Talk:Jeff Hardy/Archive 2

Week by week events
I guess some editors either want to be vandals or can't read. You are not supposed to add week by week events or future matches. When I remove them though these vandals just keep adding them back. Anybody else who wants to help out by removing them would be appreciated.  TJ   Spyke   04:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Somebody needs to put something down about him beat HHH at Armegeddon to earn a title shot at the Royal Rumble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.212.34 (talk) 21:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * *smacks head against desk* Gavyn Sykes (talk) 22:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with not adding future matches, but I do think that his victory over HHH should be noted, as it marks the first time he has been the #1 Contender for a World title in the WWE, as far as i know. (Sawyer (talk) 02:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC))


 * I agree that it's notable enough to be included. But he was once the number one contender and lost a ladder match for the title to Taker. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Yup, I remember. He lost the Undertaker match, when the WWE Championship was the WWE Undisputed Championship. In the UK, it was featured during RAW on a "Video from the Vault" recently, and Jim Ross says "Make Yourself Famous Jeff". Yep, I remember now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.171.129.72 (talk) 02:19, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I THINK SOME ONE NEEDS TO ADD TO HIS PAGE THAT HE DOES IN FACT HAVE A GIRLFRIEND AND HER NAME IS BETH.I.love.jeff (talk) 08:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Per WP:V and WP:BLP, such info would have to have a reliable source.  TJ   Spyke   08:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

ive got pics from his brothers myspaceI.love.jeff (talk) 08:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)Image:l_d6f0796ab45fceb159d3a5bc6415df70.jpg]]


 * That doesn't proof she's his girlfriend or that her name is Beth. It's not that I don't think we should add stuff like this, but it has to be solid proof (like Matt saying something like "Jeff is currently dating a woman named Beth").  TJ   Spyke   09:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)its not that hard to see that that is his girl just go to matt hardy's my space and the proof is in the pics just look for ur self if u wanna go there then go under my profile its i_live_through_him@hotmail.com and his profile is in my top 8 I.love.jeff (talk) 06:59, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It probably is his girfriend. Unless a reliable source says it is though, it would just be original research (see WP:OR).  TJ   Spyke   07:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

In regards to Jeff Hardy's Girlfriend, If you go to Matt's myspace page he has recently opened a blog up for questions, one of which was a fan asking if Jeff and Beth were ever going to get married_ Matt's answer was that he didn't know if they would ever have an official/traditional wedding but they were pretty much already married in their own way. Jeff and Beth have been together for at least 6 years that I know of (see msn group Jeff and Beths Babies- run by a friend of the Hardys) and also it's all over Matt's myspce that Jeff's girlfriends name is Beth- is Matt a reliable enough source?122.109.3.118 (talk) 10:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)chelle

Jeff Hardy's Dad's Name
I just thought I should bring it to someone's attention that Jeff and Matt's father's name is Claude Gilbert Hardy. They said it in the Hardy Show Season 4. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hbkcenarockaddict (talk • contribs) 21:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you provide a specific link?  TJ   Spyke   23:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)


 * On Matt's official MySpace this picture (and possibly others) bears the legend Claude for their father (http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=152686889&albumID=1462367&imageID=1285913) but I don't know how suitable a source this is. Tony2Times (talk) 00:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'd say that Matt and Jeff's words are a reliable source. They always call him "The Legend, Claude G." as in Claude Gilbert (Hardy). Ladder4321 (talk) 08:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Not following
I read the rules saying that week to week news is not allowed. I simply put that he has been feuding with randy orton for over 3 weeks now. That is hardly "news" or anything upcoming. This is something that the average reader should know. This is an encyclopedia which is used to inform people. Anyone who follows Jeff Hardy should know about this or they would be lost. Minutes after I posted, it was deleted. This is something that should be there. It's not like I put down that he was to face Randy Orton in the Royal Rumble (an upcoming fight). I simply put that he was currently feuding with him. Jeez... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Icehoc96 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Feuds aren't listed until they are over. And please sign your comments. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 19:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Thats dumb. Then why do we have articles on the Iraq War? That is is an ongoing feud just like I posted. The fact that he's feuding with Randy Orton is important. The average person would be lost with Jeff if they didn't know about his feud with Randy Orton.(talk) 15:24, 14 January 2008


 * There is a difference between the Iraq war and professional wrestling. Only notable information goes into pro wrestling articles and until a fued is over, how do we know if it has advanced or had a significant impact on someone's career or not? That is why we wait until the end of the fued. Plus, with all the info that's in Jeff's article I highly doubt "The average person would be lost with Jeff if they didn't know about his feud with Randy Orton". NiciVampireHeart (talk) 20:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

His Swanton Bomb dive from the TitanTron
I've read the rules and all concerning the no week-by-week synopsis mumbojumbo (which I find to be ridiculous concerning the fact that this is his first WWE Championship title shot), and I'm left wondering why the entry on his 25-30 foot dive from the TitanTron onto Randy Orton keeps getting deleted. It was clearly the largest Swanton Bomb he's ever done, and given light that this will probably be replayed in WWE broadcasts for quite some time to come, I think this should be included. It's certainly a notable event.Srosenow 98 (talk) 08:56, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Your very first sentence is wrong. This will NOT be his first WWE Championship match. Back in 2002 he faced The Undertaker in a Ladder match for the WWE Undisputed Championship. This was what led to Undertaker becoming a face again (he had been a heel) because he said he respected the effort Hardy gave in the match.  TJ   Spyke   09:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I certainly stand corrected, then. Srosenow 98 (talk) 10:28, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That being said I find the Titontron swanton extremely notable. I understand we like ot wait untila fued culminates before writing it, but how hard is it to write something like "Hardy is currently involved in a kayfabe feud with WWE Champion Randy Orton. They will meet for the WWE title at the RR. During the weeks prior to the match, Jeff Hardy hit a Swanton off the titontron scaffolding on orton" I mean, i think something like this is already quite notable.LessThanClippers (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The part about the RR match would be deleted right away (by me or other users).  TJ   Spyke   23:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * You should explain why, TJ. I'd do it, but then Srosenow 98 will just reject our consensus... so you try it. :D Cheers  ,  Lex    T / C    Guest Book    00:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. The consensus from WP:PW (the WikiProject that covers pro wrestling) is that future matches are not noted in articles (other than the PPV articles of coarse). This means that the WWE Championship match at the Royal Rumble can not be mentioned in articles until after the match happens.  TJ   Spyke   00:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying I'd totally reject the consensus, but I'm also one that believes that maybe Wikipedia should break away from trying to be "just another encyclopedia" and maybe trying something different, and definitely outside of the box (which Wikipedia seems to be against these days). And certainly get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy that goes on, especially in projects like WP:PW and the like. Me personally, I'm having a tough time believing that using the Swanton Bomb from a height of nearly 30 feet is hardly considered notable. I can almost bet the house and farm that WWE will be using this clip for years to come whenever any mention of Jeff Hardy is made. I literally sat stunned and at the edge of my seat until RAW went to black. I mean, he literally executed a move that spanned a height equivalent to the length of a full-size school bus standing on end, and that, I think, should be included in this article without having to wait this feud out. Hell, for all we know, this feud could last well into SummerSlam! Does that mean that if this feud culminates at SummerSlam, the entry should be included only then? I pray to think not.Srosenow 98 (talk) 07:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy vs Randy Orton
At the Royal Rumble Jeff will face Randy for the WWE Championship but Jeff and Orton have already did stuff to each other to fire each other up for their BIG match. Orton has brutally attack Matt back stage and Jeff has did the SWANTON BOMB!!! from 30 feet high a REALLY hurt Orton and hiself.


 * Yes, but feuds are not added until their completion. See the "Not following" section above. Also, please sign your comments. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 20:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

2008
Jeff Hardy faces Randy Orton on the January 14 episode of Raw. Randy Orton immediately gets disqualified with a low blow. A braw still continued. Randy attemptd to kick Jeff in the head, but Jeff found the strength to throw Randy of the stage. Jeff Hardy climbed nearly 30 feet and unleashed a swanton bomb on Randy Orton. Neither of the wrestlers were moving and were taken away by paramedics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parkhu12 (talk • contribs)


 * So?  TJ   Spyke   23:41, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * 1:Most of us know that if we are wrestling fans, and why would a non wrestling fan come to this page? they wouldnt. 2:Its no good here on a discussion page. 3:it will be in the article soon. and 4:Read the above comments.---The  Great  One   10:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Name
Theres no point in putting "Jeff" in quotes in his name, its not a nickname, its just jeffery in short, so im changing it, got a problem then say so. cheers.---The  Great  One   10:40, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * With articles on people who don't use their full name, most have the short version in quotes (Bill Clinton and Al Gore for example). He's always called Jeff, not Jeffrey.  TJ   Spyke   10:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy's In bad shape
I believe this should be added somewhere in the article. Jeff Hardy was interviewed this week by Charleston's The Post and Carrier newspaper. Hardy revealed that his body was in very bad shape. Below is what Hardy had to say:

"My ankles are really weak. A lot of that stems from motocross in the past. I've got a (bone) chip in my right kneecap now, pain in my elbows and two herniated discs in my neck and my back. I'm not feeling great, but I've been extremely lucky that I've gone this far without surgery. So I'll just keep knocking on metal or wood." Krauser93 (talk) 16:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


 * In fairness, wrestlers are in bad shape the whole time, always with some little niggle or some pain somewhere in their body - it's the life of a prowrestler. IMHO, I don't believe it should be added unless he actually has to take some time off to recover. NiciVampireHeart (talk) 16:46, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

The Legend Thriller
Ok, this is has been added and removed from the article a few times, so I thought I would post my opinion here. Personally, I think it should be left out of the article for a few more weeks, and then should be reconsidered if it has been used more. It has been used about twice post-Orton feud, and that is not enough to warrant inclusion IMO. JR might stop calling Jeff "the legend thriller" anytime soon, so we need to wait and see if it is going to become a permanent nickname. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 19:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, it isn't an "official" nickname by any means. Nikki 311 22:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

DVD
I was on Matt's MySpace and there is a new Hardy dvd called "Twist of Fate-The Matt and Jeff Hardy Story" someone needs to put it up --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 21:43, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


 * It's not being released for about 2/3 months. When it's out it'll be put up, and info will probably be taken from it as well. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 00:58, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Jeff's new intro music
Does anyone have any information pertaining to his new intro music and should that infor be uploaded to the article? - RVDDP2501 (talk) 02:55, 19 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes it should be added, no I have no info on it. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 03:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Nickname source
I see that the WWE's "Power 25" list was cited as a source for "The Rainbow-Haired Warrior" nickname, but the only issue with that is the fact the page is not static, and is updated.

However, I did find this information:

References Jeff as the "Rainbow-haired Warrior":

http://www.wwe.com/shows/royalrumble/matches/52676103211/results/

References Jeff as the "Legend Thriller":

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/jimross/sotwarchive/020108sotw

Hope that helps. Hazardous Matt (talk) 23:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I added them both. Thanks, ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 00:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

boston celtics
should we put on this page that jeff is celtics fan i have seen the pictures on the Peroxwhy?gen myspace almost everyone with jeff has him with a celtics top both home and away and ive seen him in one at a signing event with one on and some pics on matts myspace hashim with the boston shirt on —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.103.236 (talk) 01:49, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think so, I heard him saying somewhere that he has "a bunch of basketball jerseys of people I don't even know" --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 21:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Hair?
Why in every couple of matches Jeff changes his hair die? Sometimes it's ginger, red and then rainbow he's never consistent.

Ooops am I breaking the rules on Wikipedia not being a forum? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, see the top of the page. This is for discussing ways to improve the article, not for general discussion on Jeff.  TJ   Spyke   01:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What a S.W.A.T you are!!

OMEGA Heavyweight Championship
There is a discrepancy here. The title history in that Championship's article never lists Jeff (under any of his ring names) as having won that title. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I clicked on the citation listed in the article, and it links to a history for the OMEGA tag team championship. On the same site, there is a OMEGA Heavyweight history, and it shows he never won it. I'm going to remove it from the article, as it is incorrect. Good catch. Nikki 311 01:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up. :) Gavyn Sykes (talk) 01:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Debut
He didn't debut against 123 kid it was Scott Hall. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.212.34 (talk) 20:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Give a reliable source, and sign your comments please. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 20:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)


 * And a reliable source means it can't violate copyright laws (i.e. no YouTube videos of WWE content, since those are illegally being hosted).  TJ   Spyke   01:20, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Suspension
Hardy has been banned for 60 days reportedly this is legit apparently. I am slightly skeptical about this. While I'm in no doubt Hardy has been suspended I struggle to see it being legit. WWE is fake there is always a pre-determined winner so why in that case would you need to take drugs?

It sounds utterly untrue to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.51.181 (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, try checking wwe.com, it's real. Wrestling being real or fake has nothing to do with anything. A lot of non-athletes take steroids.  TJ   Spyke   20:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Jeff Hardy was my favorite wrestler.....YESTERDAY. He should be fired...Just like Chris Masters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.166.125.19 (talk) 23:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Jesus Christ, are you this thick? All wrestling is choreographed as well as pre-determined the pysichality is real for the sake of the art. Learn a little about the buisness —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. R.K.Z (talk • contribs)


 * No personal attacks. And it is real. You're not going to see Jeff Hardy for at least 60 days. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 20:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It may have not even been 'roids. I'd peg Hardy as more likely to smoke pot or something like that. He doesn't have the look of anyone that's ever used 'roids. And the suspension is real. All sources say so. The only kayfabe suspension I can ever recall them doing was Ashley's when she went on Survivor. Any suspension that specifies the Wellness Policy is real. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Does anyone know what he got suspended for? If it was pot then that is just hippocratic because Orton does that all the time and HHH is on Steroids too. Well does anyone know?--WillC (talk) 21:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That info was never released. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 21:05, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I just wonder why they would suspend their most pushed superstar.--WillC (talk) 21:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * wikipedia is not a forum. This really isn't the best place to discuss this. The info we have is that he violated the wellness policy, so that's what's in the article. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 21:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * He was not suspended for steroids. He was suspended for testing positive for opiates. Marijuana had nothing to do with it. I don't have a reliable source for it and don't care if it is put in the article or not and or whether you believe me or not, doesn't change the fact that he tested positive for opiates that were not prescribed to him from his doctor at the time of the failed test. That is what he failed for. There is no reliable source because the information is not suppose to be out there. It really doesn't matter how I know/found out/so called guessed/hypothesized/have knowledge for/whatever you want to call it. And for those who think it's bulls**t, that's cool, I don't care. And for those who agree and or believe this, then call it a relapse because that is pretty much what it was whether he was in pain or not at the time. Doesn't really seem justified to me, all he had to do was get the prescription. So in that case, relapse. Either way, i'm disappointed, as i'm sure all of his fans are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.229.206 (talk) 06:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Unless there is a statment from WWE or wwe.com, there is no proof he tested positive for opiates. It doesn't belong in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.62.126 (talk) 17:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't believe that anyone put it in the article. And if you read what I was saying, I wasn't trying to put that in the article. Discussion pages are only to help improve/expand an article. Not to come up with ideas on what someone failed a drug test for. So I was trying to put an end to it. There are rumors that it was Crystal Meth but it wasn't. It was opiates. Even if there was clear cut proof from wwe.com saying that he failed the test for opiates or even crystal meth, it should not be in the article. Jeff Hardy being suspended for 60 days due to his second violation of the WWE Wellness Policy is far good enough. So it really doesn't matter what he failed for and if we ever get a great sure 100% proof on what it was, it just doesn't matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.248.229.206 (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Everyone relax a little. There is no point in arguing about this as the likelihood of a reliable source for this type of controversial material is so close to zero, it doesn't actually exist. This makes this conversation rather redundant, so lets all just get on with improving wikipedia. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 21:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Extreme twist of fate
When was the last time he used the extreme twist of fate i.e. does it need a date. Bam123456789 (talk) 21:12, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

na i dont think so i saw him use one against shelton a few monthes back he use it when he stuffs up the normal twist of fate when they spin to far so i dont think so —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.130.25 (talk) 07:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I thought this was ocassionally done from a ladder but I don't know.

GA Review

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.


 * a (prose): b (MoS):




 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.


 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):




 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.


 * a (major aspects): b (focused):




 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.


 * Fair representation without bias:




 * 1) It is stable.


 * No edit wars etc.:




 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.


 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):




 * 1) Overall:


 * Pass/Fail:



Pass Ultra! 08:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Twist of Fate Stunner
Should it be noted in Jeff's finishing moves that he innovated the stunner variation of the Twist of Fate? Or is this not that notable to be added? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skilldog2 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Suspension Over
Can somebody edit this page so that it states he is no longer suspended, correct me if i'm wrong but May 9th was sixty days from when his suspension started. Thanks.89.100.221.196 (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)E-To-The-Izzo


 * That is in no way notable. King   iMat  thew   20  08  00:49, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Well i thought it was considering he's no longer suspended and on the page it says he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.221.196 (talk) 00:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I removed the bit at the very top about him currently being suspended. His suspension is up, even if we don't know what his current status is, he is a least no longer suspended. Herotastic (talk) 00:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Jeff hardy will be returning from his suspension in new mexico on June 20th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.203.255.125 (talk) 16:57, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for removing the bit about his current status —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.221.196 (talk) 22:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

he returned to raw on may 12th and defeated umaga in a match ordered by gm william regal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.242.62.217 (talk) 02:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Pics
i noticed a cople of pics that are really bad should they be removed as they are of shit qualtie KCDavis (talk) 21:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)


 * What photos are you referring to, specifically?  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   21:58, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

How about updating Jeffs pic with the IC belt as he is no longer the champion. Chris Jericho is. Also when you search WWE IC championship its the same pic. I just think it might confuse people. Jonathanmbarnes (talk) 04:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC) Jonathanmbarnes

extreme twist of fate
i know someone above me brought this up but i agree with them. Jeff hasn't used the extreme twist of fate in a while and should be dated. i dont know the exact dates so i'll let someone else change it if they agree with me and the others who posted before me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skilldog2 (talk • contribs) 21:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Similarly to this, does anyone know if it was this year or last when Jeff began using the Whisper in the Wind as a finisher, I'm not really sure, but "recently adopted as a finisher, formerly used as a signature move" would have to be changed soon enough anyway, I think it would be better to be dated rather than saying "recently" - Вla  zze  ee   12:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

First Supsension
The "bad fall" that Jeff claimed to be the reason for him missing 30 day's of action should be correctly noted as him being suspended for violation of the wellness policy. I know there was a lot of debate about the topic, but following his more recent suspension being for 60 days, this proves that Jeff had to have been suspended once before since his return to WWE. This was the only time that Jeff was off tv, and he was off for exactly 30 days, proving that the "time off for a bad fall in a match against Kennedy" was a lie made up to cover his suspension. So, it should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.209.68 (talk) 19:59, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay. We just need a reliable source that documents specifically that the reason he was taken off of TV for 30 days was because of the Wellness Policy. If that gets dug up, we can put that information in the article.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   20:23, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree with Hazardous Matt. Otherwise it's original research. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 12:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

SmackDown
Should we make a new section for his move to SmackDown due to the draft? --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 03:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at how the article has been broken down so far, I don't really thinkg it's necessary.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   13:29, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Hardys Preferred
In the Twist of Fate DVD I got two days ago for my birthday, Shawn Michaels said that The Hardys were the preferred jobbers. can't we put this at the beginning of the article? like "...The Hardys worked as jobbers, in which they were the preferred team..." or something like that, I'm probably just thinking out loud. --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 22:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't remember, but I didn't think I've ever seen WWE use the word jobber, to maintain kayfabe or something. But yeah, he did say something about how they were liked as jobbers and did a good job (SO MANY JOBBER PUNS!) with putting their jobbee over. --Kaizer13 (talk) 22:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

house fire
did his house burn down--The real rj (talk) 03:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)RJ--The real rj (talk) 03:47, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes it did and it is already mentioned in the article. –Cheers, L  A  X  12:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Will this affect his return date? 207.69.137.11 (talk) 21:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Possibly.  N i  m <font color:"black">i  T  i  z  e  22:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

They may keep him off the road for a while longer until they think he has his head straight after losing all his possessions and his pet dog Scruffy.Skitzo (talk) 13:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

and it sayed on matts myspace blog that jeff has been sick after his house burnt down from worry matt thinks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.100.128 (talk) 03:07, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Alright we all know that Jeff is suspended and his house burnt down, but this is about improving the article. My thoughts and prays are on Jeff Hardy. But please, improve the article if you can.  N i  m  i  T  i  z  e  21:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

On Jeff's last MySpace page (because his other profiles were hacked and he said if this page gets hacked, he is completely done with MySpace), myspace.com/the_real_high_flyer, he posted a blog with pretty harsh thoughts of his house and his fans. He said he and his girlfriend live in Raleigh, NC, with his brother Matt until they can build a new house in Cameron, NC. Check for yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snowydweather (talk • contribs) 00:19, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * To Skitzo his dog's name isn't Scruffy...It's Jack --L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 21:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

WWE Championship
Do you think that we should add that he beat the great khali to qualify for the championship scramble and was the interem wwe champion at unforgiven. then he won a fatal 4 way on smackdown to become the number 1 contender at no mercy. it just seems quite important.Mvpisthebest (talk) 14:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No. See WP:RECENTISM. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 14:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with mvpisthebest because i think that it is quite important to be the number 1 contender to the wwe championship. i at least think you should up to unforgiven because on brian kendricks page it says that he was the interim wwe champion. so why not on jeff hardys. well said mvpisthebest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.111.12 (talk) 14:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Which point are you referring to? Are you saying we should list that Jeff is currently the No. 1 Contender (which would go against the no week-by-week policy) or that he should be listed as an interim champion?  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   15:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that you could say he is interem champion due to that being said on the brian kendrick page. i just think it makes more sence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.17.111.12 (talk) 15:35, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * It may make sense, but is it notable? I haven't checked, but as far as I knew the "interim champion" was not actually a champion at all. If the interim reign is listed in the official WWE Title History then I suppose it can be added. If not, I don't know how notable it would be.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   15:44, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you put something like this "At unforgiven he participated in the championship scramble and he breifly became interem wwe champion twice however it does not count as an official rein" that would show that it is not official but he had an interem rein. It says something like that on brian kendricks page because i checked.Hardyzrulez (talk) 15:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you can find a reliable source stating he was an interim champion, that information can be reasonably added.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   15:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

This is from brian kendricks page "Kendrick failed to win the title at the event, though he did have a reign as "interim" champion, which is not officially recognized per the pre-match stipulation" so it says on brian kendricks page so why carn't it say on jeff hardys page.Hardyzrulez (talk) 16:05, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with that last statement because if you watched the ppv then when jeff won it says at the bottom of the screen "current wwe champion" so that is as reliable as you can get.Mvpisthebest (talk) 16:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Provide a reliable, documented source and that information can be added.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   16:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I have added it because I felt it needed it doing. have a look before deleating it.Hardyzrulez ([[User

talk:Hardyzrulez|talk]]) 16:49, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

why cant you do it because you it on the brian kendricks page ps you are nerds Hardyzrulez (talk) 18:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:ATTACK. PLease don't call people nerds. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 18:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, just because it's on Kendrick's page does not mean it's any more notable. That was something I was pondering myself; what's the notability of being "interim champion". Is it reflected anywhere in the WWE Championship history? And again, the information would need to be sourced, which is wasn't, it was only placed in front of an already existing source for another piece of information.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   18:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I am very sorry but you should do what i say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Hardyzrulez (talk) 18:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * IIRC, they do list the interim champs in the prose of the Unforgiven results articles on WWE.com. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I can check at work. However, unlike the Hardcore Battle Royal they were not made "official champions", so that's why I was questioning the legitimacy of the reign.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   18:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

If you go to www.com at this website address and read it carefully you will find the ansews http://www.wwe.com/shows/unforgiven/matches/7925052/results/Mvpisthebest (talk) 18:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I have just read it and i think that it is valid enough to be added to the page and with a bit of luck you finaly willHardyzrulez (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Okay, part of my hestiation on this addition is the notability of being "interim champion". See, Hardy didn't technically "win" anything. He didn't win the match, he didn't lose. He didn't walk away with anything notable. And again, does the official WWE Title History even recognize him as an "interim champion"?  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   18:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

No but on the unforgiven page on www.com it does state that jeff hardy was interem wwe champion and then brian kendrick had turns at taking at being the wwe champion. i think that a note stating this fact is neccesary.Hardyzrulez (talk) 20:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I for one agrees with that fact but is it realy that notable. I think you could at least say he competed in the championship scramble and gained 2 pinfalls during the match but was unable to walk out the official wwe champion.Mvpisthebest (talk) 20:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Right now nothing notable came of the match for Jeff Hardy. Or Brian Kendrick.  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   20:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think that it is notable that he competed in the match. Also jeff hardys page needs to be updated. Is his feud with mvp worth mentioning afterall they had a great match at summerslam.Hardyzrulez (talk) 20:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

MVP
The feud is over so it's not exactly week-by-week. I have no problem consenting to it's addition if there was something notable that occured. Other than bringing some real-life elements into the feud, what else happened?  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   16:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I do agree that the Jeff/MVP feud is notable to the careers of both men, but most others apparently don't. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * @ Matt nothing else really happened. @ Gavyn, I'm afraid I fall into the "most others" category. I don't see how it was notable; it wasn't for a championship, it wasn't even very long - a match at SummerSlam doesn't automatically mean it was notable. You can't list every minor feud a wrestler has - the article will become unreadable, and I fail to see how the MVP one was a major feud. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 16:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * They had two PPV matches and numerous promos that actually referenced real life (Hardy's house ifre and suspensions). I fail to see how it's not notable. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * What about if we mention this in the Personal Life section? Maybe a note that said "Some of these elements were used during a storyline fued with Professional Wrestler MVP." Anyone against that?  <font color="Yellow">Hazardous <font color="Yellow">Matt   17:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that for the record i agree with gavyn

it was notible due to the amount of promos used but obviosoly it is not going to be used so just go with the personal section thing.Mvpisthebest (talk) 19:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The Enigma
He's not been going by The Charismatic Enigma in WWE, just The enigma, Both JR and Triple H have called him The Enigma. It should be added to the list and the Charismatic Enigma should be un-bolded. (is that a word?, haha) 67.86.253.36 (talk) 14:34, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * On SmackDown a couple of weeks ago, he was referred to as Charismatic Enigma. TNA probably asked them not to use it or something, hence why it's been abbreviated to just enigma. I don't know. --Kaizer13 (talk) 16:54, 25 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think we should just put it to "The (Charismatic) Enigma" because that seems correct.--L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 00:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of nicknames, I say it is time to remove "The Legend Thriller". JR only called him that a couple of times during his feud with Orton, and he hasn't been called that since. IMO, nicknames should be limited to names used more than a couple of times. <font color="Teal">Nikki <font color="Salmon">311 22:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, WWE is still calling him "The Legend Thriller" - see here. ♥ Nici ♥ Vampire ♥ Heart ♥ 16:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC)