Talk:Jennifer Hudson/Archive 1

POV
I don't know much about this topic at all, but the paragraph surrounding the controvery around her being voted off looks like it written by a BIG fan. "3 best contestants"? No cite for "bit of a controversy" line, either. Jweed 21:48, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Middle name
Jennifer Hudson's middle name is Kate which probably comes from her grandmother who also had Kate as a middle name. http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:aeuvApIn2cIJ:www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/8468635.htm+%22Jennifer+Kate+Hudson%22&hl=en This cached page lists her as Jennifer Kate Hudson 66.177.3.102 04:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Photo
Is there anyway we can add a photo? There was one there before but it's gone now. I'm sure we can get a photo from her site or from a Dreamgirls trailer. CaravaggioFan 04:55, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Homosexuals

 * Thank you MIS= in the 21st century. She did not volunteer her private views, they were pried out of her and then she was taken to task when they turned out to be something other than the answer homosexuals were looking for, with such typical vehemence that she was practically forced to recant her remarks just to stay in the business.  This used to be America where people were allowed to have their own opinion.  To the average American who is not as jaded and out of touch as Hollywood is, this episode shows clearly who the intolerant ones really are.  I think all of this is highly relevant to the article. 70.16.252.23 01:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)jen is very strong and extravigent.


 * Actually, many homosexuals (myself included) praised her for accepting homosexuality as no more a 'sin' to the Christian mindset than any other sin. I have yet to see any 'browbeating' for what is a fairly liberal Christian interpretation of homosexuality as a sin. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.162.219.149 (talk) 08:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC).
 * 12-07-2006 "In a recent interview, I was asked how I reconciled being a Christian with performing at events for my gay fans. I find it upsetting that some folks equate being a Christian with being intolerant of gay people. That may, unfortunately, be true for some, but it is not true for me. I have talked often of my love and support of the gay community. I have said again and again that it was the gay community that supported me long before and long after AMERICAN IDOL, and kept me working and motivated. It is the gay community that celebrated my voice and my size and my personality long before DREAMGIRLS. Yes, I was raised Baptist. Yes, I was taught that the Bible has certain views on homosexuality. The Bible also teaches us not to judge. It teaches us to love one another as God loves us all. I love my sister, my two best friends and my director dearly. They happen to be gay. So what? While some search for controversy, I hope that my friends and fans who know me, know where I stand."

From Jennifer Hudson's official website. A liberal Christian view of homosexuality for which she has not been widely criticised - at least, not by homosexuals. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.162.219.149 (talk) 08:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Indeed, those remarks apparently came shortly after she received the aforementioned browbeating in the homosexual media. Typical sample:


 * "There exists in all of Gaydom perhaps no greater paradox than the one represented by the inner struggle of the Bible-thumping diva, who would have no career if not for the Gays who idolize them, but whose strict religious upbringing teaches them that God looks unkindly on the shirtless, sodomizing hordes gazing worshipfully up at them from the dancefloors below. No, not even Jennifer Hudson, recently anointed Gay Man's Messiah for her up-from-the-American-Idol-ashes, Beyoncé-upstaging turn as Effie in Dreamgirls, is immune from the fanbase-alienating phenomenon... Hudson is a novice at the media junket game, and we suspect all it will take is one such slip-up before she learns the hard way of just how quickly the Gays can taketh away whatever squealy adulation they choose to give."


 * ...etc... Note, the not-so-subtle threats made against her career throughout this page, as if these are her only fans who matter, while the vast majority of Americans who feel differently, do not. We only get to make our voice heard on election days. Meanwhile, we witness as yet another bright young person is obliged to trade her soul for fleeting worldly fame. 70.16.252.23 04:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you find it so relevant then find sources and write up a new section about it. Also please try to remain civil when discussing things on the talk page.--Joebengo 02:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
This page needs cleanup and sorting. For example, the "Background" section has current events such news about her "Vogue" cover. This should be in a separate section. In addition, there are no sources attributing the quotes of most of the Dreamgirls reviews. This is why I added the tags. SKS2K6 08:58, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Can this profile get a picture? Its been without one for like 2 or 3 months...there are thousands of pics online...can one of the site directors give her one?

This profile needs a picture. There are a million pics of her online, looking really nice. Can the designers of this profile please give her a picture...
 * We need a free image, not a copyrighted image. I am working on this as we speak.  m ir a nd a   01:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅  m ir a nd a   07:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't find a reference in the article for Hudson being awarded Dame Commander of the British Empire. Is this a spurious edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.210.218 (talk) 23:23, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Jennifer Hudson Day in Chicago
March 6, 2007 is Jennifer Hudson Day. There was a big celebration in Chicago at the Chicago Theatre that included Mayor Richard M. Daley and various city aldermen. 67.162.108.111 22:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Criticism on Oscar win
Should it be noted that many people expressed discomfort with her win? It seems as though some feel she didn’t deserve it over the other nominees. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.248.172.10 (talk) 20:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Happens pretty much every year. I don't see any such criticisms on the Butch & Sundance page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.191.205.56 (talk) 23:28, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

References?
Yes, you people are right, some people, especially the paparazzi, are asking, why did Jennifer get the Oscar? and all you should say if someone asks you is: Because she outsung the other nominees, out-acted the other nominees, and blew by the other nominees! Congrats on your Oscar and Academy Award! I hope you get a recording career soon!Meldshal42 20:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Biography assessment rating
WikiProject Biography Assessment

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 13:22, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Stand Up
Stand Up was available to download on her website long before it was "leaked" on Limewire but since she recorded that song (as well as Love Me or Leave Me, To Love Somebody, Where Did All The Good Men Go?) with a different company, it's doubtful it will be on her Arista cd 74.229.215.99 09:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Redundant
Wouldn't the academy award section be redundant since it is already stated in the Dreamgirls section that she won an academy award? let's look to take that out maybe..Jjkayes (talk) 13:12, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Spotlight did`nt track #1 in the us. It hasnt tracked in the top 40 in any country since its release —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.73.248 (talk) 03:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Album title
According to her music video "Spotlight", her album is called "Spotlight". It is not self-titled. Usercreate (talk) 01:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Octaves
SIX OCTAVES??? ARE YOU CRAZY?? it's not true and it's also ridiculous..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.146.197.229 (talk) 13:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source stating otherwise? DiverseMentality  (Discuss it)  20:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Mom and brother dead
Check the link: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhw1 (talk • contribs) 22:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

DELETED edit on deaths in family. I know there are Wikipedia geeks who become excited at the thought of being the first to report something new, but this is news, and belongs at Wikinews until the investigations are complete. Wikipedia articles should not be used as gossip columns for current events because they only lead to multiple changes within the first few days because of the conflicting stories trickling in from the media outlets. Give it time, Wiki geeks. Dryamaka (talk) 01:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * So not even having a summary of what is currently going on is not considered a good idea, in your book? Then the current event banner template would be therefore rendered useless. We have accurately cited information, and if anything is reported as incorrect, Wikipedia will surely correct it in the article. CarpetCrawler (talk) 01:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Dryamaka, Wikipedia policy is that well sourced and reliably reported current events are appropriate content for Wikipedia articles. Please stop deleting this content against policy.  Thank you.  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:35, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Just to add to my comment, I remind Dryamaka to remain civil, and to end the harsh hostility. Second, to add to the comment above, the current events banner even says "Information may change rapidly as the event progresses." It is a given that the info will probably change. Calling wikipedia users "Wiki geeks" who "orgasm" at the thought of being the first to report something is childish, and a little sad. Despite what you may think, not everyone here is trying to enter a popularity contest. If the information is sketchy, so be it. Add it, cite it, and add the banner saying that the information may change as more details are announced. That should alert the normal Wikipedia reader to take the information with a grain of salt, until more information is released. CarpetCrawler (talk) 01:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Again with the Wiki geeks proving themselves by citing Wiki rules Dryamaka (talk) 01:45, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Umm... no kidding? Isn't that going to be a necessity if we're defending our points? CarpetCrawler (talk) 01:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikinews claims that Jennifer's sister Julia (mother of the missing boy) has also been conspicuously absent since she finished working her shift as a bus driver. I know this is a developing story and it's normal that it isn't the article yet, but any thoughts on this? --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 02:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * This is a significant event in her life, widely reported, and the basics facts won't change. Her biography should have at least a NPOV sentence or mentioning it (but not include any of the minute by minute news reports). -- Suntag  ☼  05:46, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

She's not dead!!! Someone change that immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.28.237.131 (talk) 15:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Although the specific details are a news event and are subject to change based on new reported information, I would be willing to bet the family jewels that even when the investigation is complete, her dead family members will remain dead. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 17:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

At the time I wrote that, Jennifer Hudson was listed as dead, and that is what I meant, thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.187.46.254 (talk) 23:19, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

William Balfour
Per WP:NPF, only material relevant to his notability should be included in the article and information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability should be omitted. Material that may adversely affect a person's reputation should be treated with special care. Any such potentially damaging information about a private person, if corroborated by multiple, highly reliable sources, may be cited if the Wikipedia article states that the sources make certain "allegations", without the Wikipedia article taking a position on their truth. -- Suntag  ☼  14:22, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Brother and mother - Donerson or Hudson?
Some sources report the two murder victims as both having had the surname Hudson; others claim they were both Donerson; others that one was Donerson, the other Hudson. This article currently states the brother was Hudson. The mother is stated as Hudson in the early life subsection, but Donerson in the family deaths subsection; but there is no indication of why the mother's surname is stated as different in one place in the article to the other. The most common explanation for a woman changing her surname is her marriage. However, seeing as her father was not named Donerson or Hudson, and there is no mention in the article of the mother having married, the different surnames are unexplained in the article. Can someone clarify the situation? Werdnawerdna (talk) 20:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * From the sources in the article, none of them state her last name is Hudson. If you could direct me to a reliable source that said her last name is Hudson, then we might have more of an issue. Same with the brother, only with the surname Hudson. The problem I'm seeing is the spelling of her surname; two sources spell it Donnerson, the other three spell it as Donerson (difference by an n). Assuming this is her correct surname, what would be the correct spelling? DiverseMentality  (Boo!)  23:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

As I stated, the article first states the mother's surname, when Jennifer was born, was Hudson. The article later states that the mother's surname, at death, was Donerson. The article does not mention, at any point, why the mother's surname changed. Does anyone know? If the mother married, that should be in the article - it is relevant to a person's life, and their biography, that, in her lifetime, her mother married someone other than her father. The matter of whether Donerson is spelt with one 'n' or two also needs to be clarified. Werdnawerdna (talk) 22:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I found one source that names Hudson's mother as Darnell Hudson Donnerson (albeit in the caption and not the article itself). I'm guessing she remarried (and divorced) at some point and kept her married name. I'll also venture a guess and say that in the coming days and weeks, more information about the victims lives will be released and we might have an answer then. I do agree that any important information about their lives should be included if possible. As for the spelling, I'm seeing it spelled both way from all kinds of reliable sources so I have no idea which is actually correct.  Pinkadelica Say it...  04:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

In instances where a person's name changes, the reason should be mentioned. The mother's surname change has not been explained; the most likely explanation is that she married a Mr. Don(n)erson, but nothing in the article actually states that she did. If, at some point during Jennifer's life, her mother remarried, that is relevant to the biography, as having a stepfather is a significant aspect of a person's life. If the mother did remarry, did the parents divorce, or did they remain married until the fathers' death, and the mother reamarried after that? If the mother did remarry, was she still married to the more recent husband when she died? Werdnawerdna (talk) 10:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're leaving out the very salient point that Jennifer Hudson wasn't given her father's last name. There are other reasons why the names weren't Hudson when Jennifer and siblings were born besides divorce. Perhaps they weren't married when the children were born and mom only married someone else later. That does happen. That there isn't anything published in which to refer fairly renders the point moot. We can only write from that which has been published and in the scope of family dynamics now, it isn't a failure in the article. It's kind of beside the point. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Model?
How is she a model? I'd like to see a citation for that; and propose that the 'model' portion be removed otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.77.138.177 (talk) 04:25, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Funeral service dates need correction- references did not appear in previous submission
I am new to this, so please forgive this duplication.

My previous talk submission on this topic seems to have an error in the references not clicking through to the pages on the web-

Funeral services for the victims were on November 3, while a private service was held at Chicago's South Side Apostolic Church of God on November 10.[19]

Includes corrected date information for public service-

A public memorial service was held at Pleasant Gift Memorial Baptist Church where singer/actress Jennifer Hudson grew up, on Sunday, November 2, 2008.

The service, hosted by the Hudson family cousins, was by invitation only. Friends, family and schoolmates of 7-year-old Julian King, remembered the murder victims with anecdotes and personal stories. The doors were opened afterward for the family to receive condolences from the public, who had lined the street outside the church. Jennifer Hudson and her sister Julia Hudson, mother of Julian King, did not attend this service.

reference- http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6484474

Includes corrected date information for private service-

A private memorial service celebrating the lives of the three slain Hudson family members was held Monday, November 3, 2008 at the Apostolic Church of God on Chicago's South Side.

Jennifer Hudson stood a few moments before the caskets of her nephew, Julian King, age 7, her mother, Darnell Hudson Donerson, age 57 and brother, Jason Hudson, age 29. At one point, she reached down and tenderly kissed her mother.

Singer/actress Fantasia Barrino, who appeared with Jennifer Hudson in American Idol Season 3, delivered a heartfelt song according to funeral attenders. Fellow Idol contestant George Huff also sang.

It was reported that Jennifer's friends Queen Latifah, Missy Elliot and Oprah Winfrey were also among the 2500 mourners, as well as record producer Clive Davis and Chicago government officials including Mayor Richard Daley, who gave a message. The Reverend Jesse Jackson also spoke.

Crowds of fans lined the streets expressing their love and support for Jennifer and her family.

reference- http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6484993 MoreMoosetracks (talk) 21:33, 14 November 2008 (UTC)MoreMoosetracks

Grammy noms?
Jennifer's page lists her with four nominations, but she only received three herself. "Spotlight" is nominated for Best R&B Song, which is a songwriters' award. Ne-Yo and Stargate are the only writers for the song, so she shouldn't be included in that nomination. Jdot01 (talk) 01:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I have since removed the nomination for Best R&B Song. Jdot01 (talk) 19:44, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Picture and "other projects"
for quite some time the picture of her singing was the default. them someone changed it to the picture of her holding the oscar, which does not show her face very well. i tried to revert that edit but it was quickly undone. also, why mention the specific day that she filmed "Sex and the city" and "the secret lives of bees" as well as mentioning the exact date they opened, when instead you could discuss the plot or maybe even the $415 million box-office success of the film? Excuseme99 (talk) 01:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC

There is an advertisement in the latest Entertainment Weekly magazine about "Fragments" It is the same movie as Winged Creatures. It is also listed on the Amazon.com website as a movie being released on 8/4/09. It is the same movie

Family murders
I took out the whole paragraph detailing what was said at the parole violation hearing. Even though it made sense at the time it was current news, now all the quotes and extra information was confusing to read. I left in all the references. Maria202 (talk) 17:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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