Talk:Jean-Baptiste Boisot

Request Edit A
Can someone remove the WP:COI tag? It looks like a cleanup has been done to comply with Wikipedia's content policies WP:WTRMT. Thanks! --Greg Henderson (talk) 21:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what kind of connection you have. However I see that you are the main editor of the article, having expanded it from a stub. There are a number of citation needed tags, and swathes of the article are not referenced. Did you write the article based on your own research, and if not, can you add the appropriate citations? Also, I have changed the tense in a number of places, but there's more to do. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your edits. I have remote connection through my mother's ancestry, which can traced back to the French Huguenots. Since Jean-Baptiste Boisot was born in 1638, the COI would very little if any. I am more interested in the person rather than my biological connection. I am able to work on this article and provide more citations, e.g. Cassell's Biographical Dictionary, which has a bio of Jean-Baptiste Boisot. A cousin of mine travelled to France and has documented information from the library Boisot he founded in Besançon. I think he is notabel because of the volume of work that he left to the library that covers literature and art. If you can remove the COI tag, that would be helpful so I can work on the article.--Greg Henderson (talk) 20:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greghenderson2006 Have you posted about this to WP:COIN? I find it hard to believe that this constitutes a COI. That would be the place to ask for clarification. -- asilvering (talk) 19:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, on second thought that's probably not the best place to go, since that's usually where people get dragged for making bad COI edits. Better would be WP:HELPDESK first, probably. It's strange that you're asking for others to remove the COI tag when you put it here yourself in the first place. There has to be some confusion here that you can just clear up. -- asilvering (talk) 19:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I did not put the COI tag on the article. It was added by on 7 July 2020‎, which technically bars me from making any edits unless they are through a Request Edit. I have done a lot of research on Jean-Baptiste Boisot and feel that I can make impartial edits, which is one reason to remove the COI tag. The other is the fact the talk page already has a COI tag. Thanks for your response. I will check out the WP:HELPDESK. --Greg Henderson (talk) 20:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi I believe this was the discussion on WP:COIN in 2020 when you were advised not to continue creating so many articles about your family members and to use the Edit Request feature rather than directly editing. I think there may have also been discussion about WP:SELFCITE. It seems the edit requests below are to independent sources rather than your self-published sources - I don't object to them being added to the article. Netherzone (talk) 20:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thank you for your clarification. Based on your comments I will add the request edit independent sources to the article. In terms of this Request Edit "A" to remove the COI tag, would you be willing to remove it since the talk page already has it?--Greg Henderson (talk) 22:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Netherzone: Now that I am looking more closely, I am concerned by the references from earlier edits, though. These are specific archival documents, but have been translated erratically, which suggests to me both that @Greghenderson2006 cannot read the original documents and that he has machine-translated an edition of them that has gone uncited. No one should be citing documents they can't read, and no one should be dumping machine translation anywhere, but this additionally has me thinking this is copyright violation obscured by translation software. @Greghenderson2006, can you comment on this, please? If you have digital copies of your sources, can you share them? If you can't, I think this may have to be blanked or WP:TNT'd outright. -- asilvering (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * My citations are from direct secondary sources, e.g. The Columbia History of Twentieth-century French Thought, page 294, bequeath his collection to the the library at Besançon. The plan was to improve the article by adding idependent sources from reliable and verifiable books and articles written about Jean-Baptiste Boisot. --Greg Henderson (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greghenderson2006 Here is a specific diff: . "Parliament Ladit city", "lesdit books", "medals Aussy well" - this is all material added by you, from what looks like a diplomatic edition that preserved 17th-century spellings, for example, "la dit cité" (the said city), "les dit" (the said books), and "aussi". Here is where you add the references for that part: . The given reference is "Municipal Library of Besançon, Manuscrit 1270". This is an archival document, not a secondary source. Where did you get the original text? -- asilvering (talk) 23:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thank you for your comments. I have added the primary source now from the memoirevive.besancon.fr website, which contains the digitized manuscript from the will of Father Jean-Baptiste Boisot, dated November 27, 1694; Published by M. H. Tivier. I hope this helps. --Greg Henderson (talk) 17:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greghenderson2006: Great, thank you! I assume that you didn't transcribe the French out of this though. How did you do the translation? (Also, to be clear... this is not his will, but a late 17th-century copy of his will. This is not published by Tivier; the Tivier edition was published in 1874 and is not in manuscript.) -- asilvering (talk) 18:27, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh. It's from the French Wikipedia entry. Well, that solves that. Don't know how I didn't think to check there first. @Greghenderson2006, as an assume-good-faith fyi, WP:MACHINE expresses that this is "worse than nothing". It's not just that machine translation garbles things (as it did here), but also that standards of sourcing and verifiability are different across different Wikipedias. I'm going to remove that part of the article for now. I'll look at translating it later, but I'm not sure it's all that useful to keep this block quote anyway. -- asilvering (talk) 01:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Request Edit B

 * Information to be added or removed: I would like to add several citations to support Jean-Baptiste Boisot's biography and contributions.
 * Explanation of issue:
 * References supporting change: Add the following citation:
 * (1) The Columbia History of Twentieth-century French Thought, page 294, bequeath his collection to the the library at Besançon.
 * (2) Unpublished letters to Father Jean-Baptiste Boisot: 1674-1693
 * (3) Cassell's Biographical Dictionary, page 250
 * (4) Mémoire vive, the digital heritage of Besançon, images for Jean-Baptiste Boisot

--Greg Henderson (talk) 17:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
 * @Greghenderson2006: Item 1 and 3 are fine. Please do not use item 2 unless you can provide a digital version for other editors to check. Item 4, please only use these if you can demonstrate that Wikipedia has the rights to use the images. -- asilvering (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi asilvering, I implemented 1 and 3. The other two need translations. --Greg Henderson (talk) 16:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)