Talk:Jem Mace

facts of his career
While Mace beat Tom Allen in 1870 when Mace was already nearly 40, he essentially retired after that. His only significant fight after was with Joe Coburn in 1871 which ended in a draw. He fought exhibitions and pseudo-fights against older boxers like Bill Davis in 1876, but his true career as any sort of champion ended with the Allen fight.

Tom Allen continued to claim the championship due to Mace's inactivity and/or retirement. 66.226.193.82 22:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the point of deleting the Ted Pooley story. It demonstrates what kind of man Mace was, has a quotation of his own words and is clearly set out in David Frith's book. johnnybriggs (talk) 05:53, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I want to know if he Romani or not? Is it a myth or was it true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.70.62.59 (talk) 11:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

May have been traveller but not Gypsy
Mace is definetely not a Romani surname. There are actually not that many true Romani surname but most families of the English travelling community are infact of a European descent. Examples of true Anglo-Romani names are Locke, Boswell, Lee, Marshall, Smith, Cooper. Up until the early 1900s the Romani would not intergrate with non-Romani travellers. Around this time non-Romani travellers would just call themselves as "travellers" and wouldn't take too kind to being labelled a "Gypsy". Most English traveller of a non-Romani descent were of an East London origin who lived in the countryside during the summer months in tents, shacks and caravans to supply the thousands of needed labourers for the farms. Other travelling groups are the Irish travellers (also called Tinkers, Shelta & Nidi) and the showmen (circus & fairground travellers). Often fairground travllers were good bare knuckle prize fighters as it was part of the old fairground shows. Also the Irish as a whole in the old traditional way would settle a dispute with fists. This is also a part of Irish traveller culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 (talk) 06:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Also Welsh travellers are distinct. Romani would integrate with Non-Romani travellers before the 1900s though in the Middle Ages when they arrived and for a long time after. The vast majority of Romani travellers/Gypsies are actually just Native British now and most travellers in general are British or Irish. 86.7.140.64 (talk) 18:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

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Why is this fight not in Mace's professional record?
"On 6 April 1871, Mace suffered a loss in New Orleans to Gentleman Jose Alonso." How come I don't see this fight the list of Mace's professional fights? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warblerab295 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Did he really fight Tom Allen in 1876?
In July 1876, Tom Allen was the American champion. It would have been a big deal if he had lost to Mace, and he would not have held the title when he fought Joe Goss in September 1876. I can't find any newspaper reports around that time reporting the fight. What is the source of this entry? Yeadonian (talk) 19:17, 30 June 2022 (UTC)