Talk:Jean Shafiroff

Deletion of RS-supported material
An editor has deleted RS-supported material, without good reason, here. To the effect that Jean Shafiroff graduated from Holy Trinity Diocesan High School in Hicksville, New York, in 1972. Please don't. Thanks. Epeefleche (talk) 02:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey Epeefleche, thanks for your help on this page. I agree with your revert, was moving a bit too fast, but I meant to come to Talk. I think that the Holy Trinity Diocesan High School Newsletter is WP:PRIMARY for souring and somewhat WP:QUESTIONABLE. The newsletter has her name on the list of donors, ("Jean Shafiroff (Jean Lutri) '72"). Maybe it'd be better with story about her from the newsletter, if that's not primary? I considered just replacing the source, but couldn't find a RS for support, so I removed it. Let me know what you think. Thanks again. Jppcap (talk) 00:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Jpp. Thanks -- the effort to delete this page was I think misplaced. There also remains a COI issue on the other side, sadly, as Jean's representative has tried to revise it so that it would reflect what Jean prefers to reflect. Anyway, as to this, I don't see a wp:primary problem for sourcing this element of text. We use primary sources all the time for straight-forward information such as this, that is not a "view" or a "characterization" or "interpretative." A primary source may be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge. Epeefleche (talk) 04:49, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Just getting back to this one, sorry! Per your reply -- Didn't look much into ver. hist. previous to editing, should've.


 * Edit -- Moved prev. edit to lede since it summarized the "Philanthropy" section of the article. Didn't think it was an issue. I didn't know where to put the Gotham Magazine info, so i included that also. Gotham may not summarize, but the first part of the sentence summarized imo. Let me know. Thanks Epeefleche. Jppcap (talk) 01:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * My edit was meant only to undue the move. Was there an add embedded in it that I missed? If so, assuming it is RS-supported, add it back to the philanthropy text in the body, is my suggestion. As far as the placement of what was moved to the lede, I thought it undue for the lede.  The lede summarizes what is in the body. Best. Epeefleche (talk) 01:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries Epeefleche. Thanks for your help. My edit added: "Shafiroff serves on many philanthropic boards in New York City and Southampton" to the lede. I thought it summarized the body spec., "Philanthropy". I didn't think it was undue. I added the Gotham as support, but probably unneeded as it's only mentioned once, sorry. Let me know if it was okay. Jppcap (talk) 01:35, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with that sentence, if you change many to a number of, and even indicate some. But you should leave the material in the body as well, as the lede is a summary of the material in the body. You don't need refs for material in the lede that is not controversial, if it is properly referenced in the body.  Best.Epeefleche (talk) 01:39, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agree with that. How's this? "Shafiroff serves on philanthropic boards in New York City and Southampton" (deleted any kind of number although). Thanks for your help Epeefleche. Jppcap (talk) 01:45, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Epeefleche (talk) 01:46, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again Epeefleche! Jppcap (talk) 01:48, 20 June 2014 (UTC)