has been so progressive with changing his name to include Beyonce's maiden name as well, due to her family not having sons and wanting to keep the name alive. I think this should be included on the page, and I assume a very conservative man has seen the tumblr post, and gone in to remove this information that was once there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caitclark (talk • contribs) 19:29, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Yep, I can confirm this and will add another link that confirms both Jay-Z and his wife have changed their surnames to Knowles-Carter. Beyonce Knowles Name Change    "Jay-Z - whose real name is Shawn Carter - will now be known as Shawn Knowles-Carter, while Beyonce is to become Beyonce Knowles-Carter." is what the article states, so if someone can change it back, that would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.100.54.76 (talk) 08:51, 7 February 2013 (UTC)


 * ❌ — per above section. Hearsay issues, source not reliable. Teammm  $talk email$ 18:32, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 February 2013
The citations on this article are very sloppy and unprofessional. I'm speaking specifically about the cite to Sam Biddle's article from the Johns Hopkins college newspaper. Really? One of the most popular hip hop artists of all time and we can't find a more reputable source? It's a pungent whiff of rank amateurism in an otherwise decent article. Furthermore, why are you even citing to a news article for the lyrics of his song? Surely a direct citation would be more appropriate here.

Whichever way you slice it, it's a bad citation and I suggest it be deleted. Thanks very much.

107.4.135.83 (talk) 18:58, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
 * For any kind of interpretation of lyrics Wikipedia demands reference to a secondary source, per No original research. (Also, most lyrics sites on the web can't be cited because they're actually copyright violations.)  You're welcome to re-open this request with a suggestion of a superior source.  Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 12:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Suggested Edit
Currently the intro reads:

"Shawn Corey Carter (born December 4, 1969),[2] better known by his stage name Jay-Z (sometimes stylized JAY Z),[3] is an American rapper, record producer, entrepreneur, and occasional actor."

I recommend it be changed to:

"Shawn Corey Carter (born December 4, 1969),[2] better known by his stage name Jay-Z (sometimes stylized JAY Z),[3] is an American rapper, record producer, entrepreneur, occasional actor and ex-crack dealer."

Per CBS:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/19/jay-zs-past-includes-being-crack-dealer-stabbing-record-producer/

Any objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.31.51 (talk) 02:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, it wouldn't belong in the lead from the perspective of WP:NPOV, WP:UNDUE and WP:IMPARTIAL. You may be able to put it in the proper place in his biography but again it has to have an impartial tone and be in context, not just a random statement. Teammm  $talk email$ 03:20, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, I would use his interview as a better source. http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/Oprah-Interviews-Jay-Z-October-2009-Issue-of-O-Magazine/4 Teammm  $talk email$ 03:27, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Obviously it isn't "UNDUE" because he raps about it all the time. Apparently crack dealing was an important part of his life and that experience directly helped out his music career. Besides, the intro includes a bunch of crap that he isn't really known for like being an "entrepreneur." As of right now it sounds like a fluff piece written by his agent rather than an encyclopedia article.


 * In other words, there is no reason to bury something because it paints him in a poor light. We wouldn't do that for someone who wasn't rich and famous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.125.27.219 (talk) 16:43, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 April 2013
208.120.3.7 (talk) 23:31, 16 April 2013 (UTC) Can you please add that he went to I.S.318 Eugene De Hostos in Brooklyn New York for middle school. Thanks


 * Okay now explain why that is notable and provide a reliable source.  STATic  message me!  00:20, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Beats
JZ made most of his money from Beats. This article gives undue weight to his other achievements, impressive thought they are, but it is his reputation and establishment of the Beats brand that made him not just rich but super rich. If you actually read the Forbes articles already referenced this is very clear. -- 93.107.221.156 (talk) 01:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)