Talk:Jemima Goldsmith/Archive 1

SOAS
How did she manage to enroll on a master's at SOAS if she hadn't matriculated through her first degree yet? Am I missing something- I thought a UG degree was always a requirement? Badgerpatrol 23:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I've no idea if this applies to her, but it is possible to do a four-year undergraduate master's degree - I did one myself. &mdash;Whouk (talk) 06:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I didn't realise that there was a four-year UG master's level course, I thought the closest equivalent was an MSci or similar. From a quick glance at the SOAS website they don't even appear to offer these, so I'm not sure what the story is. I will check it out if possible. Cheers, Badgerpatrol 23:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

She completed her UG degree via correspondence several years after she married Khan.

this sentance doesnt make sense to me
Khan and Hugh, along with Jemima's two sons Suleiman and Qasim, flew out to Barbados on Boxing Day to "see" in 2006 together. to see one another? out to sea? anybody got an idea? Qrc2006 21:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * To "see in" a year together means to be together at mdnight on New Year's Eve, and more generally over the period when the year changes. &mdash;Wh o  uk (talk) 08:34, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

still a Muslim?
I wonder if she's still a Muslim, after her divorce, given that she doesn't use her Muslim name nor undertake any religious observances? This Fire Burns Always  06:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

You're incorrect. She decided to retain her married name (as mentioned in the article) which suggests that she is still a Muslim. Which is why I agree with the comment above that this article should be titled "Jemima Khan" and redirect her previous name to it, not vice-versa.

Missing Endnotes
While there are seven endnote numbers, only three endnotes appear at the end. Ruthless editing? Or is the Wiki software not handling endnotes properly?

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Her Religion
I hate to bring this up, but the interview clearly states that she was raised a Protestant and not Jewish Kdebem 11:57, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Break up with Hugh Grant
I don't think the fact that the news of their break-up with Hugh Grant was released on Feb 16th means that they broke up that day. Would it not be more accurate to leave it at Feb 16th? (89.176.78.112 10:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC))

Former Jews Cat needs to be created
I dont see why this cat doesnt exist.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 15:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Early life and education
is inappropriate for an English person at an English university. I've changed it to. Spicemix (talk) 21:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Changed to focusing in. I'm not sure the audience outside the UK would understand the "reading" term. I agree it's not her Major, which is already listed. AngusWOOF (talk) 21:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Current religion status
As far as I know, Islam is the religion she publicly identified herself as. WP:CAT/R If she has stated otherwise, then please add a reliable source to back it up. AngusWOOF (talk) 03:21, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * "As far as I know" doesn't cut it. We know, and can source, that she professed Islam when she married Khan. However that was some time ago and there is reasonable doubt as to whether she continues to. Yet this too is a highly contentious statement and there's no way we can state any such renunciation. In the meantime we're limited to saying nothing, or (as I tried to yesterday) qualifying just what we could state with certainty and indicating that the rest was unspecified. I don't see a blanket "Islam" as any improvement on this. Certainly not when the article has at previous times claimed some rather outlandish interpretations, such as "English-born Pakistani Muslim" Andy Dingley (talk) 10:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Stating it as "Islam (converted (year))" as you had it is good too as that is sourced. There are examples of public figures changing their faith, possibly embracing more than one faith, and plenty more who aren't actively practicing their faith in the public spotlight or to some standard that their religious community expects. Katie Holmes was in a similar situation this year so I'm waiting for that "she became a registered parishoner" kind of source. But Khan has kept that part vague as she continues to be involved in Pakistan. AngusWOOF (talk) 14:37, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Semiprotected
There has been some unhelpful to-and-fro with someone seeking to label Ms. Khan as a "socialite" in the lead. It seems likely that this is politically motivated, given recent events, so I have applied semi-protection for a month. Hopefully that will not unduly inconvenience genuine attempts to improve the article, feel free to ask no my talk page if you have issues with this. Guy (Help!) 15:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

There is an ungrammatical sentence in the opening paragraph. It should say she converted to Islam a few months before her marriage.--AnnaAtTheAmbler (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Fixed sentence. Thanks for pointing that out! AngusWOOF (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Page Really Warranted?
Aside from inheriting a great deal of money, the utter nothingness of this person really cannot warrant a separate entry into Wikipedia. She is the daughter of Sir James Goldsmith - that really is all there is to her - all the rest just flowed from that.She is a 'Socialite'- they are ten a penny, and are perfectly capable of paying to have someone run a pseudo-blog for them on Facebook. Vote to have it removed? 212.139.103.243 (talk) 00:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC)twl212.139.103.243 (talk) 00:57, 23 July 2011 (UTC) Answering your question - this page is really interesting because of her Children, who are Jewish having inherited that through their mother in the Jewish religion. Jemima Khan, nee Goldsmith, is the daughter of a billionaire zionist Jew. I'm guessing she was mated with Imran Khan to produce Jewish kids who will one day rule Pakistan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimble2010 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
 * For as long as Tara Palmer-Tomkinson gets a wiki page, I think Jemima merits one. It's the equivalent of minor royalty, who may not be notable in their own right. Valetude (talk) 12:14, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Personal life section
What parts of her article should be in Personal Life? As I understand it, her notability comes mainly from her marriage to Imran Khan which launched her career involvement with Pakistan politics, writing and related organizations; and her relationship with Hugh Grant, which gathered much press for several years, so those sections should stay. Perhaps the details regarding her kids can move to a personal life section as those births aren't particularly notable, as well as her relationship involving Russell Brand. -AngusWOOF (talk) 14:36, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Last name change
She has said that since her ex-husband has moved on and remarried, she is going back to her maiden name, Goldsmith. British media are referring to her again as Jemima Goldsmith. Should the page name be updated? Wikimandia (talk) 14:45, 7 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The bulk of her career and biography has been under her married name, so Jemima Khan should be retained as her common name. However, new writeups about what she has been doing since changing her name back can refer to her as Goldsmith. -AngusWOOF (talk) 15:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Using two names to refer one person sounds odd. Either drop Khan or never use Goldsmith. --Saqib (talk) 22:41, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Having two names in the article isn't that odd especially when it comes to Metta World Peace and Cat Stevens. Also, she changed her Twitter to Goldsmith in 2001. What isn't clear yet (perhaps I haven't seen the right article) is whether she is legally dropping the name. -AngusWOOF (talk) 23:03, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like you've gone ahead with the name change. I still recommend that the bulk of the Pakistan activities and journalism history be kept under Khan. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:38, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Still waiting to see reports if she legally drops the Khan name. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:40, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Her religion is not Islam anymore
The source that states she still practices islam is from 1995. When she changed her name she said "I like it represents my Jewish identity"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2777245/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-No-Khan-Jemima-changing-name.html http://www.thejc.com/comment/mediawatch/jemima-khan-rediscovers-her-jewishness

She has not been involved since her divorce either, the latest update was her dating Russell Brand, her organizations were controlled after she left Why is the the religion section necessary, if it's uncertain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.116.246.149 (talk) 7 February 2015


 * Based on these two sources, she appears to be identifying with both religions, especially Daily Mail (dated October 2014) which she self-identifies as "Juslim". -AngusWOOF (talk) 05:40, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

RFC: Jemima Goldsmith (Khan) self-identifies as two religions
Should the infobox religion entry list Jemima Goldsmith (Khan) as both Judaism and Islam? -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:56, 8 February 2015 (UTC) Comment: I would like some comments as to how to classify Jemima Goldsmith (formerly Jemima Khan)'s religious status. She started with a Jewish and Christian background, then converted to Islam where she married Imran Khan in 1995, but divorced later. In October 2014, she announced she was dropping the Khan name and one article from Daily Mail has her self-identifying as a "Juslim", embracing both religions. Is that sufficient to categorise her under Judaism and Islam? -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:56, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose mentioning religion in the infobox at this time. The Daily Mail piece reads like gossip to me, with swipes at Hugh Grant and Russell Brand, and rank speculation about attitudes in Lahore. I take the "Juslim" remark as a joke about blended identity rather than a declaration that she intends to practice both religions simultaneously. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  00:41, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I believe she was referring only to her name, Jemima being Hebrew and the Khan being Muslim. I don't think there are any indications she has converted to/is practicing Judaism. Wikimandia (talk) 04:48, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose and, instead, remove any answer to the religion field in the infobox. The field currently says "Islam" and is linked to a 1995 news source. That's not up-to-date enough. We simply don't know. To interpret the "Juslim" remark is impermissible original research. On the sources available it seems that we simply don't know what her present religious identification is so should say nothing on the matter in the infobox. --Mkativerata (talk) 10:36, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose As other users have stated, let's keep her religion out of the info box until a more recent source confirms which religion she truly practices. Meatsgains (talk) 01:03, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:BLP which clearly states: Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. This falls clearly into this category, religion shouldn't be mentioned until a reliable source can be provided. -War wizard90 (talk) 00:09, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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Islam
Has Jemima Apostate of Islam http://faithfreedom.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.40.95 (talk) 19:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Is there any reason for the 'out of wedlock' comment? Seems irrelevant and is an old-fashioned phrase with moralising connotations. Marthiemoo (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it is an accurate description of her birth and is very relevant to her family background. Her mother herself once homourously claimed that only her youngest son Ben was a "legitimate Goldsmith."  It is not a moral statement, just a phrase of fact. Busillis (talk) 13:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I took your suggestion. Since the parents were married anyway, it does make it irrelevant. Thanks. Busillis (talk) 11:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

List of British Jews —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.211.142.96 (talk) 18:57, 7 April 2011 (UTC) Jemima Khan is being libelled anonymously in this disgraceful article. What I had written was far superior to the ridiculous nonsense about her personal life: namely, "Jemima Marcelle Khan* (born 30 January 1974) is a British-born and UK-based Pakistani journalist and social commentator. Her incisive observations and writings about her adopted country have been widely praised especially in recent days." Nobody is interested in her origins or her love affairs or her marriage so much as her observations and writings on Pakistan. Nobody who is objective or decent that is. Seekers2008 (talk) 00:32, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

British Jews? She isn't. Her father wasn't either. Her paternal grandmother (Sir James Goldsmith's mother) was a French Catholic. So he isn't - can't be - a Jew, and neither can Jemima, reinforced by the fact that she has an Anglican mother.

So what remains of her "Jewishness"? A Jewish sounding name.

Give me a break, you who are obsessed with anything, however remotely, connected to "Jews".

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French name Marcelle
She received "Marcelle" as second name, in honor of her French grand-mother, Marcelle Mouiller.

See: https://gw.geneanet.org/wikifrat?lang=en&pz=honore+gabriel&nz=de+riqueti+de+mirabeau&p=james&n=goldsmith — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.91.248.85 (talk) 17:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)