Talk:Jenny Geddes

Cuttie-stool
According to Silverwhistle, Jenny Geddes threw a "creepie-stool", not a "cuttie-stool". Kaldari 22:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Prebble agrees, and my dictionary defines that as a folding stool. ..dave souza, talk 10:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Churches and Covenants.
Correcting the errors and misconceptions about Scottish history in this encyclopedia is becoming a little like the labours of Hercules. Well, here we go again.

The Scottish Church at the outset of Charles' reign had a full EPISCOPALIAN structure, with bishops operating both at a parliamentary and a diocesan level. The form of service, however, was more free-form Calvinism, as opposed to the highly structured Anglican liturgy. It was Charles' intention to 'improve' the plain Scottish practice with a more formal system. The Prayer Book, which was to be part of this process, was compiled, on royal instuctions, by a panel of Scottish bishops. Laud had no hand in this. The National Covenant was drawn up to challenge liturgical innovations, introduced without consent or approval. It makes no mention of bishops. These gentlemen were finally ejected from the Church by the General Assembly, held in Glasgow in November 1638. From this point, and only from this point, the Church of Scotland became fully Presbyterian.

The reference to the Covenanters 'seizing the city of Aberdeen' is misleadingly out of place. Why would they seize a city already in Scotland? It was indeed taken from local royalist forces, but only after the outbreak of the First Bishops' War in 1639.

For a fuller discussion of this subject see 'Charles, Scots and Bishops' in the talk page of the English Civil War. Rcpaterson 01:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The Translation
"Devil cause you severe pain and flatulent distention of your abdomen, false thief: dare you say the Mass in my ear?" is very humorously literal, but rather longwinded, and I suspect that the redoubtable Mrs. Geddes meant to say 'flatulent distention of your abdomen' but rather something far more succinct. So do you suppose that the translation could be done slightly more loosely to more reflect what she wanted to say? 70.16.8.52 04:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

"Flatulent distention...." is one of the definitions of Colic... but there are multiple types. As colic is still in use, and we ALL know how unhappy babies are when we have it.... perhaps no one needs to turn the perfectly clear word into something else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.148.251.0 (talk) 14:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, you might know but it's not that clear to me, and since the term's already in the original, I've used "severe pains" with a piped link to colic, and "in the abdomen" as that's what wame means. Less colourful than the full description, but more concise. . dave souza, talk 18:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Use of the word 'reverend'
'Reverend' as applied to a clergyman acts as an adjective, it is not a noun, such as 'Doctor'. As it is used as a description of a person, it is not used with the surmane alone. Thus 'The Reverend Foster' is incorrect - 'The Reverend M Foster' or 'The Reverend Michael Foster' is correct. The use of the word 'reverend' on its own as applied to a clergyman is a colloquialism of speech, and unless it is reported speech, is out of place in an enclopedia article. Osjknights (talk) 11:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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