Talk:Jean-Luc Picard/Archive 1

Bilingualism
He is bilingual in English & French, n'est pas? --Menchi, 29 Jul 2003


 * Well, presumably, but then maybe France in the future has been taken over by the English, which explains his accent :) Adam Bishop 03:43, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * I cannot recall him speaking even a complete sentence in French, but Q often say things like, "Mon capitaine!". And Picard did sing that French song to those kids he was trapped with in the turbolift, "Frère Jacques", I think, a popular song even to the English speakers. --Menchi 04:03, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)


 * I can't recall that either, now that I think of it. Maybe the Universal Translator translated it for us :) I remember Data speaking French (in Time's Arrow, I think), but not Picard. Adam Bishop 05:13, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)


 * I am quite sure, that there is one episode where Picard speaks fluent French. I have all STNG-DVDs, I will have a look ;-) Fantasy 08:02, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)


 * One place to look is the episode with the binary number title in the first season. The Bynars create a woman, Minuet, in the holodeck to entice Picard and Riker. She speaks French to Picard and he is amazed by this. In another episode, Data remarks that French is an extinct language, but Riker cuts him off before saying anything further, and Picard looks vexed.


 * He only speaks a word of french though

Federation Standard is the language used by those in Starfleet.

I always presumed he was bilingual. As to his accent, we may argue he was educated at Oxbridge, and it rubbed off, or the translator matrix renders his cultured and educated French into cultured and educated English. (I've never been quite clear about how that works.) (Or we may all agree we're full of shat, but I don't expect that to happen...)  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * P is unquestionably bilingual: it's just that French is a rather archane language, not commonly used, in the late 24th century, as Data mentions in that Yar-she male combat episode (whose name escapes me! Code of Honor? Argh!).  Perhaps Picard was language-trained on the Chunnel, and Data in a porta-potty? ;) E Pluribus Anthony 16:18, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * P actually speaks quite a few lines in French with Mini. Actually, Picard cut Data off in that Yar/she-mail combat episode (I think) (something about French representing "civilisation") and R recommended D drop the matter.  All of this is obviated with the universal translator, though, but I presume it achieved a level of sophistication to translate a foreign language for a native user, etc. E Pluribus Anthony 18:27, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Yet again, you've raised an interesting issue. {Stop!  We're using enough space here now. ;)}  I recall J-L speaking Frech to her, too.  I had the sense the UT had gotten turned off; perhaps its default is "off" when the speaker replies in the same language?  (I do wonder why it failed to translate some common Klingon words; we may presume there is no English equivalent.)  I'd say Memory Alpha should be informed, too...  Trekphiler 19:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

speaking of klingon...some starfleet types will point out picards skill at speaking klingonese -Lordraydens 07:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

He also speaks Latin, an even more archane than French. He spoke Latin to Wesley when he (Wesley) came back to the Enterprise after the Acadamey 132.16.115.15 13:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

There's an episode of DS9(don't remember the title), where the entire Ferengi 'family'(that is, Quark-Nog-Rom) lands on 20th century Earth. Since their UT seems to be broken, nobody can understand them and they speak a language that should be 'Ferengi'. What we heard as english in the series was in fact ferengi all along. That would mean then that everyone, on DS9 or on the Enterprise, may speak the language he wants to speak since the UT is able to translate it into english for the audience. But then again, there is a paradox, since we hear sometimes other languages such as klingon, french, romulan(I assume Jolan True is romulan),... So if we say that Picard has been speaking french all along, what about the sentences we hear first in the episode with the Binars, then in the episode where he sings Frère Jacques...--Stormy Ordos 12:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's exactly this kind of uncertainty/inconsistency and subsequent desire to "fill in the gaps" that necessitates the use of published, secondary sources for this and every other article about fictional people, events, etc. --EEMeltonIV 14:05, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

His French is obviously accented when he uses it. He clearly pronounces the words to Frere Jacques wrong when he sings it to the kids in the turbolift - "Sonnez la matina" instead of "Sonnez les matines". Seems like he speaks the language, but it isn't his first and he's not totally fluent at it. Not that any of it really makes sense at all considering the UT so I suggest we stop worrying about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.114.91 (talk) 01:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * But most importantly, there hasn't been an explicit statement in any of the episodes which explicitly says "Picard speaks fluent French." Anything in a "published, secondary" source would be pure speculation on this matter which could very well be contradicted if Picard ever again appeared in Star Trek. Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 17:33, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

However, in TNG: "Chain of Command, Part II" he does prenounce "Yvette Gessard" with a typical french prenounciation rather than in an english manner. (Ivette Chessarr-d rather than Yvett Jessard) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.243.152.55 (talk) 15:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright... but can you point to a line of dialogue in an episode which even says "Picard speaks French? Or maybe to a behind-the-scenes featurette where Patrick Stewart says anything on this matter? Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 22:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

How about an explanation as to why Picard (and his family members) all speak with an English accent. Aside from the obvious laziness of ST writers, the idea that the French would speak with an English accent is about as likely as them professing the superiority of American food and wine. 219.131.222.40 (talk) 03:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It's even worse than that. In the 'Family' episode, there is a scene where the family (Jean-Luc, René, Robert and Marie) have some wine and say "salut" (where it's obvious they meant 'cheers')... the problem is that this word is NEVER used to propose a toast (it's "santé" or "tchin", in fact). It is a common custom to say "Salute" or "Salud" in Italy and Spain to toast an event, but I couldn't help laughing to myself when I imagined Star Trek writers actually thinking it was to be "something like that" in French without research of any kind ... --Stormy Ordos (talk) 01:23, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a good point. Still, we're talking about three centuries into the future. In a JAG episode this kind of mistake would be absolutely laughable. Here we're talking about a fictional future. Is it possible that French customs would change as France is absorbed first into the European Union, then United Earth and finally the Federation? Cromulent Kwyjibo (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You're absolutely right, I didn't think about that. It is a possibility, indeed. Nevertheless, I've noticed that there seems to be no change at all concerning the other Earth cultures (nothing that I've perceived as out of the ordinary, that is). --Stormy Ordos (talk) 10:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

As Captain and Locutus
The latest edit (as of the time when I post this) says "As captain of the Enterprise, he was captured and assimilated as Locutus by the Borg". As captain, then as Locutus? Is this the best that can be done? I'll try to fix it, but it's hard to choose the right words. Tjdw


 * I would say, you found them ;-) Fantasy 08:02, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * PS: Don't forget to sign with ~

Thanks. Tjdw 13:59, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Could someone upload a picture of locutus so we can make a locutus page?


 * We don't need a picture of Locutus to make a Locutus page. We could make the Locutus page and just upload the picture later. -Branddobbe 23:49, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * Well make the page then if you want to...--Timo 23:50, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * If this is a request that I make the page, I think you should find someone else. I haven't seen the Locutus episodes since they originally aired when I was a little kid. -Branddobbe 23:52, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * I would think that Locutus wouldn't really require a separate page, just a separate section within this article at most. ==Locutus==, and then the Locutus-specific stuff. Bryan 23:53, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * There is a link to a locutus page now though... --Timo 23:55, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC)


 * We also need to think about the movies with Enterprise E, ie, First Contact, Insurection and Nemesis.

Anon problem
Sigh.. some anon keeps changing the initial paragraph (and removing any indication that this is a fictional character), and adding a timeline of Picard's life in rather poor English... Can somebody do something about him? Ausir 15:12, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Bad EDit
Dunno who did it, but someone has but in a huge timeline (half of which I've already deleted), with loads of erroneous info. Five year missions? There was never any evidence of Picard doing five year missions, it wasnt mentioned anywhere in any episode. Do we even need the timeline anyway? Some of it has nothing to do with Picard himself.

Also, the films. Should they be there or in separate articleS?

--Tim 17:54, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
 * Edits by user 66.99.2.147 should be simply reverted as vandalism, as has been done in the past. Niteowlneils 18:08, 1 May 2004 (UTC)

Alternate timeline?
What is this -A stuff? Where do you see the timelines diverging? Is this some sort of perverted wish on your part that the 1701-D was never destroyed?

--- Deleted previous comment. I should learn to read. 193.167.132.66 12:47, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hair Color: Gray !?
Jean-Luc Picard doesn't have hair. How is it gray then? MessedRocker 22:20, May 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * He actually does have some hair; he's not completely bald. If you look at the pictue in the article, you'll see some hair behind his left ear. &mdash; Knowledge Seeker দ 23:26, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
 * In the Star Trek: New Frontier novels, Picard accuses Mackenzie Calhoun of splitting hairs. Calhoun replies that at least he still has hairs to split. &mdash; J I P | Talk 09:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

He has a small amount of white/gray hair in the back. Also He Used to have brown hair, Like in the following links, Picard at 11:

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Picard_teen.jpg

Him as an ensign... whith somthing through his heart.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Image:Jean-Luc_Picard_stabbed.jpg Captain Eric 22:20, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I remember an episode of TNG in which Picard appears getting his hair cut (what little of it he has) by the Bolian barber, Mot. I don't actually remember which episode it was though, maybe someone can enlighten us? John1701 00:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ensign Ro. Incidentally, the article includes a picture that clearly shows Picard's remaining hair. 82.95.254.249 11:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Birthday
I'm not entirely sure where I'm getting the info, but I had always believed Picard's Birthday was the 14th of July, not the 13th. The reasons I remember this is 1- It's the same as my own and 2- It's the french Bastille Day, which I'd thought was an 'added tie' to being French?

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty positive it is.


 * Close but – supposedly – the characters' birthdays were derived from the actors who portrayed them (and appear in some on-screen bios in "Conundrum"): thus, Patrick Stewart was born on 13 July (1940); thus, Liberté, égalité, fraternité! E Pluribus Anthony 08:56, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Merci beaucoup, mon ami. I had no idea.  (Check out a young Patrick in BBC-TV's "I, Claudius"....)  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * I have the complete set of "I, C" on VHS, and books too. :) E Pluribus Anthony 17:08, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * You got me beat. I've seen "I, C" 3-4x, & I've got the first book--never managed to read it....  --trekphiler, 16/11/05

Birthplace
Captain Picard WAS NOT born in Lesbos, Greece! He was born in La Barre, France. I don't know who keeps changing it back, but plase don;t.

Taken from startrek.com:

Place of birth: Labarre, France, Earth Tim 12:51, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

Events of "First Contact"
In the section about "First Contact," the Picard article states, "After defeating the Borg cube, a Borg sphere ship was released from that ship. This sphere created a temporal anomaly and went into Earth's past to try to assimilate the human race. Their plan to do this was to prevent first contact, a historic event in which Zefram Cochrane tested the first warp drive and in doing so made contact with another alien race for the first time. Due to Captain Picard's and the Enterprise's efforts, this was not allowed to happen. Earth was not assimilated and the Enterprise returned to the year 2374."

Actually, Earth was assimilated. After the Borg sphere left the 24th century but before the E-E did, Worf noticed that Earth's continents were all metallic-looking, and Data said the Earth's population consisted of 9 billion beings, all Borg. Call it an alternate timeline or whatever you want, but it appears that the Borg did travel back to the 21st century, prevent first contact with the Vulcans, and assimilate Earth. The Enterprise-E arrived in the 21st century at a point after the Borg arrived there but before they could carry out their plan and prevented those events from taking place.

Also, "After defeating the Borg cube, a Borg sphere ship was released from that ship" is a dangling or misplaced modifier -- it reads as if the Borg sphere ship defeated the Borg cube.


 * True: I think it is safe to say that Picard and co. averted one cataclysmic outcome, or facilitating a reality in which most future events in the Star Trek universe take place in. E Pluribus Anthony 06:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Court Martial
Not a criminal proceeding? It most certainly is. Non-criminal is a Court of Inquiry. While I admit I'm not conversant with RN law (upon which Starfleet's is presumably based), UCMJ calls a non-criminal inquiriy an Article 32 (as I recall, after years of "JAG"). That he was cleared in a court martial is not news. Recall, after WW2, an RN sub commander and former POW, Commander Rupert Lonsdale, was court martialed for surrendering his ship, Seal--and cleared. We may compare Picard's situation. --squadfifteen, 15/11/05


 * Makes sense to me: even 'idols' are human. :) E Pluribus Anthony 06:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Mabye it good looks good

Career
I altered the court martial section to remove "not criminal". I also altered "service aboard a space station" to "got a new ship". Given no wrongdoing or culpable error in the court martial, Picard would have gotten a new ship. (It is possible he would have gotten a JO slot, say 2d Lt or XO, aboard a bigger ship, such as a Constellation -class.) Starbase service seems ruled out, since he has commanded a ship 22 years, and "ST:  The Original Series" (...) established Starbase officers were not line qualified. --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * Again, nicely put. However, I would probably remove any speculation about him being assigned to command a ship comparable to the Stargazer: this may be reasonable to you and me, but if it can't be cited, it should probably be left out.  Who knows: perhaps he went on a looong horseback ride? :)  E Pluribus Anthony 06:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * lol That explains why he was so stiff: still saddle sore.  Seriously, though, I think a reference to him getting a new ship (deleted, I see) is appropriate, if not strictly necessary; as it is, it seems a bit bare.  I'd also say we have to ignore the recent book Valiant, which has him 2d Lt of Stargazer & LtCdr (as I recall); I always pictured him more junior then, and a LtCdr would have about 20yrs in service already.  More than that, a small scout like that would be commanded by a jaygee or Lt, not a full Captain (contrary to the book).  (I really do wish writers would do elementary research on organization before starting...)  On a side note, I would have liked to see a mention of the Stardate J-L got Enterprise.  (And I just saw "All Good Things..." a few days ago.  Ah, well.)  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * I hear ya; the piles have it. :) I applaud recent edits/discussions to enhance the article/text: I've tried (trying to edit so-so text rather than adding a plethora of new text), and have also added some images, but there's always room for improvement and need to step back somewhat.


 * As well, I don't disagree with the logical assumption that Picard was assigned to command a comparable ship: just cite a (canon-esque) source and we can include it. It's equally likely he took a sabbatical after Jack's death, sought treatment for his baldness, engaged in more 'horseplay', or developed some bigger piles. ;)


 * As for research: no argument here. :) Take care!  E Pluribus Anthony 07:35, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

OK, my bad. I was complaining about no Stardate for assumption of command. I hadn't read that far yet when I posted that.... --trekphiler, 16/11/05

One dumb question: is it canon Jack Crusher met Picard aboard Stargazer? My impression from fuzzy memory is he was one of the three Ensigns when the Nausicaans did shish kabob practise. --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * Nope: he, Ensigns Corey Zweller and (chic) Marty Batanides were the ménage à trois at Starbase Earhart. It is canon that Picard later met Jack (and Bev) while serving aboard the Stargazer and that J died in an away mission; P returned J-kabob to Bev for ... roasting (i.e., burial).  I wonder if J was ionised?  E Pluribus Anthony 09:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Merci again, mon ami. That whole episode was Nausicaating.  Old Picard was so dumb he couldn't divert his friend by being devious?  He learned nothing in 30-some years of ship command?  Old Picard might not have been so brash as Young (or Riker, or Kirk), but subtle he certainly was--and frankly, I don't believe he'd have ended up an elderly science officer.  He had an adventurous soul, crazy- brash kid or no.  (If you can't guess J-L was the main reason I watched "STNG", turn in your commbadge.)  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * I think that 'near-death' experiences like P's (and by this I mean visits to the river Styx, not tunnel vision) can and do have life-changing effects. I've so far had three of them (ask me privately), so I speak with some experience about Charon and the boat. ;)  And I would never turn in my commbadge.  E Pluribus Anthony 17:11, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't disagree. He's not only had a Nausicaating experience, he's since seen good friends turned to crispy critters.  Evidently I wasn't clear.  I meant to say, our J-L (as I presume he was, as transplanted by Q) should have been able to outwit a green cadet, & the writer couldn't figure it out.  Even after what he's seen, our J-L is still eager to be on the frontier:  adventurous soul, I submit, not dampened; Picard would not, could not, turn into "boring science guy".  Would he be youngest Captain in Fleet history to that time?  Not anymore.  Would he be Captain?  Oh, yeh.  Not to be would be death on him.  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * Hi! Perhaps bald P tried to re-enact events as much as possible (as the follicled P did) prior to his kebabing to see where things would lead: what they lead to (by him not getting stabbed) eventually/alternatively made him as much a (lowly) officer of ability as of circumstance.  And as Q was the intervenor, he might have done so with his perpetual fortitude in mind ... going out on a colloquial limb and charting new frontiers.  To employ another national motto: liberty or death!   Anyhow, that's it for me ... take care!  E Pluribus Anthony 20:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. "Minimum change" Picard is an intriguing notion.  My own bias in favor of the character is, I confess, too strong to give it fair treatment.  It occurs to me Ol' Baldy might feel bound by the Temporal Prime Directive (presuming it existed; given V/A Janeway {ex-Voyager?}, whose Captainess quoted it, I'm guessing it does), unable to change much before. And I'm back to defending him:  "BSG" Picard, by not becoming Captain, changes more, and Baldy's bound to recognize that--regardless the direct effect on his own life.  As I said, I'm too biased to be fair.  I wish I'd created Picard.  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * Given P's knowledge of Q's ability to mute time easily, and given the fact that he was 'dead,' I don't think P was too concerned about this. He was also assured by Q that his actions would not undo anything.  I'm just posing options: in all respects, P is a role model whose commbadge I would gladly trade with mine. ;)   Ta!  E Pluribus Anthony 23:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd forgotten Q promised. (Personally, I'm with Worf:  "Die.")  If J-L's whole objective is to avoid getting stabbed, I come back to my bias:  this shows a lack of moral courage that isn't true to him--which, I guess, was the point of the episode; I just can't believe he'd ever quail.  I wouldn't trade my commbadge; I'd follow him anywhere, and if I got turned into a crispy critter for following, it'd be worth it,  'cause it's sure to be interesting getting there.  --trekphiler, 17/11/05


 * I can believe P would opt for a different choice, and at the last minute too: the entire situation was somewhat illusory anyway; remember - he was 'dead'. Also, when he and red-head were attached telepathically (when they truly learn they have feelings for one another), Bev comments that (despite P's apparent rationalism), he sometimes makes arbitrary decisions.  And I would gladly follow P into a warp core, subspace inversion, or macroscopic digestive tract (with some reluctance) any day.  Speaking of which (as Q once said to Worf): eat any good books lately? :) E Pluribus Anthony 18:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Episodes
I don't recall a transporter accident being involved in turning Picard, Guinan, et al. young in "Rascals". (I do recall the stupid invasion of Ferengi, and juvenile jumping on the bed, which threw away a magnificent opportunity to examine character relationships and reactions to their Captain being turned into a teen...)

An aside, talking of age. I get the impression Trek characters age much as we do. I would have presumed, given 24h Century medical tech, Picard was over 100--yet McCoy's 137 was noted as unusual. --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * Yes: the youthful conversion to Picard, Kiki, et al. did take place. As for age, I'd imagine at that time the average age exceeds 100, but perhaps not much beyond that.  Remember: Picard is still bald in the 24th century.  Perhaps he likes that shiny look, and an aged McCoy that ... bifurcated look in his senescence. ;) E Pluribus Anthony 08:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * No argument it took place; I recall a shuttle and a temporal anomaly, not a transporter accident. I wasn't clear, I guess.


 * As for baldness, I'd guess it's genetic, and after the Eugenics Wars, probably tampering to fix it isn't on. Perhaps there was radiation exposure, or some exotic disease, that makes surgical fixes impossible.  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * Yeah, or maybe he just likes having perfect albedo. :) E Pluribus Anthony 09:17, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Works for me... --trekphiler

Okay, somebody made a mistake. (I'd bet it's my memory...) The Enterprise page calls her Constitution-class; I recall her Constellation -class (which would explain the "Galaxy" nonsense, by ignorant writers who don't know Connie was a ship...)  So? --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * Starship class in original series; Constitution class later and in TNG. I read somewhere that, in the ep where Picard is returned the Stargazer, La Forge originally said Constitution, but they dubbed in a new class name for that (markedly different) vessel.  E Pluribus Anthony 15:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I spotted that, too; the Miranda page, I think, referring to Stargazer (obviously not the same as NCC-1701, so requiring redubbing). I had the sense "Starship" class was more in the way of "battleship" or "cruiser" than a class name, which is what I was getting at.  (I confess I'd forgotten; I always think of 1701 as a Constitution.)  --trekphiler, 16/11/05


 * I think your battleship/Starship comparison may be valid. Also remember: the Stargazer is a Constellation class ship (dubbed by La Forge, who referred to it as Constitution), Reliant/kubla Khan in ST:II a Miranda class vessel. E Pluribus Anthony 22:58, 16 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Correction noted and logged. I was a bit groggy, I think.  Keeping things straight when the names are so capricious, & I couldn't, underlines why navies use naming systems, I think...  --trekphiler, 17/11/05


 * Re: Rascals - Pretty sure there was an anomaly in play, but also pretty sure they were down-aged due to the attempt to beam them off the shuttle (O'Brien notes a 40% (or so) drop in mass during the transport and that he may have lost one of the members) TheHYPO 22:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

re-added after bieng deleted
I just notied this page no longer includes a link to the Picard YTMND and Music Video's. I dont see why they were deleted i think the were excellent. I added them back i hope this is not a problem. They are under Picard in Web-Meida twords thew bottom of the page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.42.32 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 16 December 2005


 * Hello! I'm neither here nor there regarding this (someone else removed it); there is a plethora of media online, so I think some may argue that a case has to be demonstrated as to why this content/links is noteworthy.  However, I've made some editions and reorganised the appropriate sections.   I trust this is sufficient.  Thanks!  E Pluribus Anthony 22:21, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


 * They are entirely relivant! it is all about Picard in Pop Culture outside of strictly trek. I would just make it agin but then it would likley be deleted agian. I dont see why it should be...
 * NVM, it wasnt deleted, just moved to the bottom of the page, i diddnr see it. lol —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.237.42.32 (talk • contribs) 20:41, 16 December 2005

Spelling, oops, sorry!
I'm drafting a revision for Bowdoin College, which boasts Pickard Theater - my edits on "Jean-Luc Pickard" didn't even seem odd to me! Apologies.--TurabianNights 18:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No worries. Mistakes happen.  You are forgiven.  :-)  --  CALQL8 18:56, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Main character?
In the introduction, Picard is said to be 'the main character' of TNG. This is, as far as I'm concerned, totally incorrect. There is no protagonist of TNG. In fact, there is no protagonist in any Star Trek series. The crew of the Enterprise are the main characters of TNG, even if one or more characters are the focus of each episode.

I'm going to delete the sentence that says that Picard is the main character of TNG.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by FractaL (talk • contribs) 10:50, 4 August 2006

Captain Jean Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise!
Does anyone think there should be a reference to picard.ytmnd.com? It's quite prominent among the YTMND community and the internet as a whole. In the interest of completeness, I say we include a section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.148.166.5 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 23 August 2006


 * --What is YTMND? The page just goes to pictures of Captain Picard and some music plays.  I don't get it.  --Darth Borehd 17:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe... I only say that because I'm more familiar with picard.ytmnd.com than Star Trek in general (I didn't even know his name before seeing it on YTMND!). However, there's not really anything to say about it except for the pop reference itself, which I can only see fitting in a trivia section and trivia sections are discouraged. - Rocket000 22:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What about the song? What's that from? - Rocket000 22:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it should not be included. If you look at "Finding Forrester" on wikipedia you'll see that it makes reference to YTMND since that is what provided the inspiration for the site. The Picard Song on YTMND is just a successful fad, but it certainly wasn't very inspired. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.92.1.121 (talk) 03:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)