Talk:Jeffree Star/Archive 2

The whole trial is out of order!
Please excuse the quote. I couldn't think of a better way to title this section.

I'd like to start off by saying that I support anyone who lives the way they want to live. I emotionally, morally, and financially support the LBGT community and have little patience for people who wish to condemn pothers who don't share their beliefs. Does that make me some sort of saint or something, f@#k no. At the very least, I would hope that it would suggest that I'm not a member of some cabal that wishes to eradicate sinners from WP (even typing that makes me sick). My response is based solely on what I believe is best for this encyclopedia and nothing else. Anyone who suggests otherwise would have a hard time proving their case.

I won't lie and say that I've read every response that editors have left here, damning other editors who are, as far as I can tell, attempting to improve or protect the article. That being said, it's easy for me to see that and  have made all but one edit to this article that could even be considered constructive. Both of you have been quick to damn others and to call the actions of other "disgusting" while everyone else "stood aside while the machetes have flown".

Clue, you literally haven't made a single edit to this article. Not a single edit. You have done literally nothing to improve this article. Not a single thing. I hope your talk page edits have made you feel better about the situation because they haven't achieved anything else that might resemble improving this encyclopedia.

Insomesia, while you've attempted to be what some might consider the "other side" of the argument, you've literally made one single edit to this page that hasn't been exclusively to remove COI tags. One edit. One single edit. In that edit, from what I can tell, all that you did is remove sourced content, then came here to condemn others of being biased and blanking sourced content. You say, "I very much appreciate conscientious editing but do still think that some obliviousness to non-normative gender issues may also be a factor." and I appreciate that. Saying such shouldn't come lightly and I would hope that you would at least provide a diff as evidence of your accusation. To date, you haven't. Not a single time. Maybe you've done this because I threatened to nominate you for a topic ban. That wasn't constructive for me to do. I apologize. I shouldn't have done that. If it makes you feel any better, I admire that Steininger looked in the face of people who thought that the way he felt was wrong and basically said, eff them, I'm going to be the person I want to be. That's incredible to me.

and, I've seen both of you make several edits that have removed a large amount of content. Is the removal justified? Possibly. Perhaps when you remove large amounts of content, you can leave a note on the talk page with a diff that explains why you did what you did. Other editors haven't felt that your edit summaries are satisfactory. Also, there's not much left of the article now. Perhaps you can spend some time adding content with reliable sources. I feel that this would be a great way to show that you don't harbor some sort of bias towards the subject.

This may seem like a harsh response and maybe it is but I can't help but think that the both of you (Insomedia and Cluetrainwoowoo) are quick to condemn others when you basically have contributed nothing to this article. Are the other editors who are removing content correct? I'm not sure, but what I can be sure of is that you've been asked to point out what they shouldn't have removed and you haven't done so. Instead, you point your finger and declare shenanigans while doing nothing to constructively correct the situation.

I would never pretend to believe that there aren't people on WP who will do whatever it takes to wipe LBGT related articles from WP but is it possible that you're judging others without attempting to understand their feelings? If you wish to help, please be constructive and cite pertinent policies and guidelines. We're not here to be the punching bags that you very well may deserve. M oving forward, if any of you feel that something has been added or removed unjustly, providing a diff and an argument is the most constructive way to proceed. I would never pretend that I'm always right and if you feel that this comment has been unjust, please let me know on my talk page but I'm not sure that such a discussion would be appropriate to have here. My hope is that we can move on to make a great article and what kills me is that I truly believe that everyone here feels the same way. We just need to get on the same page.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  23:02, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of Mr. Star until this article came up on the COIN. I bare no malice towards him, nor the way he lives his life.  My only interest in this article is that it is bereft of cruft.  Wikipedia is not a place for promotion.   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 23:38, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I second this. Wikipedia is not a place for self-promotion. Devin (talk) 03:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * My record with regard to the LGBT community (to which I don't happen to belong), both in Wikimedia projects and in my personal life here in my home town, is beyond challenge. My concern for that community's rights has nothing to do with my determination to uphold our standards for all articles on all species of subjects, without fear or favor. I have tried to do so here. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  03:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I resent being told that I have made "several edits that have removed a large amount of content" and that "Other editors haven't felt that your edit summaries are satisfactory...  Perhaps you can spend some time adding content with reliable sources" when all of my edits have been quite careful and small, have been accompanied by detailed edit summaries, and of all the recent contributions to the article, only mine have added any significant new content. I have made 10 edits to the article. The first was here, followed by this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and finally, this. Please have a look at those edits, and note that not only have I left detailed edit summaries of my careful and minor edits, I have also added content that's accompanied by secondary refs, which I had to trawl through page after page of google to find. Note that I also didn't take part in the edit warring over tags. My "reward" for what I believed to be quietly constructive editing, is first to be accused by Insomesia that I'm part of a "tag team" that's hacking away at the article, then have Cluetrainwoowoo indirectly accuse me of shameful behaviour, and now the latest accusations (and why name me twice, OlYeller21?). FWIW, I am actually a member of the so-called LGBT "community", as well as the so-called Wikipedia "community", but events at this article reveal both of those constructions to be somewhat fallacious. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:03, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I suspect that I am the editor being referred to as cutting wide swafts from this article, not PCW. FWIW Insomesia has just been indeffed as a sockpuppet of a community banned editor.  I hope PCW realizes this section wasn't aimed at singling him out (because it was probably intended for me) and sticks around. I fully expect to see a new sock from the stork, but the only thing we can do is get back to editing.   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 12:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * LGR and PCW, I really just haven't been through your edits. I only looked at the cumulative byte difference.  I didn't mean to imply that you were just blanking content.  My intent was to show that others feel that you are and while they haven't explained why, perhaps we can meet half way?  Again, I apologize.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  17:14, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I took no offense at your comment. I'm perfectly fine with restoring content if it is done in a responsible manner (read following policy).  I think all editors here can agree the previous state of the article was a shamble full of SPS and name dropping.  Lets move forward the best we can.   little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 17:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not as upset about things as my comment above might seem - I was more irked than anything, partially at OlYeller for being a tad slapdash at directing comment, and partially at Insomesia and Cluetrain for (in my view) adopting a victim role and viewing anyone who isn't waving a rainbow flag as antagonists. I'm not ready to give up on Wikipedia just yet. As regards this particular article, I don't know whether it can be expanded and improved a very great deal as it's such an RS wasteland - on one collaboration of Star's, I went as far as page 10 of a google search result, trying in vain to find a secondary source. Gave up after that. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, PCW, I apologize. My intent was to attempt to represent the views of both sides.  I haven't seen you do anything that would constitute some sort of malpractice but at the same time, I haven't checked every single edit.  This should imply that you've done something wrong or at the very least, I didn't mean to imply that.  I simply wanted to attempt to bridge both sides of this argument.  While less that 24 hours have passed, Clue and Insomesia have yet to respond.  If they do not respond and make an argument as to why they feel it is OK to accuse others of rather heinous intents, I feel that it will not only be clear that their feelings have overcome their views regarding unbiased editing, but it will forever taint their views regarding subjects related to the LBGT community.  As I pointed out in my first post in this section, they have done almost nothing when it comes to improving Wikipedia but have only vaguely condemned the actions of others while presenting zero evidence.
 * Clue and Insomesia, this is your chance to show that editors participating here have some sort of bias, with evidence. If you do not respond and do not show evidence of your accusations, I will have no other option than to assume that your condemnations of others are not only unfounded, but prejudice in their own right.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  22:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Please, if you feel that others are attacking the LBGT community, this is the chance to prove that claim with something other than claims that are not accompanied by evidence.  Ol Yeller21 Talktome  22:37, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Insomesia will not be responding -- at least not with that account. He just got indeffed for being a sock of a community banned editor. I suspect we won't hear from Clue anytime soon as well. little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 22:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That explains a lot. the intent of this section was to spur a discussion that would either bring both sides to the same conclusion or show that those who are willing to condemn others have no grounds.  I'd be lying if I said that I didn't expect the latter to be the case.


 * If I offended any of you, again, I apologize. While it may not seem this way, this incident has been one of the more trying incidents in my several years of editing.  I wasn't about to leave this situation with two editors questioning the intent of other editors the way that Insomesia was.


 * I'll be keeping this article on my watchlist but I really have no interest in being involved discussions here unless I'm really needed. Again, I'm sorry if I offended you.  I only ever intended to do what I felt was best for Wikipedia.  Ol Yeller21  Talktome  00:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Oldyeller21, you were not the problem, you just instigated everything and tainted the entire issue as COI-problems. LGR is the one who hatcheted away while you and Pale were trying to look at what should be there. The approach was still flawed looking to delete rather than tell Star's story but I think you all were over zealous when that wasn't called for. And for my lack of jumping into the melee? Why would anyone? Cluetrainwoowoo (talk) 12:51, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 4 May 2012
Jeffree is a trans woman. The pronoun used to address her should be feminine (her/she) Lyric95 (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Lyric95 (talk) 23:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Wikipedia does follow an individual's stated gender pronoun preference (see Identity), but only if referenced and verifiable by a Reliable Source (RS) which quotes the individual. Social media outlets MySpace, Twitter, or YouTube are not sufficient. The references I checked said 'crossdresser', etc., but no sourced gender pronoun preference. Dru of Id (talk) 19:23, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The consensus among Jeffree's Facebook fans is that he should be referred to as "he", but they also use words normally used for females, like "beautiful" and "bitch" (usually meant affectionately). He might call himself "one of the girls", but I suspect that his gender identity is actually male.  He has said that he's more interested in breaking the barrier between man and woman than being one or the other.  Mcavic (talk) 21:15, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Jeffree Star has said in numerous interviews and appearances that he is explicitly *not* a trans woman, but rather identifies as a gay man (who occasionally sleeps with women).♥GlamRock♥ 18:27, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source stating this preference?  little green rosetta $central scrutinizer (talk)$ 19:02, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Or a source for the addition of Star having worked with Nicki Minaj? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:37, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Uhmm what happened to this wiki?
ALOT of stuff got deleted i see! what the hell why? btw he's also worked with Cash Cash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.183.170.83 (talk) 09:08, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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Lack of recent events.
I feel like there are quite a few events that have happened in Jeffree's life such as his cosmetics line adding Products, that are barely mentioned, that is significant in his life. This page and Jeffree's brand could improve and grow greatly with his more recent achievements and life events post June, 2015. Thanks! Jennasey Brechler (talk) 07:53, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Should a section be added on Star's feuds dealing with makeup company and Kat Von D?
Recently, Star has gotten into several feuds with make-up guru Kat Von D and also a customer regarding impurities in his makeup products. This information is important and adds to the article because it shows how his fans and reporters watch his private life mainly through his social media accounts. Twitter is one of the places where he is most active and has been gaining the most publicity in the past year, besides Youtube. Because Wiki does not allow for direct citation from his Twitter page, several articles written by reliable and verifiable reporters at certified gossip magazines such as People, TeenVogue, and 17 Magazine were used to make the edit. The feuds are notable because they are apart of who Jeffree Star is. They represent his character and personality. Also, they gained a lot of attention by fans and gossip columnists and were written about multiple times by a variety of reporters. Wiki looks for information that is reliable and notable, and wants sources that are verifiable. I have provided all of that within my citation. I also revised my edits twice to undo any bias I had towards either side of the feuds I wrote about, but it could probably still use some revising. I do not believe the section needs to be removed altogether, because Star has been in several more less notable feuds, some of which are current. Though they are not being recognized in the current moment by media and magazines, it is highly likely that this section could grow over the next couple of years with many more sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lay fay17 (talk • contribs) 08:03, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The advice given at WP:BRD is that after your addition has been reverted, you should discuss the matter on the article talkpage to reach consensus. You should not just make a statement and then revert again to your preferred version. Please restore the original text, as per WP:BRD. You do not have consensus for your addition. "Certified gossip magazines" are not reliable sources, and the fact that you describe them as such illustrates that this information is just gossip. This is an encyclopaedia, not a platform for describing incidents auch as how one customer complained about someone's product. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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A quick note
I believe the Shane Dawson series about Jeffree Star is covered by some reliable sources (check a Google News search). If anyone wants to add details from the documentary to the article, you could, however please cite to a reliable source. Abequinn14 (talk) 14:03, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Net Worth:
Upon Googling, I saw Wikipedia's article for Star and noted underneath was a net worth of $20M.

https://www.thecinemaholic.com/jeffree-star-net-worth/: $5M

Various other sources seem to cite the same $5M figure. I barely know how to add citations to an open page and this is semi-protected. My apologies, I just thought I'd throw a discussion up.
 * Is this a WP:BLPRS? Abequinn14 (talk) 22:06, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Controversies Section
It is a complete abuse of Wikipedia to see any references to Jeffree's past be eliminated. Upon providing a valid citation to a third party website, it gets dismissed as "opinionated", despite me only referring to the quotes in question and not the opinions of the editor. I find that to be an abuse by the editors of the page. There needs to be a request for moderator because this is ridiculous.

Celebrity figures have said far less controversial things, and all of their quotes are included in their wikipedia, for example Donald Trump. Wikipedia is a place for information, and you are abusing you power by eliminating any reference to his past - i.e. Oshwah and Jim1138.

( Zenomonoz Talk) 19:08, 13 August 2018 (PST)
 * The sources are opinion and commentary. They are not acceptable per wp:BLP. WP:ELP does not apply here. Find better sources. Jim1138 (talk) 07:24, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This article was ECP'd because of violations of BLP policy (partly because of the dispute). Abequinn14 (talk) 23:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

YouTube video
Latest Jeffrey Star YouTube video reveals that he lied about who his mother is. Turns out his 'mother', as she appears in social media, is in fact her Aunt Laurie Steininger. Star had not seen his mother in 10 years and after calling her in December last year he spoke to her. She has been homeless for the last 4 years and lived in her car. He has subsequently helped her financially and rekindled their relationship. See this video Star posted for more information. 13:05 for secret about mother. I don't think his self-harm history should be shared, although per WP:CENSOR, it would be required; the information may be triggering for others who self-harm and may sensationalise and the act which goes against the stipulations set out by the Canadian Psychiatric Association of how to appropriately report on mental health problems like suicide and the role media play. Waddie96 (talk) 20:45, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 August 2018
Current: Star was born in Orange County, California.[2] His father committed suicide when Star was 6 years old and he subsequently was raised solely by his mother, a model who frequently went on assignments. As a child, Star began regularly experimenting with his mother's makeup and convinced her to let him wear it to school when he was in junior high.[3] He moved to Los Angeles following his graduation from high school, supporting himself with various makeup, modeling, and music jobs.[4][5] He later recalled spending his time on weekends "using a fake ID to attend Hollywood clubs dressed in mini dresses and nine inch high heels, where celebrities would contract [Star] for makeup work at their homes".[6] Star reports that his weekend socializing at clubs and the makeup advice he offered eventually led to his modeling career.[6]

Change: Star was born in Orange County, California.[2] His father committed suicide when Star was 6 years old and he subsequently was raised mother, uncle(now deceased), and aunt. He considers his aunt, uncle's wife, a mother figure. Jeffree and his mother were not close, and up until early 2018, his estranged biological mother was homeless. A model who frequently went on assignments. As a child, Star began regularly experimenting with his mother's makeup and convinced her to let him wear it to school when he was in junior high.[3] He moved to Los Angeles following his graduation from high school, supporting himself with various makeup, modeling, and music jobs.[4][5] He later recalled spending his time on weekends "using a fake ID to attend Hollywood clubs dressed in mini dresses and nine inch high heels, where celebrities would contract [Star] for makeup work at their homes".[6] Star reports that his weekend socializing at clubs and the makeup advice he offered eventually led to his modeling career.[6]

ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0pjHZddQW0 Yinnette (talk) 04:32, 21 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Padlock-blue-open.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 18:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Modeling career
I recently wiped out the last remaining remnant of Jeffree Star the model with this edit. The statement Star reports that his weekend socializing at clubs and the makeup advice he offered eventually led to his modeling career. was not in any way supported by the dead MySpace page which it cited nor was there any other mention in the entire article about modeling, so I removed it. Looking at versions of this page from years ago, however, it appears Star did have a modeling career which was rather notable in his professional life. Somehow, this modeling career was given less weight over time until this point where it no longer exists. I have neither the time nor inclination to work to create a reasonable section cover his modelling with reliable sources. I just wanted to point out to other editors what has happened. --SVTCobra (talk) 02:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 August 2019
Original text (under Jeffree Star Cosmetics): Jeffree Star launched a new spring collection "Blue Blood" on March 29, 2019, at 10:00AM PST.[33] This November will be the cosmetic's line 5th anniversary.[34] The eyeshadow pallet sold out in an hour, with the blue chrome mirrors in minutes from launch.[35]

Change to: Jeffree Star has since launched several collections, including the new spring collection "Blue Blood" which launched on March 29, 2019, at 10:00AM PST[33]. The "Blue Blood" eyeshadow palette sold out within seconds of its launch, but has since been restocked.


 * Corrected poor grammar.
 * Generalized the initial statement, since the Blue Blood palette is not the cosmetic line's only release.
 * Removed the 5th anniversary mention and annotation since it is not notable.
 * Corrected spelling and added a new source for the eyeshadow palette selling out, since the original source only linked to his general Twitter page.)

--JHLjacks (talk) 23:56, 21 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks! NiciVampireHeart 20:25, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Propose New Details for "Controversy" Section
Currently, the article omits reference to what the controversy specifically was, including what remarks Star made, the context in which they were made, and any reference to his own video explaining who, what where and why. I propose these items are added accordingly, along with a reference to his video in which he explained the situation(s). This will give users more information than previously provided and will help reduce outside searches for the information itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuleeAnnA (talk • contribs) 20:13, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * YouTube videos aren't really reliable and this seems steeped in WP:GOSSIP. --SVTCobra (talk) 03:00, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I tend to agree, should we remove the Jefree Star subsection per WP:GOSSIP? Otherwise, I've removed the POV tag for now... — comrade  waddie96 ★ (talk)  12:21, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Questionable Source for Racist Remarks
Citation 43 in the Racism subsection is a very questionable source. It lists 'quotes' said by the subject of this page, but gives no evidence for any of them. (see below) https://www.bet.com/style/2017/08/17/a-comprehensive-timeline-of-jeffree-star-s-racist-behavior.html?cid=facebook

Last sentence either needs to be removed or the citation needs to be replaced with a credible one.

69.243.50.143 (talk) 01:10, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2019
Jeffree Star Net Worth $1 Billion USD DayneG1 (talk) 22:53, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That seems implausible. Note that most "net worth" pages aren't reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 23:05, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

get rid of his "partner(s)"
jeffree starr is single now Rraberr (talk) 00:05, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Breakup with Nathan Schwandt
The infobox says "citation needed", so here it is: Jeffree Star confirms he and Nathan Schwandt are over  144.178.0.204 (talk) 05:49, 12 January 2020 (UTC) Darwin
 * Thanks, added the citation. Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:53, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 January 2020
Change relationship status of Jeffree to Nathan from 2015-Present to 2015 to 2019 (almost 2020). Thank you! Quartz Glass (talk) 06:51, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  JTP (talk • contribs) 14:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2020
Removal of reference #46 as the source quoted is not substantiated. 2601:140:8B00:40A0:48D4:55AD:3BB7:32CC (talk) 01:42, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: IP 32CC, what citation are you referring to? I cannot find it in the page history. – Toxi  Boi!  (contribs) 07:27, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "A Compilation of Jeffree Star's Racist Behavior That Will Make You Cringe". BET. Retrieved October 11, 2019. — Preceding text originally posted&#32;on User talk:2601:140:8B00:40A0:48D4:55AD:3BB7:32CC&#32;([//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:2601:140:8B00:40A0:48D4:55AD:3BB7:32CC&diff=prev&oldid=938312268 diff])&#32;12:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ToxiBoi (talk • contribs)
 * ❌ It appears the statement in the article is verified by the listed source. What exactly do you wish to change? What do you mean by "unsubstantiated"?  C Thomas3   (talk) 06:56, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Update subscriber count
Jeffree stands at: 17.6 million ** Blushingsinful (talk) 02:37, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Article needs expansion
I feel this article needs expansion. Jeffree Star is talked about as much today in the digital age that's it's comparable to Micheal Jackson throughout his career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nice Stories (talk • contribs) 16:27, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2020
Hello, I noticed the article states that Jeffree Star has "over 24 billion views" on YouTube. However, after checking his YouTube channel, it appears that the number was misread, and should be corrected to 2.4 billions. Thank you. Ahmad Tawil (talk) 21:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅ Checked the channel too, and changend the viewnumber accordingly. Thanks for your attention. Gehenna1510 (talk) 22:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Birth date
A previous editor said WP:DOB stipulates that "primary government sources" not be used. First, WP:DOB does not say anything about "government" whatsoever. Second, as has been discussed elsewhere, California Birth Index is not a WP:PRIMARY source. It is a WP:SECONDARY abstract of information from a government database. A primary source in this case would be a birth certificate.--Tenebrae (talk) 16:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:RS are the two relevant policies here. California Birth Index is not self published and it isn't a reliable source. GRINCHIDICAE🎄  16:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Further, from WP:BLP: . Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. Do not use public records that include personal details, such as date of birth, home value, traffic citations, vehicle registrations, and home or business addresses. GRINCHIDICAE🎄  16:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree. The use of the California Birth Index, which is a database of primary public records, is a BLP violation. Grayfell (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Clunky diction
"He broke his back and had several fractures on his spine"

Both of those are stating the same thing, so that's redundant. You can't break your back without fracturing your spine and vise versa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimindc (talk • contribs) 16:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

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