Talk:Jeep Wrangler/Archive 1

JK Approach and Departure Angles
I've added a citation needed tag to that statement, since approach and departure angles are not determined or affected by wheelbase. The approach angle is the lowest angle from the bottom of the front tire to the first rigid vehicle mounted obstruction -- usually the front bumper, air valence, or similar. The same is true for departure angle on the rear of the vehicle. A stretch limo without a front clip (no front bumper or fenders) can have 90 degree approach angle despite having an absolutely huge wheelbase. Similarly an extremely short wheelbase vehicle, like a short wheelbase F1 car, still has a very low approach angle due to the bodywork extending well past the wheelbase. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.195.236 (talk) 16:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

JK Diesel
There's no mention of the UK version of the Wrangler, which is only available as a diesel. While the English version of Wikipedia is desirably English-centric, I don't think it should be US-centric. Can someone add some information on the different models available in the UK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.61 (talk) 04:49, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Picture
I have a 2006 Unlimited (not rubicon) and would be willing to provide a photo if anyone thinks this is necessary. JohnCub 13:49, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

TK or JK? or both?
I'm a little confused here - is the model to be introduced for 2007 the TK or the JK? The text says one, but the info box on the right says the other. --Badger151 20:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's JK

Kevin King?
I've removed the following piece of text: THe orignial jeep wrangler design was first concieved by Kevin King nearly 60 years ago. because I can't find any coroboration, though I admit that I haven't made an exhaustive search. If Mr King is actually connected to the jeep design, and a citation can be provided, then by all means, replace it. --Badger151 04:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt this, since the evolution of the wrangler from the early military jeeps is clearly evident.130.127.78.152 19:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Should there be a picture of the short wheelbase JK in the article somewhere? I think most of the other Wrangler incarnations have some kind of representation, but not the short wheelbase JK. Cmcischk 20:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Recalls
The 2007 Wrangler just had a recall for a software update on the stability control system. (I own one, and got the recall letter.) Software could cause wheel lockup and a crash.

The 2007 Wrangler has tilt-wheel and seat height adjustment, making this the first Wrangler suitable for long-legged people. --John Nagle 07:02, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

First picture
Isn't that kinda of whimpy picture? Small wheels... The first picture should be better looking...Hjorten 10:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a stock TJ… and it's a high quality image. --Sable232 15:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Waving
Nothing in here about how many wranler drivers wave to one another as they pass on the roads? It's not important info but I guess it's a pretty unique piece of info.

Added recalls
Noted that the JK Wrangler has now had two recalls this year, both for software fixes. See link to the recalls. The recalls are F50 and G25; F50 fixes a tendency of the stability control system to apply brakes inappropriately, and G25 supposedly fixes the widely reported "stalling problem", which is caused by the Totally Integrated Power Module (a fuse and relay box with a CANbus interface) rebooting. --John Nagle 16:54, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Updated for third recall to brake/stability system (G40). "The software...may allow a momentary delay in braking when coasting up a hill in certain conditions.  This could increase the vehicle's stopping distance and cause a crash without warning". --John Nagle 18:09, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Environmental Car
I looked into the claim that the wrangler was one of the most environmentally friendly cars out there, and there is this company called CNW Research that has a report that shows that the Wrangler is indeed listed as the #3 most "Energy Efficient" car they reviewed. so, boldly, i added a reference (i hope i did it right). http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveenergy/
 * —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Poposhka (talk • contribs). On 19:42, July 10, 2007.

-- I would be very wary about using them as a source. CNW is the only organization that uses this dust to dust cost to rate enviromental factors, and I'd sooner use the predominant view so as to be NPOV. The statement "much better than prius and other hybrids" sounds directly attacking and immature (or a vain attempt to defend the wrangler). Yes, batteries are terrible for the environment, but this CNW research doesn't include the 'dust to dust' environmental cost of gasoline for the 16 mpg wrangler, that is oil exploring, drilling, digging, shipping (including environmental damage of an oil spill weighted by their frequency), refining etc. This CNW is viscerally agenda bearing, and its lack of NPOV has no business being used as a wikipedia citation unless it also includes more predominate reports from consumer magazines that rank the wrangler as one of the worst vehicles for efficiency.
 * —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.248.137.179 (talk • contribs). On 23:46, August 8, 2007.

Dust to Dust is not about polution per se, it is about total energy cost which has an effect on polution. you clearly have not read the report and have anagenda that is anti-oil. That's cool but don't claim to be unbais and show yourself as closed minded in the same sentence. remember zooming in on a narrow segment of data is how Al Gore scamed the world out of millions.

Trivia section
I re-wrote the Trivia section because this article is not about a film, a TV series or a video game. By using the "popular culture" is more acceptible. I think.-- Vintei talk  17:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Deleted the whole "popular culture" section. None of the references were very notable; they were just minor appearances.  They weren't like The Love Bug or Herbie, where the vehicle was the star. (You'd think someone would have made a movie about a heroic Jeep, but apparently not.) --John Nagle (talk) 21:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

jeep j8
I've been surfing the web and it appers that jeep is making a new military vehicule based off of the jeep jk wrangler and they are calling it the j8. i don't know where info about it should be put so i am just mentioning it here.Chardrc 15:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Chardrc, Yep. And, fortunately, that's mentioned in here in the JK Wrangler Unlimited section, and an article has been started (Jeep J8) as well. - Thaimoss (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Windows and doors
I read somewhere that actual metal doors and glass windows are not standard items. Only canvas is standard. If that is true, then the Wranglers pictured on the page are not truly representative and might be construed as overly promotional. -69.150.130.166 (talk) 15:18, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, hard doors are a factory option. at least on current production vehicles. Visit any Jeep dealership. --John Nagle (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Jeep has always offered Wranglers with steel doors and glass windows. You can see "factory" pictures on the Jeep internet site. Perhaps you may be thinking of the early CJ models? They were available from the factory without any doors or windows ... and also came topless! — CZmarlin (talk) 19:21, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

1) The 2007 and 2008 wrangler and wrangler unlimited (4 door) come with full doors (glass windows). 2) The half doors, doors with canvas and plastic as the windows, are another story. First, on the majority of the pictures Jeep uses on its site and in TV commercials, the jeep wranglers are shown with half doors, even the 4 door models. On the site, you can "build your car", and interestingly, they offer the half door option. However, no dealerships that I searched for had the half door available, nor have I even seen another half door model on the road. Also, in the pictures, site, and video that jeep shows, the wranglers with the half doors always have their windows off. What's the deal with the doors? Someone who knows, please add this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmond4816 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Full doors are standard. Half doors are an option. Per the Jeep website. Canvas is the upper half of the half doors.  spryde |  talk  20:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Rubicon Details
I added details regarding the Rubicon trim package —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grinthock (talk • contribs) 22:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

mpg?
it doesn't say how many mpg it gets, I have one and I've been wondering 98.15.216.208 (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Which model? Current unlimteds are rated by the EPA at 15/19 if I remember correctly.  spryde |  talk  20:32, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1989 98.15.216.208 (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is a link to search by make - from 1985 to the current year: EPA ratings — I hope that helps! CZmarlin (talk) 18:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Classification
I'm concerned with the classification on Wikipedia of the Wrangler as a "mini-SUV". This hardly seems to make sense as the Wrangler is the original SUV and the one all others are based off of. It's considered the standard. The wrangler is almost exactly the original WWII jeep. Landrovers are based off it, the cherokee was a take on it and modern SUV's in general are descendents of vehicles based on either the wrangler or the cherokee. The classification for the Wrangler should be SUV with others being classed as perhaps oversized SUVs.
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.244.137 (talk • contribs) as of 22:36, October 14, 2008 (UTC)

how big of aplow can i put on my wrangler

Retro?
Ok, so how does this qualify as being categorized as Retro? It has been the same design the entire time. As opposed to the Camero & Mustang which were modernized over the decades and then returned to their 'original' design. --Trashbag (talk) 16:49, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

The TJ model used many styling cues from the CJ that the YJ dropped such as the round headlights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.34.196.40 (talk) 13:16, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Laredo?
I just purchased a 1990 Jeep Wrangler Laredo. I am surprised to not see any mention of that package in this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.251.97.2 (talk) 15:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Does anybody know if the head on the 4.0 inline 6 have to be removed to change the lifters?

Bryan Btaylor52 (talk) 00:39, 18 March 2010 (UTC) Yes the head has to be removed. The head can be modified while its off so that it would not have to be removed the next time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.34.196.40 (talk) 13:17, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Putting on taillight guards
I need help figuring out how to unplugg the wireing harness without removing the plastic underneath the body —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.156.127.248 (talk) 05:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


 * These talk pages are for improving the articles, rather than general questions about the subject. That said, if you Google "Jeep Wrangler Forum" you will find dedicated places where you can ask the qeustions like these and get a good answers.  This is what I do with my own vehicle (not a Jeep) and I have had great success keeping the old beast on the road.  Good luck!  Sea photo Talk  05:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

2006 Rubicon Unlimited Fuel Filter
Where is the fuel filter location? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.146.93.160 (talk) 19:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Change top photo
While the TJ photo in the top infobox complies with WP:CARPIX 1-4 & 6-9, The residential structure and street corner in the background are more distracting visually than other photos here (criteria 5). Additionally, current rag-top wrangler sport pictured near the bottom of the page is photographed from average head hight per criteria 10 while the TJ is photographed from waist hight obscuring the hood details. Proposed: replace http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jeep-Wrangler.jpg in the top infobox with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jeep_Wrangler_X_--_10-06-2010.jpg as it is a superior photo (also higher resolution original).--Rwberndt (talk) 14:56, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Disagree. The background in the second photo is more distracting and the car itself has reflections on the side and hood. IFCAR (talk) 18:23, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

e diagnostic plug
In what area of the jeep do i find the plug for a diagnostic test —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.41.169.143 (talk) 22:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

incorrect and misleading content
This is my first time editing any wiki and so if there are certain procedures, etiquettes, rules etc. that should be followed that I am not, please forgive. I own a jeep, I drive a jeep, and I fix my jeep. I am not a mechanic, but trust me I do know more about a 97 tj se then most mechanics do. So, in reading this, I found blatant errors in the tj section starting with the transmissions. Before my edit it claimed a 3-speed auto, and a 4-speed auto were available. Frankly, thats lame. Further, there are at least 5 manual transmissions used that I know of. The article before my edit lacked the ax5 and nv1500. I tried to edit the section under tj tranny's to show the 30RH, 32RH, 42RLE, ax5, ax15, nv1500, nv3550, and nsg370. If I missed one, or if there are pages for these tranny's I ask that someone more knowledgeable link them.

More over, There is a section that claims the skid plate was moved because of the Rubicons new 241OR x-fer case. From my reading's this was done because of the added 42RLE. I'm not claiming to be right, I'm just adding to cite or remove sources(I can't find official sources indicating either way).

Further, I wish to convey an interest and desire to expand the sections to include things like transfer cases and axles. While a sentence maybe suffice to declare the 30/35 are standard and the 44 are an hd option, I feel the gearing et al should be more heavily discussed, after all, this is about jeeps and jeeps are not about power, but about torque and gearing to get over the rocks, through the mud, or whatever gets in between you and grandma.

In counclusion, I am asking for oppnions, suggestions, etc. on my ideas, questions, and findings. thanks. 173.59.254.70 (talk) 08:05, 15 March 2011 (UTC) steve

Did 93 wranglers come with factory air?
Did Chrysler offer the 1993 Jeep Wrangler with factory air?Gunnrunner77 (talk) 03:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Wrangler Sahara?
Could add more info about the Wrangler Sahara Edition. They were in with the Islander and Rubicon... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.217.252.70 (talk) 18:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

2012
A legit article on the 2012 model: http://www.fourwheeler.com/roadtests/129_1108_2012_jeep_wrangler_jk_pentastar_v6/index.html --Dana60Cummins (talk) 19:58, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

"Trail Rated"
Does the little "Trail Rated" medallion on my 2006 Wrangler X have any meaning other than as marketing/branding hype? Sure sounds goofy. It's not mentioned anywhere in the article. Thanks. --Seduisant (talk) 23:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC)