Talk:Jean-Luc Marion

Saturated ideas (phenomenon)
I ask that someone with knowledge elaborate on "saturated ideas" in "Notable ideas" section so we know what the heck its talking about. TechsysPete (talk) 15:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. There is a short paragraph about the « idea » but it does not make it clearer. Notable for being obscure and empty but saturated with goobledygook, perhaps ? Caleb Crabb  09:36, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Might this be useful? It's from Shane Mackinlay's Interpreting Excess, from the introduction:


 * “A saturated phenomenon is one that cannot be wholly contained within concepts that can be grasped by our understanding. It gives so much in intuition that there is always an excess left over, which is beyond conceptualization. Thus, it is saturated with intuition. Marion’s elucidation of saturation as the limit-case and paradigm of phenomenality allows him to demonstrate that phenomena are given on their own terms and without any restriction, rather than being given within limits imposed upon them by a subject who somehow constitutes them. Although this idea of unrestrictedness has obvious consequences in the theological domain, it applies equally beyond this, opening the possibility that all phenomena might give themselves in a way that exceeds our capacity to grasp them and conceptualize them. It represents a significant innovation in approaching phenomena in general, and is a key element in what Marion calls his “phenomenology of givenness.”


 * (I apologize if there's a better way to do this, this is literally the first thing that I have ever edited on Wikipedia ever. I'll get better!)
 * MicheleCox360 (talk) 18:42, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Possibly dubious (concern apparently addressed)
"There is a widespread but possibly dubious designation of Jean-Luc Marion as a leading contributor to postmodern theology. » The 'possibly dubious' sounds like unsupported opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.175.182.94 (talk) 14:03, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * One important scholar, Victor Taylor, in the field of postmodernism has referred to this "dubious" nature of Marion as Postmodern: http://www.jcrt.org/archives/07.2/marion-taylor-intro.pdf
 * To my knowledge, Marion has never referred to himself or his work as postmodern. Instead, one should view Marion's fields of work to encompass what his published works accomplish.  He is a Descartes Scholar, Phenomenologist, and Theologian.
 * User talk:Philosophiachristi, 16:24, February, 16 2016

Proposed additions
I propose to add the following to the Jean-Luc_Marion section:
 * The primacy of givenness in phenomenology (Étant donné)
 * Beginning the phenomenological inquiry from excess of intuition rather than poverty of intuition (Étant donné)
 * A brief description of the saturated phenomenon (Introduction to Mystics: Presence and aporia)
 * The adonné

The overall structure of the biography page may not be robust enough for this -- so maybe this should be in a new page?

The French page, Jean-Luc_Marion, has a nice bibliography which I could rewrite with English titles.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ynappddhs (talk • contribs) 20:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Restructuring
I've looked at a few other continental philosophers to compare the structure of their biography pages, see my sandbox, User:Ynappddhs/sandbox. They seem to take a basic form of Biography, Philosophy/Thought, Bibliography. I propose to move the section on 'Notable Ideas' into it's own new section, Philosophy (or Thought, suggestions welcome since he is both philosopher and theologist). 'Intentionality of Love could be a subsection in that. I'll sandbox some other subsections I'm interested in adding, especially on the givenness and the saturated phenomenon. Ynappddhs (talk) 17:07, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

CSS in refs
There is a lot of styling going on in some of the &lt;ref> tags using &lt;span> elements. It's used inconsistently within the article and makes reading and editing in the edit template difficult. Anyone opposed to reverting that back to basic (unstyled) refs? Ynappddhs (talk) 09:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Standardising citations 1
I've copied the inline refs into a new References section, following roughly Chicago style. Updated some dead links and added years where needed. Wasn't sure if this should be classed as a minor edit so did not mark as such. Next step is to convert the notes into short citations to save on clutter and redundancy. This edit is not complete, please bear with me. Ynappddhs (talk) 23:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)


 * ...or it could be APA? It's late at night.Ynappddhs (talk) 00:13, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Standardising citations 2
I've marked up all the references using citation templates—read up a lot on when to do that and when not too—not many references in there to begin with and they were all of a different style. So full reference section with shortened references in the notes. Ynappddhs (talk) 00:09, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

New section: philosophy
I'm rewriting/replacing the intro to the 'notable ideas' section and renaming this to 'Philosophy' after having looked at a few other philosophers' bios. I've written a summary of Marion's philosophy of givenness which I hope will be deemed useful and readable. Ynappddhs (talk) 09:49, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

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