Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses and the United Nations/Archive 1

Here we go!
This is actually the issue that led to my inactivity. I discovered this by accident in the course of my job. I have written two letters on the issue, one to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. and one to the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. The second one was addressed differently because the first was responded to by the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The response to my second letter was sent to my local body of elders instead of to me. They refused to allow me to read the second response. I have been threatened with disfellowshipping if I publicize this issue. Well, my father knows I am an editor for Wikipedia. This project came up and I jumped on it with both feet.

I believe we should keep the article free of misdirection and unimportant fluff. It does not matter what the reason for association was, so I did not include that point. It does not matter that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society calls the relationship a "registration," because that isn't the kind of relationship it was (provable on public record) so I didn't include that point. It doesn't matter that requests for details regarding this relationship fall on deaf ears, so I didn't include that point.

The main thrust of this article should be sticking with pure, substantiable fact. The interpretation of JWs on this issue is incredibly suspect. I have had all sorts of hypothetical constructs thrown my way, but there is no getting around this simple, pure truth: This Association, the nature of the relationship, directly violates the stand on neutrality. Please discuss changes to this article before making them. Additions are welcome but are subject to review. I have any support needed for my statements readily available. Respectfully, Evident 14:26, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

I like it the way it is but a link from the main page is needed.--Greyfox 02:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Then insert it where you see fit. To insert a link, just put the name of the article that you want the link to between and  . For example, a link to this article would be Jehovah's Witnesses and the United Nations . If you want different text to appear as the linked text, just do it like this: This is the name of the article you want to link to . Note that vertical pipe (the | character) in there. The easiest way to learn all about this stuff, which is what I do, is to just look at the source of pages that do whatever it is you're interested in.Tommstein 05:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

NPOV Verbage that needs to be altered to reflect non-combative tone
The following two sentences are distinctly slanted and need to be altered. They are:

"Considering the views of Jehovah's Witnesses as adopted in the 1963 Resolution, it is somewhat shocking for Jehovah's Witnesses..."

Shocking is an assumption that presupposes a response on the part of a group of individuals. Present facts, please do not editorialize them with personal biases.

"The act of applying to associate to the UN/DPI constituted a breach of trust and an overstepping of the agreement in the 1963 Resolution."

Breach of trust is value-judgement of the facts presented. Again, this is NPOV language that needs to reflect a balanced tone. Thx.


 * There, fixed. First one was fixed by narrowing the application to just "some" Witnesses, which is indisputably true if you've visited any websites or read any forum postings from any of these pissed off people. Second one was fixed by just removing the whole trust issue completely.Tommstein 08:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Thx that does resolve the matter. Retcon 21:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Sure, no problem.Tommstein 22:13, 11 December 2005 (UTC)