Talk:Jeffrey Goodman

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I quote here from my talk page - posted there by User:Gelnd following my removal of a CSD tad for attack: Gelnd (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2011 (UTC)You wrote: I would be interested to know why you consider the article about Jeffrey Goodman to be an attack. It looks quite well balanced and well referenced to me. If you can supply references that comply with WP:RS to support your claim, I will reconsider my removal of your speedy deletion request. Please to not add it again without evidence, and also please to not remove sourced material from the article, and do not restructure or reformat it without consensus reached on the article's talk page. Peridon (talk) 17:25, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
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I am Gelnd and the subject of the BLP article about Jeffrey Goodman. I do not know your system. I tried to take down what I consider to be defamatory material, but you overode this just as I was preparing to add my specific explantions for doing this to Talk. These explanations are given below. After I put up these explanations I was going to repair the article with published material about my work that is more recent than the 1970's and 80's material. But alas I am confused and feel I am being run over. On March 29 I sent an email to your Volunteer Response Team about this and since I received no response I moved to remove the objectionable material myself. I ask for your help in fixing this mess and giving me a chance to have a fair article done under Wikipedia's rules. You can call me collect if you want Jeff Goodman at xxx-xxxx. [Number removed by Peridon]

Passages with errors that I tried to remove on April 1: Passage 1	Through "psychic clues" he predicted that an excavation there would find "carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing" as well as an underground tunnel system, domesticated horses and other artifacts, none of which were actually found at the site.[2] What is actually written the book PSYCHIC ARCHEOLOGY (1977, p. 134) is: “Aron’s (one of the psychics discussed in the book) readings on the hypothetical full-scale excavation said that we would find evidence of other sophisticated practices as well – carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather, and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing. He even cited a mysterious underground tunnel system.” The quotation used in the Wikipedia article makes it seem that Goodman himself predicted these things, which is false. This is also contrary to the discussion in the book on p. 108 where Goodman tells how he made a list of Aron’s predictions for a 30 foot deep, 10 foot wide test shaft he was going to dig which says: “I had the predictions notarized and distributed copies of them to friends and enemies alike. Following the advice of my psychology professor, I sought an independent control on the predictions.” The illustration insert of the book that follows p. 112 shows this list of predictions made for the test shaft and the predictions made by two archeology professors who served as a control. Aron’s predictions for the test shaft basically mentions different types of stone tools that would be found at each depth. There is no mention of wooden ankhs and scrolls and such as the falsely attributed quotation states. The passage used in the article is false and misleading.

Passage 2 He stated that he had found what he considered were the most important artifacts in human history. This statement does not appear in Goodman’s books. Interestingly, in his book AMERICAN GENESIS (1981) a statement somewhat like this appears on p. 214: “Marshack said that if we could resolve these problems then the “Flagstaff stone” would be one of the most important artifacts ever found in the entire world.” 11 [Personal communication from Alexander Marshack, March 21, 1980.] It seems that the editor of this passage took this sentence and twisted it a bit and then attributed it to Goodman which is false. Also note that Marshack’s statement only refers to the Flagstaff stone, singular not plural. But, the false statement uses the plural (“most important artifacts”).

Passage 3 These were known as the "Flagstaff Stone" and the "Native First People Stone." In Goodman’s books he wrote about an engraved stone which he calls the “Flagstaff Stone,” but he has not have written about a so-called “Native First People Stone.” Nowhere in his writings does he write about the discovery of a second stone. The sentence in this passage is false and brings up the issue of vandalism. Thus, reference to a so-called “Native People Stone” needs to be removed.

Passage 4 However, it's not a stone. It's in fact a piece of tuff This passage says that the (Flagstaff) stone is not a stone but a piece of tuff. This passage is false because geologically speaking the “tuff” the editor refers to can also be called a “stone.” THE DICTIONARY OF GEOLOGICAL TERMS (1962, p. 512) defines “tuff” as “a rock formed of compacted volcanic fragments,” and it defines “stone” as a small piece of “rock” (p. 473). Webster’s defines “tuff” as “a rock composed of volcanic detritus.” Further, it is interesting to note that in none of Goodman’s published works does he refer to the stone as a “tuff.”  In AMERICAN GENESIS (p. 211) he refers to the Flagstaff stone as “a piece of hard volcanic ash.” The editor gives no citation for saying that the stone is a “tuff.” Goodman has a professional degree in Geological Engineering from Colorado School of Mines (1964) and this passage seems to make it seem that he does not know what a “stone” or “tuff” is. In AMERICAN GENESIS (p. 215) he tells of having the Flagstaff Stone studied by two different petrographers (from different universities) who specialize in volcanic rocks of this type. In THE GENESIS MYSTERY (p. 218) he tells how Dr. Virginia Steen-McIntyre, a tephrachronologist also examined the stone.

Passage 5 This artifact may or may not be associated with the Flagstaff site. It has glyphic markings that have been interpreted as astronomical and calendrical and "considered by some to be to be the oldest written document in the world." Virginia Steen-McIntyre (a "tephrachronologist") dated it at around 250,000 years ago. [1] There is no direct citation for this passage, and as noted above Goodman has not published anything about a so-called “Native First People Stone.” While Dr. Virginia Steen – McIntyre a tephrachronologist did put a minimum date of 100,000 years on the Flagstaff stone (THE GENESIS MYSTERY, 1983, p. 218) Goodman did not publish anything about her dating it at around 250,000 year age, or about “glyphic markings.”  In AMERICAN GENESIS (p. 214 and 215) he wrote about the “geometric arrangement of the groves” and “the geometric pattern” of the line work on the stone. This passage using the term “glyphic markings” is misleading, because in archeology it carries a very different set of implications that make his work seem far more sensationalistic.

Passage 6 that his claims of having a Ph.D in psychic archaeology may be false; Cole argues it seems like an unlikely degree, and that the school from which he obtained it is given no credit.[3] Goodman has never claimed to have a Ph.D. in psychic archeology. A book review called “Notable – AMERICAN GENESIS” in Time Magazine (June 19, 1981) says, “The author, who holds a doctorate in anthropology.” The dust jacket of the book GENESIS MYSTERY says that “Jeffrey Goodman, Ph.D. holds a doctorate in anthropology, and the dust jacket of his book AMERICAN GENESIS says “in addition to his doctorate in anthropology.” In his new book THE COMETS OF GOD (2010) p. 576 gives a list of his degrees: “Jeffrey Goodman received a professional degree in Geological Engineering from Colorado School of Mines, a MA in anthropology from the University of Arizona, a MBA from Columbia University Graduate School of Business, and a Ph.D. in anthropology from California Coast University. He was accredited by the former Society of Professional Archeologists from 1978 to 1987.” A review of his book THE COMETS OF GOD in ForeWord Reviews (January 6, 2011 www.forewordreviews.com ) says, “He holds a geological engineering degree from the Colorado School of Mines, a M.A. in anthropology from the University of Arizona, and a Ph.D. in anthropology from California Coast University. He also earned a M.B.A. from Columbia University Graduate School of Business.” This passage in the article seems to be written to disparage and smear.

Passage 7 Jeffrey Goodman is a proponent and practicer of psychic archaeology. He believes Homo sapiens arose out of California 500,000 years ago and this idea is the driving force behind much of his work. His influences include Edgar Cayce, known for his strong Atlantis channeling, and Stephan Schwartz. [1] This is a series of mischaracterizations. While Goodman has been a proponent and practitioner of psychic archeology, he parted ways with these things in 1987 after he became a Christian. The major influence for his book on psychic archeology did not come from Edgar Cayce, or Stephen Schwarz. On page 89-90 of PSYCHIC ARCHEOLOGY he tells how a series of dreams he had about making an important archeological discovery is what influenced him to take on psychic archeology. Stephen Schwartz got involved with this subject long after he began working on it. This again seems to be another passage written to disparage and smear. Passage 8 self-published This may be a small point, but in 2010 after writing 5 books for major publishers, and acting as a start to finish consultant in getting several books successfully published; Goodman has formed his own publishing company called Archeological Research Books, LLC. Archeological Research Books is the publisher of The Comets of God. Regarding the quality of this publication ForeWord Reviews (www.forewordreviews.com January 6, 2011) wrote: “This astute writer knows how to present his hypothesis in a concise delivery backed by an extensive bibliography, notes, and citations.” Goodman has a MBA and understands the business of book publishing and book promotion. Archeological Research Books already has several completed manuscripts to publish over the next few years, including a manuscript about ancient mathematics that Goodman pulled back from publication after Viking Publishing accepted the finished manuscript a number of years ago, a manuscript about Archeo-Linguistics and Biblical Meditation, and several manuscripts others have written. Baker and Taylor, the largest library wholesaler has agreed to carry Archeological Research’s books. Goodman has been writing articles and a blog: www.newscientificevidenceforgod.com Book publishing is a full time job for Goodman. Archeological Research Books belongs to several small and independent publishing associations and should be considered a small independent publisher rather than a self publisher.

Passage 9 Under Goodman’s list of publications the article lists: •	The Origins of Mathematics and Science in Prehistoric America No citation is given for this publication and Goodman has not yet published anything on this subject. If anyone has a copy of one of Goodman’s early manuscripts on this subject, they may be in violation of his common law copyright.

Passage 10 Stephen Williams In his book Fantastic Archaeology: The Wild Side of the North American Prehistory, Stephen Williams says “he [Goodman] commits an intellectual crime on the very people he seeks spiritually to uplift with his discoveries, the Native Americans.” Here Williams is referring to Goodman’s excavations of Flagstaff, Arizona and his attempted re-writing of American Indian prehistory[1] As shown above in passages 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 Williams has made substantial errors regarding facts and quotes and his criticism is not neutral and not qualified.
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I'm copying this here as I can't check the claims on either side, not having access to the books that are the sources on both sides of the disputed information. I've tagged the article for possible inaccuracy. I have no opinion on this matter, and removed the 'attack' tag in good faith. If anyone can check the material above against the listed sources, I would appreciate it. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 18:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

First people stone
Wikipedia can't say it was dated to that date, the article has to say Virginia SM dated it to that date, and cite Williams unless you can find something by her. Dougweller (talk) 09:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Passages with errors that have been removed on April 1: Passage 1	Through "psychic clues" he predicted that an excavation there would find "carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing" as well as an underground tunnel system, domesticated horses and other artifacts, none of which were actually found at the site.[2] What is actually written the book PSYCHIC ARCHEOLOGY (1977, p. 134) is: “Aron’s (one of the psychics discussed in the book) readings on the hypothetical full-scale excavation said that we would find evidence of other sophisticated practices as well – carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather, and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing. He even cited a mysterious underground tunnel system.” The quotation used in the Wikipedia article makes it seem that Goodman himself predicted these things, which is false. This is also contrary to the discussion in the book on p. 108 where Goodman tells how he made a list of Aron’s predictions for a 30 foot deep, 10 foot wide test shaft he was going to dig which says: “I had the predictions notarized and distributed copies of them to friends and enemies alike. Following the advice of my psychology professor, I sought an independent control on the predictions.” The illustration insert of the book that follows p. 112 shows this list of predictions made for the test shaft and the predictions made by two archeology professors who served as a control. Aron’s predictions for the test shaft basically mentions different types of stone tools that would be found at each depth. There is no mention of wooden ankhs and scrolls and such as the falsely attributed quotation states. The passage used in the article is false and misleading. Passage 2 He stated that he had found what he considered were the most important artifacts in human history. This statement does not appear in Goodman’s books. Interestingly, in his book AMERICAN GENESIS (1981) a statement somewhat like this appears on p. 214: “Marshack said that if we could resolve these problems then the “Flagstaff stone” would be one of the most important artifacts ever found in the entire world.” 11 [Personal communication from Alexander Marshack, March 21, 1980.] It seems that the editor of this passage took this sentence and twisted it a bit and then attributed it to Goodman which is false. Also note that Marshack’s statement only refers to the Flagstaff stone, singular not plural. But, the false statement uses the plural (“most important artifacts”). Passage 3 These were known as the "Flagstaff Stone" and the "Native First People Stone." In Goodman’s books he wrote about an engraved stone which he calls the “Flagstaff Stone,” but he has not have written about a so-called “Native First People Stone.” Nowhere in his writings does he write about the discovery of a second stone. The sentence in this passage is false and brings up the issue of vandalism. Thus, reference to a so-called “Native People Stone” needs to be removed. Passage 4 However, it's not a stone. It's in fact a piece of tuff This passage says that the (Flagstaff) stone is not a stone but a piece of tuff. This passage is false because geologically speaking the “tuff” the editor refers to can also be called a “stone.” THE DICTIONARY OF GEOLOGICAL TERMS (1962, p. 512) defines “tuff” as “a rock formed of compacted volcanic fragments,” and it defines “stone” as a small piece of “rock” (p. 473). Webster’s defines “tuff” as “a rock composed of volcanic detritus.” Further, it is interesting to note that in none of Goodman’s published works does he refer to the stone as a “tuff.”  In AMERICAN GENESIS (p. 211) he refers to the Flagstaff stone as “a piece of hard volcanic ash.” The editor gives no citation for saying that the stone is a “tuff.” Goodman has a professional degree in Geological Engineering from Colorado School of Mines (1964) and this passage seems to make it seem that he does not know what a “stone” or “tuff” is. In AMERICAN GENESIS (p. 215) he tells of having the Flagstaff Stone studied by two different petrographers (from different universities) who specialize in volcanic rocks of this type. In THE GENESIS MYSTERY (p. 218) he tells how Dr. Virginia Steen-McIntyre, a tephrachronologist also examined the stone. Passage 5 This artifact may or may not be associated with the Flagstaff site. It has glyphic markings that have been interpreted as astronomical and calendrical and "considered by some to be to be the oldest written document in the world." Virginia Steen-McIntyre (a "tephrachronologist") dated it at around 250,000 years ago. [1] There is no direct citation for this passage, and as noted above Goodman has not published anything about a so-called “Native First People Stone.” While Dr. Virginia Steen – McIntyre a tephrachronologist did put a minimum date of 100,000 years on the Flagstaff stone (THE GENESIS MYSTERY, 1983, p. 218) Goodman did not publish anything about her dating it at around 250,000 year age, or about “glyphic markings.”  In AMERICAN GENESIS (p. 214 and 215) he wrote about the “geometric arrangement of the groves” and “the geometric pattern” of the line work on the stone. This passage using the term “glyphic markings” is misleading, because in archeology it carries a very different set of implications that make his work seem far more sensationalistic. Passage 6 that his claims of having a Ph.D in psychic archaeology may be false; Cole argues it seems like an unlikely degree, and that the school from which he obtained it is given no credit.[3] Goodman has never claimed to have a Ph.D. in psychic archeology. A book review called “Notable – AMERICAN GENESIS” in Time Magazine (June 19, 1981) says, “The author, who holds a doctorate in anthropology.” The dust jacket of the book GENESIS MYSTERY says that “Jeffrey Goodman, Ph.D. holds a doctorate in anthropology, and the dust jacket of his book AMERICAN GENESIS says “in addition to his doctorate in anthropology.” In his new book THE COMETS OF GOD (2010) p. 576 gives a list of his degrees: “Jeffrey Goodman received a professional degree in Geological Engineering from Colorado School of Mines, a MA in anthropology from the University of Arizona, a MBA from Columbia University Graduate School of Business, and a Ph.D. in anthropology from California Coast University. He was accredited by the former Society of Professional Archeologists from 1978 to 1987.” A review of his book THE COMETS OF GOD in ForeWord Reviews (January 6, 2011 www.forewordreviews.com ) says, “He holds a geological engineering degree from the Colorado School of Mines, a M.A. in anthropology from the University of Arizona, and a Ph.D. in anthropology from California Coast University. He also earned a M.B.A. from Columbia University Graduate School of Business.” This passage in the article seems to be written to disparage and smear. Passage 7 Jeffrey Goodman is a proponent and practicer of psychic archaeology. He believes Homo sapiens arose out of California 500,000 years ago and this idea is the driving force behind much of his work. His influences include Edgar Cayce, known for his strong Atlantis channeling, and Stephan Schwartz. [1] This is a series of mischaracterizations. While Goodman has been a proponent and practitioner of psychic archeology, he parted ways with these things in 1987 after he became a Christian. The major influence for his book on psychic archeology did not come from Edgar Cayce, or Stephen Schwarz. On page 89-90 of PSYCHIC ARCHEOLOGY he tells how a series of dreams he had about making an important archeological discovery is what influenced him to take on psychic archeology. Stephen Schwartz got involved with this subject long after he began working on it. This again seems to be another passage written to disparage and smear. Passage 8 self-published This may be a small point, but in 2010 after writing 5 books for major publishers, and acting as a start to finish consultant in getting several books successfully published; Goodman has formed his own publishing company called Archeological Research Books, LLC. Archeological Research Books is the publisher of The Comets of God. Regarding the quality of this publication ForeWord Reviews (www.forewordreviews.com January 6, 2011) wrote: “This astute writer knows how to present his hypothesis in a concise delivery backed by an extensive bibliography, notes, and citations.” Goodman has a MBA and understands the business of book publishing and book promotion. Archeological Research Books already has several completed manuscripts to publish over the next few years, including a manuscript about ancient mathematics that Goodman pulled back from publication after Viking Publishing accepted the finished manuscript a number of years ago, a manuscript about Archeo-Linguistics and Biblical Meditation, and several manuscripts others have written. Baker and Taylor, the largest library wholesaler has agreed to carry Archeological Research’s books. Goodman has been writing articles and a blog: www.newscientificevidenceforgod.com

Book publishing is a full time job for Goodman. Archeological Research Books belongs to several small and independent publishing associations and should be considered a small independent publisher rather than a self publisher. Passage 9 Under Goodman’s list of publications the article lists: •	The Origins of Mathematics and Science in Prehistoric America No citation is given for this publication and Goodman has not yet published anything on this subject. If anyone has a copy of one of Goodman’s early manuscripts on this subject, they may be in violation of his common law copyright. Passage 10 Stephen Williams In his book Fantastic Archaeology: The Wild Side of the North American Prehistory, Stephen Williams says “he [Goodman] commits an intellectual crime on the very people he seeks spiritually to uplift with his discoveries, the Native Americans.” Here Williams is referring to Goodman’s excavations of Flagstaff, Arizona and his attempted re-writing of American Indian prehistory[1] As shown above in passages 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 Williams has made substantial errors regarding facts and quotes and thus his criticism in this artcle is suspect. In "American Genesis" (p.210) it says,"In the summer of 1979, Bryan and his wife Dr. Ruth Gruhn who is also an archeologist at the University of Alberta, and two of their graduate students came to Flagstaff to excavate for three weeks." The late Dr. Bryan was the founder of the Anthrpology at Alberta and a celebrated Pleistocene archeologist and it was one of his students who excavated the Flagstaff Stone whlie I was in Tucson. It seems that Williams does not recognize the role Bryan and other professionals have played in my work.--18:49, 1 April 2011 (UTC)Gelnd (talk)


 * This is all pretty long and will take some time to answer. I've already pointed you to some links on your talk page, and I see that you also need to read WP:COI. I repeat that material needs to be cited to what we call reliable sources, see WP:RS. This does not mean neutral sources, nor does it mean that they are necessarily correct. I'll have to also say that your posts above are confusing as sometimes you refer to yourself in a way that makes it look as though you are Goodman, and other times as though Goodman is someone else. Whatever, if the article is to say that Goodman became a Christian and no longer supports psychic archaeology, than we need good sources stating that. I've got no reason to think it isn't true, but we must reference it (see examples in the article and WP:CITE. Ditto, for instance, your last paragraph above. As for self-published, if an author owns the company that publishes his books, that's self-publishing, even if for instance they publish other authors' books. And please don't accuse other editors of trying to smear you (see WP:AGF. I'll try to comment in more detail later. And get hold of American Genesis if I can. Dougweller (talk) 20:36, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I can understand it is difficult to handle sources that are critical of you, but we need to include them. We can discuss obvious inaccuracies, such as attributing to you something said by someone else. We can and should add other publishes sources (which you say you have). But if you read our policies and guidelines, esp. WP:NPOV, you will see that the article needs to make it clear that at least some of your major publications have received criticism and what that criticism is. Dougweller (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Some new sources
I can't find anything about recent work, but I have found:

Predicting the unpredictable: the tumultuous science of earthquake prediction By Susan Elizabeth Hough

Human evolution: a guide to the debates By Brian Regal  Dougweller (talk) 05:09, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Phd
There are many sources which show that Jeffrey Goodman has a phd in archaeology but this information is not put on the article? 86.10.119.131 (talk) 13:30, 6 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Besides his books and other sources that don't meet our criteria at WP:RS, I find "a report just issued by a former PhD candidate in archaeology at the University of Arizona. Jeffrey Goodman, a Tucson-based former oil executive," - have you got a source that's clearly reliable and not by Goodman? I'm not challenging the fact he has a PhD, just saying we have our criteria for sources. Dougweller (talk) 14:47, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Jeffrey Goodman--More about the problems with the BLP article on Jeffrey Goodman
More about the problems with the BLP article on Jeffrey Goodman TALK Gelnd (talk) 16:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC) More about Problems with the BLP article on Jeffrey Goodman: Part 1 (New information to be added to the Gelnd (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2011 posting.)Gelnd (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Passage 1 under the heading Flagstaff Excavation in the 4/2/11 article: Through "psychic clues" he predicted that an excavation there would find "carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing" as well as an underground tunnel system, domesticated horses and other artifacts, none of which were actually found at the site. [3] The word “he” as used above is a reference to Jeffrey Goodman, but Goodman did not make these predictions about scrolls and wooden ankhs. This is what is actually written in Psychic Archaeology: “Aron’s readings on the hypothetical full-scale excavation said that we would find evidence of other sophisticated practices as well – carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather, and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing. He even cited a mysterious underground tunnel system.”[1]. In Psychic Archaeology Goodman writes: “I had the predictions notarized and distributed copies of them to friends and enemies alike. Following the advice of my psychology professor, I sought an independent control on the predictions.” The illustration insert of the book that follows p. 112 shows this list of predictions made for the test shaft (which do not mention scrolls and wooden ankhs) and the predictions made by two archeology professors who served as a control.[2]. To add to the article under the heading - Flagstaff Excavation: Sociologist Laile Bartlett, Ph.D. in Psi Trek tells how about fifty archeologists have come to inspect the stone tools Goodman found at Flagstaff and she writes: Though not all are convinced, those I consulted took the Goodman find seriously. Richard MacNeish of the Peabody Foundation for Archaeology said, “I want to know more about the context in which the specimens are found: those chipped objects do look man made.” The plot continues. In 1979, Alan Bryan of the University of Alberta brought his own team to the site, which in 3 weeks of digging turned up another tantalizing piece, a stone some believe was intentionally engraved by humans. [3].

Joseph K. Long, Ph.D., an anthropologist at the University of New Hampshire wrote in Extrasensory Ecology: Parapsychology and Anthropology that: ”As predicted, 1) crude stone tools from four to 20 feet were found, 2) a geologic disconformity occurred at the 15 foot level, and 3) a minimum date of 20,000 years . . .” was supported by radiocarbon dating of approximately 23,000 B.C., thus making it one of the oldest fully documented sites in America. Excavations have now revealed a probable date of around 100,000 B.C. at 21 feet, and a well-cut blade has recently been taken at the 28-foot level. Considering the millions of cubic yards of earth excavated for cities, dams, roads, and the research for America’s “oldest man” in the past 30 years, this event seems of high importance. Regardless of how one states it, the odds against the predictions’ being accurate about the location of the site alone were very high. In sum, the psychic hypothesis would seem to be correct. [4].

Additional commentary from Dr. Long that refers to Goodman’s work, which in part could also be added to the article under the heading - Flagstaff Excavation as added material from a reliable resource: I am informed that archeological dowsing is commonly used in Europe, without people’s raising the question of the ”source” of the paragnostic information or without mention of the dowsing in published site reports. But it is exceedingly rare in America, and this rather unusual case suggests that, regardless of whether this is to be explained as a type of “sifting telepathy” (the only instructions given were to find a very ancient site in the Southwest, which includes a great many square miles to read – “sift through” – clairvoyantly), or as communication with the dead, it would seem to present us with a technique which no budget-oriented excavator could afford to pass up. This does not represent a practice unique to Goodman and Emerson. Weiant (1960: 1-8) [Weiant, C. 1960, Parapsychology and anthropology. XXIII (15): 1-4. (From a presentation at American Anthropological Association annual meeting, Mexico City, 1959.)] utilized it in George Vaillant’s work for the National Geographic-Smithsonian excavation of Tres Zapotes in Mexico. It is perhaps of passing interest to note that Dr. Weiant presented this material under the title “Parapsychology and Anthropology” at the annual meeting of the American Anthropological Association in Mexico City in 1959. It was only after I organized the Association symposium by the same title for Mexico City in 1974 that his coincidence was discovered. [5]. Long also wrote: Whatever may come from psychic archeology, it is likely eventually to have two profound results: (1) an expansion of our understanding of paranormal phenomena which have previously not been observable by double-blind experimentation, and (2) an expansion of our knowledge about the more socially relevant dynamics present at archeological sites at the times when they are originally occupied. [6]. Long also wrote: Certain predictions that were made remain untested because of the incomplete excavation of the site. These include the presence of human biological material, and the use of specific domesticated vegetal material. It should be noted that the potential presence of human skeletal material was the rationale for picking this particular ten-foot-square excavation zone over all others. [7]. Long also wrote:

Perhaps the most significant element to observe in the archeological psi work, aside from the potential for inexpensively determining the central locations of undiscovered or excavated sites, is the fact that much of the psychic archeology automatically sets up double-blind psi experiments. [8]. Another resource to support what Goodman predicted and found is a paper of his that appears in Extrasensory Ecology: Parapsychology and Anthropology by Joseph K. Long, Ph.D. This paper was framed by the “Editor’s Comments” and the “Editor’s Comments” which in part are quoted above. The title of the paper is “Psychic Archeology: Methodology and Empirical Evidence from Flagstaff, Arizona.” In this paper Goodman wrote: In the spring of 1973, after receiving the permit, but before beginning the actual dig, Aron was asked for additional and even more specific predictions for the planned ten-foot square shaft, to be dug 23 feet in depth. This new information was intended to clarify and support the material already received from him in the earlier 1971 tapes. Like the first series, this second set of tapes dealt with archeological, chronological, and geological details of the site and the surrounding area (Table 1). As a control, the predictions of several archeology professors from another institution, all of whom were familiar with the area, were recorded. They vouchsafed that this was the first known deep subsurface excavation in the area, and stated that they felt the location of artifacts as predicted by Aron was very unlikely.[9].

Another reliable source that supports what Goodman found at Flagstaff appears in Opening the Inner Eye: Explorations on the Practical Application of Intuition in Daily Life and Work by William H. Kautz (Sc.D., M.I.T.) a former Staff Scientist at SRI International. Dr. Kautz wrote: Jeffrey Goodman, working with intuitive Aron Abrahamsen [AA], was directed to a specific remote piece of land near Flagstaff, Arizona and told what he would find if he dug there. Following this counsel, Goodman subsequently excavated at various levels a large number of artifacts dating back 30,000 years, just as Abrahamsen had predicted.14 (Goodman, Jeffrey, Psychic Archeology, G.P. Putnam, 1977). [10].

Passage 11- A new passage that appears under the heading -- American Genesis in the 4/2/11 article has a misquote and says: He also attributes to these early humans many discoveries considered to be much later, from pottery to insulin to "the applied understanding of the physics behind Einstein's gravity waves".[2] quoted in Feder, Kenneth L. Encylopedia of Dubious Archaeology: From Atlantis to the Walam Olum, Greenwood, 2010, ISBN: 978-0313379185 pp.7-8 From the source quoted in Wikipedia: Goodman continues in American Genesis to make claims concerning the great precocity of these first true human beings. Apparently we can credit the ancient Americans with everything from the invention of pottery and the discovery of insulin to the development of birth control pills, and rather incoherently, to me at least, “the applied understanding of the physics behind Einstein’s gravity waves.” (178). Feder, Kenneth L. Encylopedia of Dubious Archaeology: From Atlantis to the Walam Olum, Greenwood, 2010, pp 8-9.

This is a misquote, because Goodman did not write the words put in quotation marks. This is what Goodman wrote in American Genesis about Einstein and “gravity waves”: Albert Einstein was eager to see gravity waves harnessed as an unlimited power supply. He felt that these gravity waves could be tapped at certain locations along the earth’s surface; perhaps the Indian holy places were also associated with these locations. [11].

Also this is what Goodman wrote in American Genesis about ‘pottery”:

But the new perspectives on the Paleo-Indians suggest that a re-analysis of a forgotten paper by Max Uhle, the father of Peruvian archaeology, is in order. Given (in German) in 1928 at the Twenty-Third International Congress of the Americas, Uhle’s paper reported on the finding of an extinct mastodon associated with pottery. (4) (Carter, G. F. “Uhle’s Mastodon.” Anthropological Journal, 1968, p. 21.  [Uhle’s paper at the Twenty-Third International Congress of America was published in German by the Science Press, Lancaster, PA. in 1928.”]) [12]. Also this is what Goodman wrote in American Genesis about “birth control pills”: We even owe a debt to the Indians for the birth control pill. In his book American Indian Medicine Dr. Vogel writes that “Indian fertility drugs helped to call attention to the possibilities and played a role in the research leading to recent discoveries in the field.” [21 Vogel, V.J. American Indian Medicine, University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, ISBN: 69-10626, 1977, p.244.] At the beginning of the nineteenth century, the great naturalist Alexander von Humboldt said that the leading cause of depopulation of mission Indians on the Orinoco was “the guilty practice of preventing pregnancy by the use of deleterious herbs.” [22 Vogel, op.cit. p. 240] Many Indian groups believed that sterility could be artificially induced by taking certain substances. Most of these substances have proven worthless, but not all. One Indian oral contraceptive, stoneseed (Lithospermum ruderale), taken by the Nevada Shoshones, proved surprising when clinically tested. Experimental work showed that mice fed with an extract of this plant had their normal estrous cycle abolished, and the number of estrous smears decreased. Subsequent work with rabbits showed that stoneseed apparently inhibits the actions of gonadotrophins in the ovary. In 1965, researchers at Indiana University tested chickens and mice with this substance finding that it had “powerful inhibitory effects. [23 Vogel, op.cit. p. 245]. [13]. Also this is what Goodman wrote in American Genesis about “insulin”: Long-standing ethnic arrogance held back many researchers, but others studied some of the Indian drugs and when they found them to be effective, had the active agents in these plants chemically synthesized. For example, Dr. Frederick Banting, the discoverer of insulin, credited Indian healers with the “pharmaceutical spadework” which led to the development of this elixir for diabetics. [10 Vogel, op.cit. p.4.] The Indians of British Columbia are reported to have combated diabetes with an infusion of the root of a spiny, prickly shrub called devil’s club. Experiments on rabbits showed that devil’s club reduced the blood sugar substantially without toxic effects, proving it effective in the prevention and treatment of diabetes. [11 Vogel, op.cit. p.198.] [14].

To add to the article (re: passage 6) under the top most heading –Jeffrey Goodman: John White in Pole Shift tells how while working with astronaut Edgar Mitchell at the Institute of Noetic Sciences he was contacted by a graduate student named Jeffrey Goodman and then he writes “(He has since earned his Ph.D. in anthropology).” [15]. An article in New Realities magazine said: Dr. Goodman is the author of Psychic Archaeology and director of Archaeological Research Associates, Inc., of Tucson, Arizona. He holds degrees in anthropology, engineering, business, and archaeology from the Colorado School of Mines, the Columbia University School of Business, and the University of Arizona, and California Western University. [16]. Time Magazine said that Goodman holds a doctorate in anthropology [17], *[1], and American Genesis tells of his accreditation by the Society of Professional Archeologists [18]. Dr. David Zink, a professor at Lamar University and an elected Fellow of the Explorer’s Club of New York in The Ancient Stones Speak wrote: The pioneers in this field are surely Dr. J. Norman Emerson of the University of Toronto and the archaeologist Dr. Jeffrey D. Goodman. Working at a site near Flagstaff, Arizona, between 1971 and 1973, Goodman used psychic information to help him locate an area for excavation. His psychic directed him to a spot described by experienced archaeologists as unlikely to yield any artifacts. The outcome was the location of the first known deep excavation in the area. (p. XI) [19].

A review of his book The Comets of God in ForeWord Reviews says, “He holds a geological engineering degree from the Colorado School of Mines, a M.A. in anthropology from the University of Arizona, and a Ph.D. in anthropology from California Coast University. He also earned a M.B.A. from Columbia University Graduate School of Business.” [20] *[2]. The book The Comets of God gives more details about his background: “Jeffrey Goodman received a professional degree in Geological Engineering from Colorado School of Mines, a MA in anthropology from the University of Arizona, a MBA from Columbia University Graduate School of Business, and a Ph.D. in anthropology from California Coast University. He was accredited by the former Society of Professional Archeologists from 1978 to 1987” [21]. His website (acceptable WP: SPS) and blog also give details about his background * [http:// www.thecometsofgod.com Jeffrey Goodman's home website] and * [http:// www.newscientificevidenceforgod.com Jeffrey Goodman’s blog website]. This addition needs to be edited to eliminate repetition.

To add to the article under the heading - Comets: Though Christian fundamentalists may recoil from scientific exploration of what they believe to be unfathomable, sacred words, some experts have presented convincing theories for reinterpretation of biblical occurrences and predictions. Jeffrey Goodman, along with other scientists who preceded him, proposes that comets made an appearance in the Old Testament, one of which caused the Great Flood, and states that cometary activity will change the Earth throughout a protracted, devastating bombardment. Based on his definition of dire prophesy in the New Testament Book of Revelations, he has laid out a blow-by-blow description of what he anticipates will end the world that presently exists. His book addresses pertinent information lost in bad translations of original Hebrew manuscripts, clarifying key words, and demonstrating the likelihood that his astronomical explanations make more sense than other potential causes such as nuclear war… Though Goodman’s work is scientific, his detailed doomsday scenarios place the book into religion as well, since he is attempting to define events that have not occurred … His analysis of the Book of Revelations has an astronomical-Christian slant focused on proving that biblical writings can forecast our future, a concept that many scientists will reject. [22] *[3].

To add to the article under the heading - Native First People Stone: It has been reported that two separate engraved stones were found at Goodman’s excavation site in Flagstaff, the “Flagstaff Stone” and a so-called “Native First People Stone.” Nowhere in Goodman’s writings does he mention the discovery of a second engraved stone. In American Genesis Goodman writes: "In the summer of 1979, Bryan and his wife Dr. Ruth Gruhn who is also an archeologist at the University of Alberta, and two of their graduate students came to Flagstaff to excavate for three weeks." The late Dr. Alan Bryan was the founder of the Anthropology Department at the University of Alberta and a celebrated Pleistocene archeologist. It was one of his students who excavated the Flagstaff Stone several days before Goodman came up from Tucson to close the site [23].

To add to the article under the heading – American Genesis:

A review of American Genesis in Time Magazine said that Goodman: …advances his thesis with layman's language and expert's knowledge. Citing archaeological discoveries (both his own and those of others), he offers evidence that toolmaking men resided in the Americas more than 38,000 years ago, points out similarities between the shamanistic culture of the Cro-Magnons and that of the American Indians and provides convincing arguments that the prehistoric migration could just as easily have gone from the Americas as come to them. Few of Goodman's colleagues will subscribe to his theory; many still find his evidence incomplete. Fewer still will be able simply to dismiss it. [24]. *[4]

In a review of American Genesis the Chicago Sun Times praised American Genesis and said: This is a fascinating book, extremely well-written and well-organized. It is highly informative and entertaining, and contains what is probably the most comprehensive, up-to-date report on the most recent excavations in North and South America. [25].

A review of American Genesis in " Publisher’s Weekly'' said: There has been an upheaval in American archeology: within the last decade, dates for modern humankind in America have been pushed back to 30,000 years, 50,000 years and more: it is conceivable that Homo sapiens sapiens originated here . . . The old theory that humans came to America across the Bering land bridge (Beringia) 12,000 years ago left many questions about genetic characteristics, language, climate and ultimate dispersal. Furthermore, it did not fit creation myths of the Indians. In 1967, Louis Leakey confirmed the great antiquity of certain artifacts; though his opinion was not fully accepted at the time, it has since been validated. One sticking point was tools – a freak of nature or handmade? A new field of study, edge wear analysis, has proved they were made by humans. Goodman describes key sites and new methods of dating: he examines the Hopi creation story in the light of current archeological findings. This is an important book that will interest all readers who are curious about our origins. [26].

Passage 7 under the heading --Jeffrey Goodman in the 4/2/11 article: His influences include Edgar Cayce, known for his strong Atlantis channeling, and Stephan Schwartz. [1]

This seems to be a poorly sourced statement and it seems to involve WP: NOR. As pointed out in “passage 7” of the April 1 Talk page, on pages 89-90 of PSYCHIC ARCHEOLOGY Goodman tells how a series of dreams he had about making an important archeological discovery is what influenced him to take on psychic archeology.[27]. Sociologist Laile Bartlett, Ph.D. in Psi Trek who says that she spent a weekend talking to Goodman and going over all of the Flagstaff materials writes: Reflecting on these dreams, so different in emotional content from any he’d had before, Goodman felt strongly that, somehow, he was being given a message. [28]. And in the Introduction to Psychic Archeology Goodman credits Dr. Louis Leakey with influencing him to try to find an early man site in the Americas. In Psychic Archeology Goodman writes: Where did the first men in North and South America live, I wondered, and where did they come from? At the time, I wanted to discover an entirely new site that would shed light on this perplexing issue. I felt that the famed Dr. Louis Leakey was right when he guessed of much, much earlier dates for the first appearance of man in the Americas. [29]. As far as Stephen Schwartz being an influence on Goodman, Schwartz began his work on psychic archeology long after Goodman began the Flagstaff excavation and there has been litigation between the two and speculations should be avoided. Sociologist Laile Bartlett, Ph.D. in Psi Trek writes: These books began as a collaborative endeavor, then branched apart to produce two quite different reports. At the heart of Goodman’s account is his own experience with a Psi-directed archaeological dig near Flagstaff, Arizona. [30]. Gelnd (talk) 16:20, 8 April 2011 (UTC)Gelnd (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC) Gelnd (talk) 16:51, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Jeffrey Goodman re:passage 6 of previous post
Membership in the Society of Professional Archeologists requires certain minimal qualifications (below), and satisfaction of the requirements for at least one archeological emphasis. Also, all members must agree to abide by the Code of Ethics, Standards of Research Performance, and Institutional Standards. An applicant must: (A)	Have designed and executed an archaeological study as evidenced by a thesis or dissertation, and have been awarded an advanced degree, such as an M.A., M.S., Ph. D, D. Sc. Or official A.B.D., from an accredited institution, in archaeology, anthropology, history, Classics or other germane discipline with a specialization in archaeology. 1985 Directory of Certified Professional Archeologists (Society of Professional Archeologists), tenth edition, January 1985, p. 3

Goodman was a Certified Member of SOPA with certification in “Theoretical or Archival Research.” (1987 Directory of Certified Professional Archeologists Twelfth Edition, The Society of Professional Archeologists [SOPA], p 23, March 1987 [William Lovis, Secretary-Treasurer, Michigan State University Museum, East Lansing, MI 48824-1045, 517-355-2370]). Established in 1976, SOPA was an association of professional practitioners of archaeology in North America. There were two categories of affiliation: Certified Member, and Certification in one or more areas of emphasis without membership. Before Certification and/or Membership was granted an individual's qualifications were assessed. The basic responsibilities of SOPA were to define professionalism in archaeology, to provide a measure against which to evaluate archaeological recommendations and research, and to furnish a forum for a challenge to such recommendations and research. All Certified Professional Archaeologists, whether Members or not, agreed to adhere to a code of ethics and standards of research performance. SOPA published an annual Directory of Certified Professional Archaeologists and a Newsletter. After 22 years of operation, however, SOPA was wound up and transformed into the Register of Professional Archaeologists. http://www.answers.com/topic/society-of-professional-archaeologists Gelnd (talk) 00:04, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Changes to 07:30, 9 April Dougweller
Changes to 07:30, 9 April Dougweller Gelnd (talk) 02:51, 13 April 2011 (UTC) Under the heading of Jeffrey Goodman: Added the sentence “His more recent work has been in Biblical archeology.” This sentence is a restoration of a sentence that was in 3:54, 2 April 2011 Dougwller. This sentence is needed for balance. A book review in ForeWord Reviews says, “An archeologist and a geologist, Dr. Goodman has devoted over twenty years to the study of the bible. *. Under the heading Flagstaff Excavation: Removed a portion of the inaccurate sentence which the 3:54, 2 April 2011 Dougweller attributed to Williams, and put in the exact words used by Williams. This 3:54 2, April quote says: He stated that he had found what he considered were the most important artifacts in human history. These were known as the "Flagstaff Stone" and the "Native First People Stone." Aside from these artifacts were pieces of charcoal, and stone tools; including choppers and scrapers. [1] Williams actually wrote: The “Flagstaff stone” is thought to be approximately one hundred thousand years old and possibly “one of the most important artifacts ever found in the whole word” says Goodman, citing in the last instance Alexander Marshack of Harvard’s Peabody Museum. 3 [Goodman 1981:214.] (pp. 301 &354) Williams, Stephen. "Psychic Archaeology." Fantastic Archaeology: the Wild Side of North American Prehistory. The reference to a Native First People Stone has been dropped just as the subhead Native First People Stone was dropped in 19:41, 8 April Dougweller. There is no reference for a Native First People Stone in any of Goodman’s writings. Excavation at Flagstaff took place in 1973, 1975, 1977, and 1979. The Flagstaff Stone was found in 1979 when Dr. Alan Bryan of the University of Alberta and his team conducted excavations at the site. In both Bryan’s and Goodman’s field reports to the Forest Service the only engraved stone that is referenced is the Flagstaff Stone. Details about the Flagstaff stone were given by Goodman in a research report at the Southwest General Session at the Forty Fifth Annual Meeting of the Society for American Archaeology on May 3, 1980. The report was titled: “A Paleo-Indian Engraved Stone from Flagstaff, Arizona.”  References by the Williams and others in earlier versions of this BLP article to a “Native First People Stone” show that they are confused about what was found at the excavation. Others statements by these sources in the article show that they are also confused about the project’s research design in regard to using psychics in archeology, which is not unlike the police sometimes using psychics to help solve cases. Before the Flagstaff dig was begun specific predictions were made and notarized for what a 10 foot square, 23 foot deep shaft that was to be dug would encounter. The predictions of two archeologists were used as a control. They predicted that only some artifacts might be found in the first 4 feet, but after that nothing would be found or that we would hit bedrock. The controls added that finding evidence of man earlier than 15,000 B.C. was doubly impossible. A change that I would like permission to make. Under the heading Flagstaff Excavation: I would like to remove this inaccurate sentence that uses Kenneth Feder as a source: Through "psychic clues" he predicted that an excavation there would find "carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing" as well as an underground tunnel system, domesticated horses and other artifacts, none of which were actually found at the site.[2] This is what Kenneth Feder actually wrote which says that Goodman’s psychic not Goodman made these predictions: Goodman’s psychic predicted that excavators would find the following at the “site”: “carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather, and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing” (1981:128). . . None of the predicted items was, in fact, discovered at the site. Feder, Kenneth L. (6th edition (Feb 2008)). Frauds, Myths and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology. 978-0077274030. p. 293. This is what Goodman actually wrote about the psychic’s predictions about a hypothetical full-scale excavation, where Goodman is merely reporting what was said to him, but did not subscribe to. “Aron’s (one of the psychics discussed in the book) readings on the hypothetical full-scale excavation said that we would find evidence of other sophisticated practices as well – carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather, and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing. He even cited a mysterious underground tunnel system.”. Goodman writes about how the psychics he spoke with told him a variety of things. But the only the specific predictions made for a 10 foot square 23 foot deep test shaft were notarized and tested. The sentence to be removed is not only inaccurate but it is a misrepresentation of what actually took place took place.

I would like to add these sentences to replace the inaccurate sentence and accurately conclude the section on the Flagstaff Stone:Through "psychic clues" he predicted that the excavation of a 10 foot wide test pit there would find stone tools from 4 to 20 feet, a minimum date of 20,000 years at the 15 foot level, a geological disconformity at the 15 foot level, a date of 100,000 years at 20 feet, and some human and animal skeletal material at the 20 foot plus level. As predicted, except for the human skeletal material, all of these things were found. . In the 1979 dig season Dr. Alan Bryan of the University of Alberta and his team excavated at the site, and they found an engraved stone at 23 feet that is called the “Flagstaff Stone.” The “Flagstaff Stone” is thought to be approximately one hundred thousand years old and possibly “one of the most important artifacts ever found in the whole word” says Goodman, citing in the last instance Alexander Marshack of Harvard’s Peabody Museum. 3 [Goodman 1981:214.] (pp. 301 &354) Williams, Stephen. "Psychic Archaeology." Fantastic Archaeology: the Wild Side of North American Prehistory.

Jeffrey Goodman re: Change to 5:38, 13 April Smack Bot
Change to 5:38, 13 April Smack Bot ~ Removed this inaccurate sentence that uses Kenneth Feder as a source: Through "psychic clues" he predicted that an excavation there would find "carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing" as well as an underground tunnel system, domesticated horses and other artifacts, none of which were actually found at the site.[2]

This is what Kenneth Feder actually wrote which says that Goodman’s psychic not Goodman made these predictions: Goodman’s psychic predicted that excavators would find the following at the “site”: “carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather, and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing” (1981:128). . . None of the predicted items was, in fact, discovered at the site. Feder, Kenneth L. (6th edition (Feb 2008)). Frauds, Myths and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archaeology. 978-0077274030. p. 293.

This is what Goodman actually wrote about the psychic’s predictions about a hypothetical full-scale excavation, where Goodman is merely reporting what was said to him, but did not subscribe to. Aron’s (one of the psychics discussed in the book) readings on the hypothetical full-scale excavation said that we would find evidence of other sophisticated practices as well – carvings, paintings, wooden ankhs, cured leather, and parchment scrolls with hieroglyphiclike writing. He even cited a mysterious underground tunnel system. .

The sentence removed was not only inaccurate but it is a misrepresentation of what actually was being tested and what was found. Goodman in “Psychic Archeology” writes about how the psychics he spoke with told him a variety of things. But the only the specific predictions made for a 10 foot square 23 foot deep test shaft were notarized and tested. The sentences that have been added tell what actually was tested and what was found. Joseph K. Long, Ph.D., an anthropologist at the University of New Hampshire wrote in Extrasensory Ecology: Parapsychology and Anthropology that: “As predicted, 1) crude stone tools from four to 20 feet were found, 2) a geologic disconformity occurred at the 15 foot level, and 3) a minimum date of 20,000 years . . .” was supported by radiocarbon dating of approximately 23,000 B.C., thus making it one of the oldest fully documented sites in America. Excavations have now revealed a probable date of around 100,000 B.C. at 21 feet, and a well-cut blade has recently been taken at the 28-foot level. Considering the millions of cubic yards of earth excavated for cities, dams, roads, and the research for America’s “oldest man” in the past 30 years, this event seems of high importance.  Regardless of how one states it, the odds against the predictions’ being accurate about the location of the site alone were very high. In sum, the psychic hypothesis would seem to be correct. . Another reliable source that supports what Goodman found at Flagstaff appears in Opening the Inner Eye: Explorations on the Practical Application of Intuition in Daily Life and Work by William H. Kautz (Sc.D., M.I.T.) a former Staff Scientist at SRI International. Dr. Kautz wrote: Jeffrey Goodman, working with intuitive Aron Abrahamsen [AA], was directed to a specific remote piece of land near Flagstaff, Arizona and told what he would find if he dug there. Following this counsel, Goodman subsequently excavated at various levels a large number of artifacts dating back 30,000 years, just as Abrahamsen had predicted.14 (Goodman, Jeffrey, Psychic Archeology, G.P. Putnam, 1977). . Sociologist Laile Bartlett, Ph.D. in Psi Trek tells how about fifty archeologists have come to inspect the stone tools Goodman found at Flagstaff and she writes: Though not all are convinced, those I consulted took the Goodman find seriously. Richard MacNeish of the Peabody Foundation for Archaeology said, “I want to know more about the context in which the specimens are found: those chipped objects do look man made.” The plot continues. In 1979, Alan Bryan of the University of Alberta brought his own team to the site, which in 3 weeks of digging turned up another tantalizing piece, a stone some believe was intentionally engraved by humans. . Gelnd (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Jeffrwy Goodman
April 20, 2011Gelnd (talk) 17:11, 20 April 2011 (UTC) This information was added about Goodman’s education and accreditation to balance out the article’s opening line which says that Goodman was “originally known as a proponent and practicer of psychic archaeology.”

He holds a geological engineering degree from the Colorado School of Mines, a M.A. in anthropology from the University of Arizona, and a Ph.D. in anthropology from California Coast University. He also earned a M.B.A. from Columbia University Graduate School of Business. *. He was accredited by the former Society of Professional Archeologists from 1978 to 1987. .http://www.answers.com/topic/society-of-professional-archaeologists

Jeffrey Goodman re: comets
April 20 Goodman does not use Christian sources, other than me trying to say how some passages of scripture have been interpreted by others. In the book he is highly critical of Christian sources, pointing out how they know very little about archeology (esp. the Sumerians), geology and astronomy. Goodman’s sources are predominantly leading scholars from the fields of archeology, geology, and astronomy. For example, he repeatedly refers to the work of geoscientist John Lewis, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus of Planetary Science Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, University of Arizona. Lewis is recognized as one of the world's leading experts on cosmic impact. His book Comet and Asteroid Impacts: Quantitative Modeling of Hazards in a Populated Earth is a benchmark for the field. In the index there are 18 references to Lewis’s work. There is also the British astronomer and comet science expert Victor Clube (27 index refs.), and a number of British and Australian astronomers. In geology one of his main sources is Dallas Abbott of Columbia's Lamont-Doherty Observatory (oceanography/geophysics) and the Holocene Impact Working Group. If you look at the bibliography you will see that the books, periodicals, specialized publications, and websites there are predominately scientific sources. Gelnd (talk) 22:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Jeffrey Goodman April 25, 2011
Gelnd (talk) 21:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC) Re: experience as a geologist: Los Angeles Times Staff Writer in a story “Unorthodox Scientist- Going Out on a Limb on the Origins of Man” (View, Part V, pp. 1-2, February 23, 1981) wrote “Goodman…selected oil exploration as an early career.” Goodman worked for Standard Oil of New Jersey from 1966 to 1969 and the Stratigraphic Oil Company out of Denver from 1969 to 1971. Goodman’s degree in geological engineering is a Professional Degree from the Colorado School of Mines that required significant field work, a dissertation and 166 credit hours. Re: the “proverbial” Garden of Eden The San Diego Union quotes Goodman as saying that “The proverbial Garden of Eden may have been North America in Southern California.” The key word here is “proverbial” as in a figurative Garden as opposed to a literal Garden. . Re: Goodman being an archeologist and not just a writer:  He has been accredited by the Society of Professional Archeologists. He has conducted research and excavations at the Flagstaff, Arizona in 1973, 1975, 1977, and 1979. This entailed the excavation of a 10 foot square that reached a depth of 35 feet with a tunnel that went back 20 feet at this depth. Many archeology students participated. Over 50 archeologists and geologists have visited the site. Beyond excavation, Goodman supervised pollen studies, magnetic orientation studies, petrographic studies, geologic stratigraphy section mapping, paleosol analysis, sample collection for radiocarbon dating, use wear studies on the lithics, and a comprehensive study of all of the early man evidence found in North and South America. Dr. Paul S. Martin, Professor and Chief Scientist, Laboratory of Paleoenvironmental Studies, Department of Geosciences, University of Arizona visited the site and wrote the Forward to Goodman’s Psychic Archaeology. Martin wrote: “At Flagstaff, I was impressed with Jeff’s field technique, willing to believe his geological-age interpretation…” In 1979 Dr. Alan Bryan and others from the University of Alberta dug at the site. Field reports were filled with the Forest Service who had jurisdiction over the site. Scientific papers have been presented at American Anthropological Association and Society of American Archeology meetings. The Flagstaff stone has been studied by three separate petrographers and a number of experts in Paleolithic art who have written up their assessments in. To understand the engraved lines lines on the stone Goodman has done computer analysis and consulted with mathematicians and statisticians. A literature search has resulted in the finding of a “sister stone” with the same set of unique angles and mathematically important line proportions. Goodman has also been able to relate the pattern on the engraving to a number of important things from the ancient world. A manuscript about these findings has been written and will soon be published.

Goodman does independent archeological research and his books are based on this research. His knowledge of geology and ancient Near Eastern texts and archeology let him make improved translations of Biblical texts that deal with catastrophe. Re: his book The Comets of God ForeWord Reviews wrote: “His book addresses pertinent information lost in bad translations of original Hebrew manuscripts, clarifying key words, and demonstrating the likelihood that his astronomical explanations make more sense than other potential causes such as nuclear war.” *.

While Goodman no longer advocates psychic archeology, Dr. Joseph Long wrote:“Whatever may come from psychic archeology, it is likely eventually to have two profound results: (1)  an expansion of our understanding of paranormal phenomena which have previously not been observable by double-blind experimentation…”.

Goodman’s American Genesis included a comprehensive look at all of the early man evidence found in North and South America and called for much earlier dates for man in the Americas. And there was a chapter about Sinking the Bering Bridge. . In Wikipedia please see the article “Clovis culture” and the subsection Evidence of human habitation before Clovis Clovis cultureThis subsection lists a number of possible pre- Clovis sites.

In The Genesis Mystery Goodman called for a Multiregional origin of modern humans with modern man going back 250,000 years. In Wikipedia please see Archaic Homo sapiens • Anatomically modern humans (H. s. idaltu • H. s. sapiens) for new discoveries that are pushing the dates for modern man back. In The Genesis Mystery there is also a chapter called “More Serious Problems” with a subhead called the “Coexistence Of Different Species” that begins on page 158. Goodman explained how this speaks against “the unilinear theory of human evolution.” In an August 20/August 27, 2007 (p.15) article by science writer Sharon Begley in Newsweek called “Evolution-Branches on the Tree” she writes: “The presence of numerous Homo species, whoever they were, would still mean many human ancestors living simultaneously. That leads to the real puzzle. If throughout human evolution several species of ancestors lived at the same time, why is Homo sapiens the one and only species of human on the planet today?”

Goodman also said that our models of evolution contained sampling errors and that new species were yet to be found. Well today we have the Denisova hominin from Denosova Cave in Altai, Russia, an unknown species of genus of Homo whose DNA was previously unknown; and the so-called little people or “hobbits,” H. floresiensis from the island of Flores in Indonesia; and several  pre- modern individuals from Bilzingliben Germany found  with a possible engraving. The Wikipedia article on Bilzingsleben (Paleolithic site) says: “One bone fragment, an elephant tibia, has two groups of 7 and 14 incised parallel lines and might represent an early example of art. The regular spacing of the incisions, their subequal lengths and V-like cross-sections suggest they were created at the same time, with a single stone tool. The tibia dates to between 350,000 and 400,000 years ago.[1] The interpretation as an early calendar is unlikely.”

Goodman in The Genesis Mystery (pages 230-260) also drew a comparison between the shamanic buffalo hunting culture of the Sioux and other Plains Indians and the apparent shamanic culture of Cro-Magnon man. For example, a cave painting found in France depicts a dancing shaman wearing a buffalo robe and headdress, and depictions of different types of finger amputation from a cave in the French Pyrenees brings to mind similar amputations practiced by the historic Plains Indians of America. In this section of the book Goodman who has studied shamanism points out many other aspects from Upper Paleolithic art and material culture that make it clear that shamanism was being practiced. Interestingly, a Wikipedia article called the Solutrean theory first proposed in 1998 calls for people from the Upper Paleolithic Solutrean culture of Spain and France,  having travelled by boat across the Atlantic Ocean to America and influencing the Clovis culture of the Paleo-Indians based on the similarity of the lithics (bifacial, percussion and pressure-flaked points) of the two cultures. Wikipedia says “One major challenge to the hypothesis involves the apparent lack of cultural or artistic practices being passed on from Solutrean culture to Clovis culture, for instance the style of Solutrean artwork found at Altamira in Spain and Lascaux in France.” The Genesis Mystery seems to offer some help in establishing a cultural connection between the two cultures, but Goodman would have the Paleo-Indians bringing this culture to the Solutreans during the Sangamon interglacial;  rather than the Solutrean’s bringing this culture to the Paleo-Indians via a boat ride from east to west 17,500 years ago.

Goodman has done a detailed analysis of the layout of the ancient Mexican site of Chichen Itza. He has discovered that the site and some of the buildings, such as the wall cuts at the Caracol, conform to a geometrical pattern with a unique set of angles and mathematically important line proportions. A report on this is contained in a manuscript about ancient mathematics that will soon be published.

Goodman has done a photographic study of two skulls found in the Boundary Waters area of Minnesota in 1968. These skulls have brow ridges, low foreheads, with thin skull walls, and they appear archaic. Some archeologists have associated them with an early type of man or even Neanderthals, while others have said that they are inbreed. Goodman photographed them together with casts of important hominid skulls from around the world that lived before the appearance of fully modern man. New data is being sought.

Added information about the Flagstaff Stone
The comments attributed to Marshack by Stephen Williams are inconsistent with the report and slides that Marshack sent to Goodman, the two letters Marshack sent to Goodman about the “Flagstaff Stone,” and Dr. Alan Bryan’s letter to Goodman conveying his conversation with Marshack about the stone when they met. Marshack agreed with Goodman that the final determination of the stone should come from the geologists who examine the stone. Marshack also advised a thin cross section study of one of the incised lines on the stone. The stone is not lost and it is slated for further testing using the most recent and advanced petrographic techniques. Many have commented on the stone without knowing much about it. Goodman’s report on the stone, including the findings of three geologists from the three different universities is available at >*. The Bailey Library and Archives at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science has agreed to archive paper copies of Pleistocene Coalition News (PCN) and make them available to the public. Gelnd (talk) 05:26, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope that any further testing is published in peer reviewed journals. The Pleistocene coaltion is a fringe group and not a reliable source except for the author's own opinions. I've reworded your edit to make it clear that these are Goodman's claims, not fact, and removed a bit that looks like argument. Dougweller (talk) 15:52, 18 December 2011 (UTC)