Talk:Jay Chou/Archive 1

Comments from 2004
Great, somebody who knows info about Jay Chow! I was dissappointed when I couldn't find a WP entry for this celebrity so I created a stub page for him; even though I know very little. --Comrade-HW 01:53, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * u can find a lot of info by the external links. including his diary (in English)! ;) u r his fan? ;) --Yacht 04:36, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm not a big fan, but yes, I like his music. --Comrade-HW 07:48, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
 * I thought his surname was Zhou, in SI. But oh well. I have even spoken to people from East-Asia over Skype and they all refer to him as Jay Zhou. --Scotteh 10:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Heavy dislike for Profile section
It honestly appears to me that someone decided to copy/paste the profile from another site (or compiled from many sites). I have doubts that some of the information is authentic. Also, does anyone really care that much about Jay (don't get me wrong, I love Jay) to want to know about what he collects? Surely, it is a "contribution", but to have a "contribution" based on a simple copy/paste command and a search query in Google just doesn't seem right. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Stevay (talk &bull; contribs) 20:04, 20 November 2004 (UTC)


 * Cripes, this article is a bit... uhrm, in requirement of cleaning up. I agree that the Profile page needs to be removed, due to Wikipedia's frowning upon copy/pasting (and also I don't really think we need to know Chou's favourite food is fried chicken); I also find the "Jay's mama doesn't like him dating Patty" thing a bit awkward. Anyway then, fixing up this article. -Grumpyhan 16:19, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Patty Hou
Did Jay really "break up" with Patty Hou on Feb. 21? I somehow have my doubts due to the fact that jay-chou.net keeps adding more and more news about their relationship. Stevay 01:38, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Chou or Chow?
What exactly is the official surname? Both versions are scattered around the article and I'm not sure if I want to edit it as I'm unsure which is correct. --Grumpyhan 06:13, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I personally think it's "Chou". Most people pronounce it the same way "Chow" is pronounced, as if it were Cantonese. A lot of places use "Chou" though, as it is the proper Wade-Giles romanization (which is used in Taiwan). Stevay 00:49, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * i think it's "Chou" as well. And i think the article should be moved to "Jay Chou". --Plastictv 04:09, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not actually pronounced as "Chow", at least not in Mandarin. I'd prefer if the Wade-Giles system were to be abandoned. I prefer Zhou. Illusionz 02 Aug 2005 (UTC)

In Hanyu Pinyin, it should be Zhou, but since (I don't know why) Tawainese pinyin is a bit different and uses "ch" for "zh" sounds, and Jay's Taiwanese, I reckon the official spelling should be "Chou." Chow can be ignored; it seems to be just the screwed up English pinyin stuff. Haha =P

Shawn 01:07, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
 * "Chow" is the French romanization which dated back 400 years ago from the French missionaries, and is still used in Hong Kong (which also sounds similar to Cantonese). Jay Chou (Taiwan) is known as "Jay Chow" in Hong Kong. If anything, this romanization system dates back much older than Hanyu Pinyin or Wade Giles. I don't know how French romanization can be remotely close to "screwed up English pinyin stuff."--Ruthless4Life 08:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I already posted this somewhere else on the page:
 * I thought his surname was Zhou, in SI. But oh well. I have even spoken to people from East-Asia over Skype and they all refer to him as Jay Zhou. --Scotteh 10:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

In fact ,i'm a Chinese,Jay is one of of our courtry ,not Taiwanese, you know ,Taiwan is a part of China ,Jay also says he is a Chinese ,so in our language,it is pronounced as"Zhou jielun(周杰伦)and "周杰倫"is also OK, but in the mainland we do not write 周杰倫while the people in Taiwan province write 周杰倫,but 周杰倫and 周杰伦are the sameas people in taiwan province also speak and write Chinese as we do.my English is not well enough ,so can you understand me?If someone really likes Jay,add me please, my MSN is:Blue_icy_summer@hotmail.com. As i'm a Chinese, i can get the information of him quicker than you do.If you add me,i can tell you a lot of news of him ,and show you many pictures of him ,they are really cool!


 * I'm not going to start a Taiwan is independent thing here, but he is from TAIWAN, and uses TAIWANESE spelling, also, don't start insulting the sovereignty of one nation. I happen to be from Taiwan, and our cultures happen to be VERY different to Chinese cultures, so I find offense that you would spit on his heritage in favor of your narrow-minded views. It's the same if you go to the UK and Ireland, they are right next to one another, but have their own nuances ReshenKusaga (talk) 00:55, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I know this is a bit late, but you could use Zhou (since it's the Mandarin spelling of his last name), but he is known as Jay CHou. I've never heard of anyone spelling his name with a w. :) Weezcake 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Traditional Chinese name
Is the proper traditional Chinese name of Jay Chou 周傑倫 or 周杰倫? An anonymous editor had left a comment within the article stating that the latter was the correct name, which is not currently reflected within the article. Hall Monitor 16:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
 * it is 周杰倫. ([Alfa Bio]) --69.86.166.184 04:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thank you for providing a source for this information as well! Best regards, Hall Monitor 16:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * The first is traditional (Taiwan, Hong Kong), the latter is simplified (China).--Ruthless4Life 08:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It should remain 周杰倫 because that is how he is credited on his CDs and other marketing material. Cariel 19:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, 周杰倫 is traditional, not simplified. 周傑倫 is a completely different name. Just for clarification.eminemjamesuk 23:48, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I downloaded a song by him. It read "周杰伦". --Scotteh 10:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That is the simplified version of the name. -Arsonal 05:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * His name is officially Jay Chou 周杰倫


 * Zhou is not correct, because ROC uses Wade-Giles and NOT hanyu pinyin.
 * 周杰伦 is not correct, because ROC uses traditional chinese and NOT simplified chinese but...
 * 周傑倫 is not correct: even though 傑 = 杰, but Jay Chou is mixed traditional and simplified.
 * Because some traditional characters get simplified in common usage (other examples is 臺 -> 台 and 壹-> 一); this should not be confused with the government-induced simplification of PRC.


 * HOWEVER, some other musicians keep the traditional "jie" in their name (e.g. Sam Hui 許冠傑 and JJ Lin 林俊傑).


 * I am about 99% sure of the above information. Anyone can verify? Kareeser|Talk! 21:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S.: please make sure all his songs and album names are in traditional chinese. they were distributed from the ROC, not PRC. and please take the political discussions to another page.

Patty Hou
Currently Jay Chow is having a relationship with Patty Hou. Under Patty Hou's wiki it says "Patty Hou Pei Cen (侯佩岑; pinyin: Hóu Pèicén) is a former news anchor in Taiwan who is best known for her beauty and her relationship with Taiwanese R&B singer Jay Chou." I see why there is no reference to her on his website in turn? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.156.6.54 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

but we should admit that Jay also says " I'm Jay Chou from Taiwan Province of China" so those people who say Taiwan is independent should know the history of China firstly

Taiwan
Stevay, you have reverted my edits three times and I thought it wise to discuss on the talk page instead. By listing "China, Taiwan" it gives the impression that China and Taiwan are separate nations. Also, if just listed as "China", it would already include Hong Kong SAR, which is listed separately, then separately listing HK implies that it is not part of china, which is why I see the need to insert "mainland". The ROC Govt has, in its organisational structure, a Taiwan Province. The PRC Govt also has Taiwan Province as a province. Please see Taiwan Province. That Taiwan is a province of China is agreed by both the ROC and PRC, so saying "Taiwan, Province of China" it clarifies the situation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JSIN (talk • contribs) 09:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I was about to bring up Hong Kong. Look at the article of "Taiwan, Province of China". It doesn't even fit in the context of this article. Why are we talking politics in an article on Jay Chou? If you really wanted to talk politics or government in a Taiwanese artist's article, you might as well just go to A-Mei's article.


 * You are also in fact misconstruing the article of "Taiwan, Province of China". Okay, so the PRC and ROC agree that there is a Taiwan province in their organizational structure. However, there's still the entire controversy (dare I use that word) over whether Taiwan is an independent nation, and you cannot say "since they both have a province of Taiwan in their government, Taiwan is definitely a Chinese province". The "province of China" remark is NOT agreed upon by both the PRC and ROC; that is a complete fallacy because what "province of China" means to both is under a completely different context. The fact that there exists the Taiwan Province article is a bit odd, because that article itself is not well-written. Read the first line of the article. "...existing administrative division under the government of the Republic of China or the claimed 23rd province of the People's Republic of China." We have two completely different contexts for this "province".


 * We want to make the link to a Taiwan article fit in Jay Chou's context, i.e. geography. With the entire question of sovereignty for Taiwan, it would be more "neutral" if we had just used a geographical article than an article obviously ill-formed enough to let others derive "since Taiwan is a province in the ROC, and the PRC, it is therefore a province of China". Well, there's just one problem. Define "China". Also, consider the number of times the article Taiwan is linked to in Jay Chou's article already. Are we going to replace every single instance with Taiwan Province, and then manage to confuse or possibly offend all the potential readers of the article? You talked about being "neutral" earlier (albeit, using the fallacy that ambiguity implies neutrality); the fact that you cannot do it now is hypocritical.


 * And this is coming from a mainlander who believes that Taiwan is a province of the PRC. Stevay (Talk) 20:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I know that there are two different contexts for "Taiwan Province", and so without stating which context it is both factual and neutral. However, I will make a different edit to which I hope you will agree. JSIN 07:34, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think the new edit is fine, but that doesn't resolve the rest of the "Taiwans" in the article. However, I completely disagree about the misinformation of the context. That does not make it factual or neutral, it makes it misleading. Stevay (Talk) 19:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

I say we use Taiwan instead of "Republic of China". I honestly had no idea why anyone would use ROC, although apparently it's used by both sides. However, I (and probably most people) do know what Taiwan is. It'll make the article less confusing. We are not saying that Taiwan is a seperate nation, etc. Besides, if someone was from Puerto Rico, you'd say that they were from Puerto Rico, not the United States (since PR is a US territory). Weezcake 23:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Would "Taiwan [R.O.C.]" make everyone happy? The only trouble is when we get to sentences like, for example, "Jay Chou is a Taiwanese singer", do we say "Jay Chou is a Taiwanese [R.O.C.] singer"?. I don't want to involve myself in this edit war because I'm from neither Taiwan or Mainland China, so I take no sides, but this is just a suggestion. When we take this article for Feature Article nomination, the reviewers are not going to like edit wars, so it's best to deal with this now. SeleneFN 14:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This is an article about an artist, and he's not involved in politics in anyway, at least that I know of. Conventionally, Taiwan is the term that is more widely used than Republic of China, and even media and journals use the name Taiwan.  This topic has come up in a lot of places in Wikipedia.  Technically, Taiwan is a part of China, not necessarily the country, but of the culture, language, and heritage.  Jay Chou uses 中國風 to define some of his styles, but many would argue that he's not Chinese but Taiwanese.
 * I will not take a stance on this issue, but for the sake of the article, I think 'Taiwan' alone will suffice. If people wanted to know the difference between China, Taiwan, People's Republic of China, and the Republic of China, there are specific, very well-written pages in wikipedia that can explain that. LG-犬夜叉 21:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Exactly. We are not trying to do anything political, but the fact is that he is from a place called Taiwan.  This does not imply that it is part of China or an independent country (I could care less), but rather that he was born in Taiwan.  If someone wrote a page about me, it would say that I was from San Francisco, not the United States. Weezcake 22:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I too agree on using Taiwan. "Republic of China" is a cumbersome mouthful for this non-political article. We've waited for a week for arguments against using Taiwan. Seeing that there isn't any, I think we can decide to settle on using "Taiwan" instead of ROC from now on. Anyone with a spare bit of time should go change all the current uses of ROC to Taiwan. However, I do expect people will try to use ROC anyways... I guess we'll just have to be change it back whenever we see this happen. SeleneFN 21:25, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Personally I've NEVER heard of anyone using ROC for Taiwan until I started reading all these arguments for and against the Taiwan movement. Good call :) Weezcake 16:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Ye Qu is too small to be a stand-alone article. It needs to be merged here instead. ˑˑˑ 日 本 穣 Talk to Nihonjo  ε  20:44, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We have articles on songs. A song as popular as this one deserves an article. If this is to be merged with anything, it should be merged with the album November's Chopin, not the singers bio--Jiang 04:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I too agree that Ye Qu should be merged with November's Chopin album page. The album pages should be expanded anyways because it is short, and notes about individual songs would work nicely. At any rate, if you must leave Ye Qu in its own article, please write about it in Wikipedia style with more citations and references, commenting on its cultural impact, etc. If you cannot find anything written about it in news and editorials, it is likely because this song (however beautiful it may be) should not be on its own page. This song simply does not have as much of a cultural impact as other more serious works by Chou, such as "Dad, I'm Back".

The same applies for the page for "Hair Like Snow". Please refrain from describing the song as "very amazing and just great". The description about the music video sounds like someone's fanpage and can be written more succinctly. This should be merged with the "November's Chopin" CD page as well.

SeleneFN 00:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Julian Labrin?
This wiki contains: "his innovative usage of the famous classical pieces from the late composer Julian Labrin (1786)". I couldn't find any information on this composer and the link of this composer doesn't work. I wonder if there is such a composer at all...... Kw02 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)kw02Kw02 14:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Nope, he doesn't exist; might as well remove it. Stevay (Talk) 17:50, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

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The Album Section
hello all. Is it just me, or does the albums section section look messy? i have some ideas about "cleaning" the look of it up here...suggestions/ the go ahead to change it on the article? zeChinaman 03:16, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Jay Chou Main Pic
The Current Picture doesn't do justice to Jay Chou.

He looks like generic rapper with hat covering his face.

Maybe a mugshot of some sort would be more fitting.

Popularity overseas?
Quote: "He is also very popular among Overseas Chinese in the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and Canada."

Is there some source for this, I can't say I've ever heard of him (UK), nor have I seen any of his CD's in any music retailers.


 * I don't think I've ever seen his CD in stores either, but that's mainly because the American music scene isn't very fond of Asian singers. They don't do very well here.  But if you talk to ABCs (American Born Chinese) here, most of them know who he is and are familiar with his music.  I'm sure the British audiences are similar?  Weezcake 01:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

About Steven Spielberg
I have removed this sentence from the article: ''STEVEN SPIELBERG HAS DENIED THIS. PLEASE VERIFY INFORMATION BEFORE REPORTING IT.'' it seems that someone is quite upset about that. please rephrase this sentence and put it back. thanks. --User:Yacht (talk) 06:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC)