Talk:Jenny Morris (musician)

Dab link
Their a lot Jenny Morris and non related to the musician. &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tony Senatore (talk • contribs) 06:34, 19 November 2005.


 * That's all well and good, but it still doesn't justify deleting the disambiguation link at the top of the article. I've restored it; don't delete it again. | Keithlaw 14:58, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keihlaw I don't agree with you. People are going to get confuse. You should keep these Jenny Morris sperate to avoid confusion.
 * 1. Jenny Morris Category: New Zealand musicians http://www.jennymorris.com/
 * 2. Jenny Morris (chef) Category: South Africa chef http://www.gigglinggourmet.com/
 * 3. Jenny Morris (USA) http://www.angelfire.com/pop/JennyMorris/index2.html
 * 4. Jenny Morris (author) http://books.kelkoo.co.uk/b/a/cpc_5101_vtl_author_c19201100.html
 * &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tony Senatore (talk • contribs) 07:11, 20 November 2005.
 * Because there are two Jenny Morrises in Wikipedia, there needs to be a disambiguation link at the top of the page pointing to the other one. No one is going to be confused by a sentence that specifies that this article is about the musician, not the chef. | Keithlaw 15:26, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

This is same Jenny Morris from Australia bio

- Jenny Morris (New Zealand), musician - Jenny Morris (USA), musician - Jenny Morris (Australia), sport - Jenny Morris (Africa), cook - she change her name

You think they one Tony Senatore wrong there a lot in music, some are my cousins.

Thank you Keihlaw

I try many times to get my login name name with no lucky. Thank you anyway  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 14:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

you say Jenny Morris (USA) easy I do with artists on ilike to avoid confuse —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 14:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Band Member?
Is this the same Jenny Morris that is in the band Innosense? -WarthogDemon 06:45, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No. --ozzmosis 20:23, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case, this calls for disambig. -WarthogDemon 01:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

That's Jenny Morris from USA, she once run site www.jennymorris.com before the Australian took it.

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Proposed major edits
Dan arndt and I intend to make some major edits to this article to get it up to B Class. Interim edits may appear incomplete or disorganised and the process is expected to take about a week.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 00:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Now at B-class (at least). Some other tweaks & touches may be needed.shaidar cuebiyar ( talk | contribs ) 11:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Possible copy violation
The following unsigned message has appeared on my talkpage:
 * You can't post my bio information from com.au to .com they are different and have no right post. I already legal esquire and my website is copyright protect now and you stole that information without asking me. I can take legal action with Wikipedia you put back the bio back

07:02, 4 January 2010 Jenny Morris was born in New Zealand in 1956. She entered the music business in 1978, when she began performing lead vocals in the all-girl group The Wide Mouthed Frogs.[2][7] Fellow members were Kate Brockie on lead vocals, Andrea Gilkison on guitar, Tina Matthews on bass guitar, Bronwyn Murray on keyboards and Sally Zwartz on drums.[8] This was followed in 1980 by the band The Crocodiles, with whom she scored a Top 20 hit in New Zealand with 'Tears'. In February 1981, at the behest of manager Mike Chunn, The Crocodiles moved to Sydney, Australia, only to disband in July.


 * According to my page history at 13:54, 11 November 2010, it was posted by User 124.176.58.238.


 * I'm not entirely sure which parts of the Jenny Morris article are believed to be from the user's website. However this same user has deleted material from Early years and The Crocodiles section which was verified by reliable sources. The sources were also deleted. I would prefer to discuss these deletions and arrive at a consensus.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

One of the deleted sources was a D*Hub description of Jenny Morris and a performance costume she wore. The site is run by Powerhouse Museum. The deleted sentence was "In 1976 she became a singer with How's Your Father, who were finalists in the 'National Battle of the Bands'."

I don't see any indication of the alleged copy violation here.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * A second source's ref tab has been disrupted. The source is found here and is provided by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Again, I don't see any copy violation here either.

Until this situation is resolved I have reverted the previous edits.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 04:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Note for continuity I've moved my earlier signature to the position above and will then respond to new information below these comments.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Only Official site and fan site can share information on com.au cannot be post on .com, by law .com are commerce domain they must delete information within 24 hours a .com can face closely. If a site is copyright protect in Australia nobody can steal information and post on .com domain. Its nice when someone does all the hard work and they work are stolen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I made equires what's on com.au and .com I was told what's on com.au stay there Powerhouse Museum and ABC would say no. You can't reproduce information on .com. Authors say to .com it's commerce domains, authors can take legal action on .com. I know Rose Tattoo fan site did face copy violation and was given 24 hours to remove the goes for Kylie Minogue fan site.

I chat with Jenny Morris schoolmate and told me everything on her, she was teacher in New Zealand. Also chat with one of her student and told me she was teacher in Australia to.

Shaidar it has to be your research not stealing information by site that may be right or wrong online. I was lucky to meet Jenny Morris in person and help me a lot and knows about my site and put copyright on my site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 06:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Another edit on my talkpage: I don't know were go on here for talk with you, I leave it here instead.

I spoke to Jenny Morris which gave me permission to run my fan site for her. The bio on my site I did a lot research in real life by rock magazine. I know Jenny Morris was teacher in New Zealand and Australia. She comes from Spanish background and I magazine with her on front cover and I go by her words. This link has a lot information on her http://quoteunquotenz.blogspot.com/2010/03/in-praise-of-jenny-morris.html I never came here first time I find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 06:36, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Please note that I am very wary of copy violations and, although I don't fully understand your problem(s) with this article, I can ensure you that any edits that I have made to this article were in good faith. I have used both Powerhouse and ABC sources on numerous articles and have not encountered any problem in using them for citing purposes: I have not copied whole slabs of either site nor claimed that it was my material. Furthermore I'm not even sure where your site is used in this article.

As you feel parts of the article are still violations of your copyright material then I'll raise your concerns at suspected copyright violations page where other editors or administrators can evaluate and arbitrate the situation.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Posted concern re: copy violation at Copyright problems/2010 November 11 instead of suspected copyright violations page link above.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 09:47, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Copies of various page revisions
This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk | contribs) at 07:02, 4 January 2010. It may differ significantly from the current revision. Revision as of 07:02, 4 January 2010 by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk | contribs) (diff) ← Previous revision | Current revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff) Jump to: navigation, search This article is about the New Zealand rock singer. For other uses, see Jenny Morris. Jenny Morris Birth name 	Jennifer Patricia Morris Born 	26 September 1956 (1956-09-26) (age 54) Tokoroa, New Zealand Origin 	Hamilton, New Zealand Genres 	Pop Occupations 	Songwriter, singer Instruments 	Singing, Guitar Years active 	1980—present Labels 	Stunn Mushroom WEA EMI rooART Associated acts 	The Crocodiles INXS QED The Rock Party Website 	jennymorris.com

Jennifer Patricia "Jenny" Morris[1] (born 26 September 1956, Tokoroa, New Zeland) is a New Zealand pop/rock singer.[2] Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with "Tears".[2] Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she became a back-up vocalist for INXS before going on to a successful solo career. Her Australian top 5 ARIA Albums are Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top 5 ARIA Singles are "She Has to Be Loved" and "Break in the Weather".[3][4][5]

Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992.[6] Contents [hide]

* 1 Early years and The Crocodiles * 2 QED and The Rock Party * 3 Solo success: 1986–1994 * 4 Later years: 1995–current * 5 Personal * 6 Discography o 6.1 The Crocodiles + 6.1.1 Albums + 6.1.2 Singles o 6.2 QED + 6.2.1 Albums + 6.2.2 Singles o 6.3 Solo + 6.3.1 Albums + 6.3.2 Singles o 6.4 Various artists o 6.5 Session musician * 7 Awards and recognition * 8 Notes * 9 References * 10 External links

Early years and The Crocodiles Main article: The Crocodiles

Jenny Morris was born in New Zealand in 1956. She entered the music business in 1978, when she began performing lead vocals in the all-girl group, The Wide Mouthed Frogs in Wellington.[2][7] Fellow members were Kate Brockie on lead vocals, Andrea Gilkison on guitar, Tina Matthews on bass guitar, Bronwyn Murray on keyboards and Sally Zwartz on drums.[8] This was followed, in 1979 in Auckland, by The Crocodiles, which included Morris, Tony Backhouse on guitar, Peter Dasent on keyboards, Fane Flaws on guitar, Mark Hornibrook on bass guitar, Bruno Lawrence on drums, and songwriter Arthur Baysting.[8] They were managed by Mike Chunn, Hornibrook was quickly replaced by Mathews.[8] The band went through a number of lineups, including later members: Ian Gilroy and then Barton Price on drums, Rick Morris on guitar and Jonathon Zwartz on bass guitar.[8] The Crocodiles had a Top 20 hit in New Zealand with 'Tears' in 1980.[2][8] In February 1981, at the behest of manager Chunn, The Crocodiles moved to Sydney, Australia, only to disband in July.[2][8] QED and The Rock Party

Morris began her solo career with the single, "Puberty Blues" in December 1981 on Mushroom Records;[5][9][10] it was the title track from the 1981 film Puberty Blues, which was a local box-office success. The song was written by Tim Finn and performed by Sharon O'Neill in the film. The B-Side was "Adolescent Angst",[5][11] which Morris recorded with The Morris Majors. "Puberty Blues" reached #88 on the Australian Kent Music Report Singles Chart.[12] A follow-up single, "Little By Little", (a cover of The Springfields 1960's song) was released in 1982 by EMI[10][13] but failed to make an impact on the charts.

For the remainder of 1982, through until early 1984, Morris continued to score regular work as a session vocalist, contributing to work by ex-manager Mike Chunn’s brother Geoff (also ex-Split Enz); the Fane Flaws project, I Am Joe’s Music;[14] the 1983 Models' album The Pleasure of Your Company; and New Zealand outfit D.D. Smash’s 1984 album The Optimist, she went on to tour with D.D. Smash front man Dave Dobbyn, and the New Zealand version of The Party Boys. Morris also features on the credits to Sydney band The Drop Bears’ 1984 mini-LP, before contributing backing vocals to INXS’ first #1 album The Swing.

In late 1983, Morris formed QED with guitarist Rex Goh (ex-Air Supply) and bassist Ian Belton (ex-Dave Dobbyn and Renee Geyer). The trio were joined in studio by various session players, and producers Mark Moffatt (produced Saints, Mondo Rock, Tim Finn) and Ricky Fataar (produced Renee Geyer, Tim Finn, Kids in the Kitchen). Among the players contributing to QED’s first album, were keyboardist Amanda Vincent (Eurogliders and later the Jenny Morris band), drummer Steve Fearnly, saxophonist Tony Buchanan, and Fataar on drums. Morris brought a number of former Crocodiles’ songs to the project, whilst Goh and Morris co-wrote a number of new songs. The band's debut single, "Everywhere I Go", was released in December 1983. In early 1984 QED performed the song ‘live’ on Countdown, an appearance aided in boosting the song’s national chart peak to #19 soon after.[12] EMI released QED’s debut album Animal Magic during the same period, but sales remained sluggish. The follow up single "Solo And More" was released in March 1984, but failed to chart, the third single, "This One" reached #45 on the national singles charts during the second half of 1984.[12] QED ended up being a one album only project, and during 1984 Jenny Morris returned to session/touring work with other artists, Belton went on to play with Mondo Rock, and Goh with Eurogliders.

Morris was invited to sing a duet with Michael Hutchence on a cover of the Nancy Sinatra/Lee Hazlewood hit "Jackson", included as a bonus track on the April 1985 (cassette only) INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached #2 on the charts (she later performed "Jackson" live with INXS as part of the last ever Countdown, broadcast in July 1987. Jenny Morris was then invited by INXS to sing backing vocals on their 85/86 'Listen Like Thieves' world tour. She took time out late in 1985 to record and release her first single for WEA, titled "Get Some Humour", which featured a contribution from Dave Dobbyn and reached #92 on the Australian singles charts.[12] In 1986 she then performed with The Rock Party a charity project initiated by The National Campaign Against Drug Abuse (NCADA), which included many Australasian musicians such as Neil Finn (Crowded House), Reg Mombassa (Mental As Anything), Eddie Rayner, Tim Finn, Nick Seymour (Crowded House), Paul Hester (Crowded House), Geoff Stapleton (GANGgajang), Robbie James (GANGgajang), Mary Azzopardi (Rockmelons), Andrew Barnum (The Vitabeats), Lissa Barnum, Michael Barclay, Peter Blakeley, Mark Callaghan (GANGAjang), Deborah Conway, Danny De Costa, Greg Herbert (The Promise), Spencer P Jones, Sean Kelly (Models), John Kennedy, Paul Kelly, Martin Plaza (Mental as Anything), Robert Susz (Dynamic Hepnotics) and Rick Swinn (The Venetians).[15] Solo success: 1986–1994

At the conclusion of INXS' Listen Like Thieves world tour, Morris recorded the track "You’re Gonna Get Hurt", which was written and produced by INXS songwriter and keyboardist Andrew Farriss, whilst on the US leg of the tour. It was recorded with backing by INXS members Andrew and Jon Farriss and Garry Gary Beers, with guitarist Ian Moss (ex-Cold Chisel). The single was released in September 1986 and immediately started being added to radio playlists across Australia. By October, Jenny Morris had cracked the top forty with the single eventually peaking at #24. The follow up single "Body And Soul" (composed by Morris) reached #55 in mid 1987.

In July 1987, Morris released her first solo album, Body and Soul, produced by Mark Moffatt and Ricki Fataar and mixed by Tim Kramer. It sold over 70,000 copies in Australia (platinum status) reaching #13 on the album charts in Australia[16] and #21 in New Zealand. The album spawned two further hits in "You I Know" (written by Neil Finn) which reached #13 in Australia and #30 in New Zealand, and "Lighthearted" reaching #70 and #46 in Australia and New Zealand respectively. Morris also hit the road with her backing band, which over the course of the next couple of years boasted an exceptional rota of talent, including Amanda Vincent (ex-Eurogliders), Jehan Lindsay (ex-Richard Clapton Band), Paul Burton (ex-Mark Williams Band), and Roger Mason (ex-Models).[17] Morris won back to back ARIA's for Most Popular Female Performer in 1987 and 1988.[6]

In July 1989, a second album was released:Shiver. This was a more mature effort, featuring the joyful reggae of "Self Deceiver", a gentle love song to her unborn child "Little Little" and the up-beat woman’s anthem (and #5 Australian hit single) "She Has To Be Loved". The album peaked on the Australian chart at #5, selling over 140,000 copies (double platinum).

As one of Australia's leading female singer/songwriters, Morris has toured extensively in Australia and overseas, first with Tears for Fears, then Prince, INXS and Paul McCartney.

A cover of Janis Joplin's 'Piece Of My Heart' was a hit in 1990, and was followed by a third album, Honeychild, released in October 1991. A much more dance-orientated effort, the album reached #5 on the Australian album chart and featured the single 'Break In The Weather', which peaked at #2 on the Australian charts.This album featured rhythm tracks by iconic Jamaican rhythm section Sly and Robbie.

In November 1992, The Story So Far, a best-of compilation was released. The album included 'Jackson' which was originally performed as a duet with Michael Hutchence and INXS as the finale of the Countdown music show in 1987. Later years: 1995–current

In August 1995, cameSalvation Jane. After a four year gap, with some of Jenny’s strongest vocal work, including the languid "Rhythm and Flow," with its Aboriginal influences. Produced by The Electric Hippies duo Steve Balby and Justin Stanley. This album featured many of the songs that resulted from Miles Copelands (legendary manager of Sting) song writing retreat held at his castle in France.Here, Jenny co wrote with other song writers from around the globe.

For the next few years Jenny Morris mixed it up a bit. An appearance in the TV drama WATER RATS combined with gigs and work for environmental causes and her life as a mother.

In August 2002, Hit & Myth. Despite the long layoff, it sounds like the work of a relaxed and confident woman. The production of Nick Wales has given the album a polished, contemporary feel, with Jenny’s vocals placed high in the mix, allowing the warmth of her voice to shine through.

In 2002, a portrait of Jenny Morris by artist Jan Williamson was entered in the Archibald Prize. The portrait did not win the main prize, but won both the popular awards, the "Packing Room Prize" and "The People's Choice Award".[18]

In March 2003, Port Fairy's 27th Annual Folk Festival[19] with Archie Roach, John Williamson, Renée Geyer, Jenny Morris and emerging Australian band the Waifs were among the popular performers.

In 2003, Morris appeared in a cameo role as the character Tracey in the independent Australian feature film Finding Joy. In the film, she sings part of a song called "Educated Kind of Thing".[20]

In April 2004, Listen: The Very Best of Jenny Morris. The previous Best Of Collection (The Story So Far) was a platinum success and, due to popular demand, is now repackaged with new artwork and a bonus track. This collection boasts such classic hits as 'Body & Soul', 'She Has To Be Loved', 'Saved Me', 'You I Know' and 'You're Gonna Get Hurt' plus many more.[21]

In May 2005, Alive DVD was recorded in the heart of Sydney at The Basement and features Jenny Morris playing some of the biggest hits from her career. The DVD is the culmination of 20 years of music from one of Australia's most beloved singer/songwriters and features musicians such as Ian Moss, Andrew Farriss, Midnight Oil drummer Rob Hirst and actor Josh Quong Tart.

In June 2006, Clear Blue In Stormy Skies was the latest album for Jenny Morris. It featured a dozen remodelled radio hits of the '80s and '90s plus new material and a haunting cover of the INXS song "This Time".

In September 2009 Jenny's touring activities included a trip to Tarin Kowt and Kandahar in Afghanistan to play for the troops stationed there.[citation needed]

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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk | contribs) at 10:04, 7 January 2010. It may differ significantly from the current revision. Revision as of 10:04, 7 January 2010 by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk | contribs) (diff) ← Previous revision | Current revision (diff) | Newer revision → (diff) Jump to: navigation, search This article is about the New Zealand rock singer. For other people with same name, see Jenny Morris. Jenny Morris Birth name 	Jennifer Patricia Morris Born 	29 September 1956 (1956-09-29) (age 54) Tokoroa, New Zealand Origin 	Hamilton Genres 	Pop Occupations 	Songwriter, singer Instruments 	Singing, Guitar Years active 	1978–present Labels 	Stunn Mushroom WEA EMI rooART Associated acts 	How's Your Father Wide Mouthed Frogs The Crocodiles INXS QED The Rock Party Website 	jennymorris.com

Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris[1] (born 29 September 1956, Tokoroa, New Zealand) is a New Zealand pop/rock singer-songwriter.[2] Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with "Tears".[2] Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she became a back-up vocalist for INXS before going on to a successful solo career. Her Australian top 5 ARIA Albums are Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top 5 ARIA Singles are "She Has to Be Loved" and "Break in the Weather".[3][4][5]

Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992.[6] Contents [hide]

* 1 Early years and The Crocodiles * 2 QED and The Rock Party * 3 Solo success: 1986–1994 * 4 Later years: 1995–current * 5 Personal life * 6 Discography o 6.1 The Crocodiles + 6.1.1 Albums + 6.1.2 Singles o 6.2 QED + 6.2.1 Albums + 6.2.2 Singles o 6.3 Solo + 6.3.1 Albums + 6.3.2 DVDs + 6.3.3 Singles o 6.4 Various artists o 6.5 Session musician * 7 Awards and recognition * 8 References * 9 External links

Early years and The Crocodiles Main article: The Crocodiles

Jenny Morris was born in Tokoroa, New Zealand in 1956 and grew up in Hamilton with three brothers (Scott, Rhys and Tam) and three sisters (Jo, Bronte and Shanley).[7] She began working as a Home Economics teacher in Wellington.[8][9] In 1976 she became a singer with How's Your Father, who were finalists in the 'National Battle of the Bands'.[9] Late in 1978 Morris joined an all-girl group, Wide Mouthed Frogs in Wellington, performing lead vocals.[2][9][10] Fellow members were Kate Brockie on lead vocals, Andrea Gilkison on guitar, Tina Matthews on bass guitar, Bronwyn Murray on keyboards and Sally Zwartz on drums.[11] In 1979 they released the track, "Some Day" for the compilation album, Home Grown Volume One.

Wide Mouthed Frogs worked with The Spats' members: drummer Bruno Lawrence sometimes played saxophone for them and keyboardist Peter Dasent became their musical director.[11] By 1980, The Spats had evolved into The Crocodiles, featuring Tony Backhouse (guitar), Dasent, Fane Flaws (guitar/vocals), Mark Hornibrook (bass guitar), Lawrence, and songwriter Arthur Baysting.[11] Morris was asked to join and soon after, Hornibrook departed and was replaced by Matthews.[11] The Crocodiles were managed by Mike Chunn (ex-Split Enz bassist) and regularly performed in Auckland.[11] In January 1980 they played the high profile Sweetwaters Music Festival and in April that year, they released their debut album, Tears, produced by Glyn Tucker Jr., and its lead single, "Tears", both reached No. 17 on the respective New Zealand albums and singles charts.[11][12]

Lawrence left and was replaced on drums by Ian Gilroy (ex-Whizz Kids), then Flaws left, although he continued to write material for the second album. Released in November 1980, Looking at Ourselves, was produced by Ian Morris. That year they won 'Best Group' and 'Most Promising Group' at the New Zealand Music Awards.[13] The line-up went through further changes, Gilroy left to join The Swingers, then Matthews and Dasent left.[11] In February 1981, following a repeat performance at the Sweetwaters Festival,[14] The Crocodiles moved to Sydney, at the behest of their manager, Chunn, with new band members, Barton Price (drums), Rick Morris (guitar) and Jonathon Swatz (bass) only to disband in July.[2][11] Price went on to join Models. Morris explained why The Crocodiles left:

New Zealand is not particularly supportive of its local music industry. [Going to Australia] was something people had done before and been successful, so we decided to do it too and maybe get some extra information from the trip. —Jenny Morris, 1992.[15]

QED and The Rock Party

Morris began her solo career with the single, "Puberty Blues" in December 1981 on Mushroom Records;[2][5][16][17] it was the title track from the 1981 film Puberty Blues, which was a local box-office success.[18] The song was written by Tim Finn and performed by Sharon O'Neill in the film.[18][19] The B-Side was "Adolescent Angst",[5] which Morris recorded with The Morris Majors. "Puberty Blues" reached the Australian Kent Music Report Singles Chart top 100.[20] The follow-up single, "Little By Little"—a cover of The Springfields 1960's song—was released in 1982 but failed to chart.[17][20][21]

During 1982–1984, Morris continued as a session backing vocalist, contributing to releases by ex-manager Chunn's brother Geoff (also ex-Split Enz); ex-bandmate Flaws' project and album, I Am Joe’s Music;[22] the 1983 Models' album The Pleasure of Your Company; and New Zealand outfit D.D. Smash’s 1984 album The Optimist, she went on to tour with D.D. Smash front man Dave Dobbyn, and the New Zealand version of The Party Boys. Morris was credited for Dropbears' 1984 mini-LP, Untitled, before contributing backing vocals to INXS' first No. 1 album The Swing.[2][20][22]

In late 1983, Morris formed QED in Sydney with guitarist Rex Goh (ex-Air Supply) and bassist Ian Belton (ex-Dave Dobbyn, Renée Geyer).[2][23][24] The trio signed with EMI Australia and were produced by Mark Moffatt (The Saints, Mondo Rock, Tim Finn) and Ricky Fataar (Geyer, Finn, Kids in the Kitchen).[23][24] Morris was now managed by Chris Murphy, who also handled INXS.[9][25] QED recorded some of The Crocodiles' material including, "Everywhere I Go", "Animal Magic" and "You're So Hip";[2] Morris also co-wrote new songs with Goh.[23] Their debut single, "Everywhere I Go", was released in December,[23][24] which peaked at No. 19 on the national chart.[20][23] QED performed it on Countdown on 1 April 1984.[26] The follow up single "Solo and More" was issued in March, but failed to chart.[2][20][23] The third single, "This One", appeared in August and reached top 50.[20][23] Additional musicians for QED’s first album, Animal Magic, included keyboardist Amanda Vincent (Eurogliders, later joined the Jenny Morris band), drummer Steve Fearnly, saxophonist Tony Buchanan, and Fataar on drums.[2][23][24] EMI released it in November, but sales remained low and the album did not chart.[2][20][23] QED only released one album and disbanded by 1985, Morris continued session / touring work with other artists, Belton went on to Mondo Rock, and Goh to Eurogliders.[23]

Morris recorded a duet with INXS lead singer, Michael Hutchence, on a cover of Nancy Sinatra/Lee Hazlewood's hit "Jackson", it was included as a bonus track on the April 1984 (cassette only) INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached No. 2 on the charts.[20] Morris and INXS performed "Jackson" live at the 1984 Countdown Music and Video Awards held on 19 May 1985.[27][28] At Murphy's suggestion she teamed with INXS as a backing singer on their 1985 Australian tour—originally just for a few weeks—and stayed on for eighteen months on their 1985–1986 Listen Like Thieves World Tour.[9][25] Morris recorded and, in November 1985, released her first single for WEA, "Get Some Humour", with a contribution from Dave Dobbyn, which reached the top 100.[2][20]

In 1986 she performed on The Rock Party's Everything to Live For, a charity project, initiated by The National Campaign Against Drug Abuse (NCADA), which included many Australasian musicians such as Big Pig's Sherine Abeyratne; Crowded House's Neil Finn, Tim Finn, Paul Hester, Eddie Rayner and Nick Seymour; Dynamic Hepnotics' Robert Susz; GANGgajang's Mark Callaghan, Robbie James and Geoff Stapleton; Paul Kelly & the Coloured Girls' Michael Barclay and Paul Kelly; Mental As Anything's Reg Mombassa and Martin Plaza; Models' Sean Kelly; The Promise's Greg Herbert; Rockmelons' Mary Azzopardi Peter Blakeley and Danny De Costa; The Venetians' Rick Swinn; The Vitabeats' Andrew Barnum and Lissa Barnum; and Deborah Conway, Spencer P Jones, and John Kennedy.[29][30] Solo success: 1986–1994

At the conclusion of INXS' Listen Like Thieves world tour, Morris recorded the track "You’re Gonna Get Hurt", which was written and produced by their songwriter and keyboardist, Andrew Farriss,[31] whilst on the US leg of the tour.[25] Recorded with backing by INXS' Andrew and Jon Farriss and Garry Gary Beers, together with guitarist Ian Moss (ex-Cold Chisel), it was released in September 1986 and peaked at No. 24.[20] The next single "Body and Soul"—composed by Morris[32]—reached the top 100 in mid-1987.[20]

In July 1987, Morris released her first solo album, Body and Soul, produced by Mark Moffatt and Ricki Fataar and mixed by Tim Kramer.[2] It sold over 70,000 copies in Australia (platinum status) reaching No. 13 on the album charts in Australia[2][20][33] and No. 21 in New Zealand. The album spawned two further hits in "You I Know"—written by Neil Finn[34]—which reached No. 13 in Australia and No. 30 in New Zealand, and "Lighthearted" peaked in the top 100 in both countries. Morris also hit the road with her backing band, including Vincent, Jehan Lindsay (ex-Richard Clapton Band), Paul Burton (ex-Mark Williams Band), and Roger Mason (ex-Models).[35] Morris won back to back ARIA Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988.[6] In 1998, Morris and photographer, Paul Clarke, were married.[2]

Her next single "Saved Me" was released in July 1989—reached top 40 in Australia and New Zealand[3][4]—it featured a distinctly Latin-Spanish feel permeated by funk undertones, with the promo video shot in Nicaragua by Richard Lowenstein. Morris' second solo album Shiver, followed in August and was produced also by Farriss,[25] with Morris writing ten of the eleven tracks.[2] During the recording of the album she also gave birth to her first child, Hugh. The second single was "She Has To Be Loved", a song which melded funk rhythms with an infectious pop hook. In addition, it featured a strong feminist theme, and quickly became a favourite among Morris’ female fans. "She Has To Be Loved" became Morris' first Australasian top ten hit reaching No. 5 in Australia and No. 3 in New Zealand during October of 1989. The album continued to chart over the summer of 1989–90, peaking at No. 5 on the national album charts, and establishing Jenny Morris as one of the best selling artists in Australia. The track "Aotearoa" (a colloquial term for 'Land Of The Long White Cloud') received a special single release in New Zealand and reached No. 35 on the charts there. The album eventually sold over 250,000 copies, achieving double platinum status in Australia. It spawned two more hit singles; "(Beggar on the) Street Of Love" written by legendary Australian songsmith Paul Kelly,[36] which reached No. 58 in Australia and No. 51 in New Zealand; and the reggae inspired "Self Deceiver", penned by Morris and Kelly,[37] which reached No. 81 on the Australian singles charts.

As one of Australia's leading female singer/songwriters, Morris toured extensively in Australia and overseas, first with Tears for Fears on the European leg of their 1989 Sowing the Seeds of Love Tour, then performing in Denmark, Germany and France on Prince's 1990 Nude Tour,[38][39]—with Dweezil Zappa as her lead guitarist[35][40]—and INXS on their X-Factor tour.[25]

She released a cover of Janis Joplin's "Piece of my Heart" in late 1990, which peaked at No. 34 on the Australian singles charts in early 1991. She then returned to the studio to record her third album, this time with producers Nick Launay (Midnight Oil, Killing Joke) and Mark Forrester at the helm.[41] The first single from the album, "Break in the Weather", co-written by Jenny Morris and her youngest brother Tam,[42] was released in September 1991, peaking at No. 2 on the Australian charts[3] and No. 5 in New Zealand. Morris' third solo album, Honeychild was released in October 1991 and became her second consecutive top ten album, peaking at No. 5 on the Australian album charts. Once again an impressive roster of guest players was assembled, including Wendy Matthews and Midnight Oil’s Jim Moginie. Honeychild spawned three more minor hits; "I’ve Had You", another Morris/Kelly collaboration,[43] which reached No. 46 in Australia and No. 39 in New Zealand; the funk laden "Zero", featuring the legendary rhythm section of drummer Sly Dunbar and bassist Robbie Shakespeare, which peaked at No. 89 in Australia and No. 33 in New Zealand; and "Crackerjack Man", an emotion charged lamentation of the ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ of the world, which reached No. 98 on the Australian charts.

On 28 March 1992 Morris performed at the Concert for Life at Centennial Park in Sydney[25]—a fund raiser for the Victor Chang Cardiac Research Centre—with Crowded House, Def FX, Diesel, INXS, Ratcat and Yothu Yindi.[44] Due to inclement weather an expected attendance of 100,000 never eventuated and, with the event only raising $500,000, scandal was expressed in the media over funding distribution.[45]

In November, The Story So Far, a best-of compilation was released, it included "Jackson" which was performed as a duet with Michael Hutchence and INXS on a 1985 Countdown episode, and a re-recorded version of an old The Crocodiles' hit "Tears". The album sold steadily and peaked at No. 12 on the Australian charts during April 1993, just after Morris had supported Paul McCartney on the Australian leg of his The New World Tour.[46] 1994 saw the birth of her daughter, Bella. Later years: 1995–current

Her next single "Price I Pay", was a cover of the Billy Bragg song,[47] and marked Morris' last foray into the Australian charts when it peaked at No. 78 in 1994. Morris' next four singles "Only We Can Hear", "Rhythm And Flow", "In Too Deep", and "What Do I Do Now", were released over a period of eighteen months, from mid 1994 to early 1996. In August 1995, Salvation Jane was released after a four year gap, with some of her strongest vocal work, including the languid "Rhythm and Flow," with its Aboriginal influences. Released on the rooArt label, the album was again produced Andrew Farriss[25] and Mark Moffatt, together with the Electric Hippies duo Steve Balbi and Justin Stanley. The album featured many of the songs that resulted from songwriting retreat held at Miles Copeland's castle in France. Here, Morris co-wrote a number of songs with other songwriters from around the globe. Also in 1995, Morris became a non-executive writer director on the Australasian Performing Right Association (APRA) Board and as of 2009 is still on the Board.[48]

For the next few years Morris mixed it up a bit. An appearance in the Television drama, Water Rats,[49] combined with gigs and work for environmental causes[50] and her life as a mother.

In October 2000 she performed, together with Vika and Linda Bull and Jodi Phillis, a sold-out Carole King tribute show, 'Tapestry: the songs of Carol King', at the Sydney Opera House. The tribute show then toured all the capital cities in Australia in August–September 2001.[51]

In August 2002, Morris' released her next album, Hit & Myth, co-produced by Nick Wales (CODA[52]). The album includes a song, "Guiding Star", by Neil Finn and features classical (Renaissance Players, Winsome Evans) and pop (Davey Lane, Jodi Phillis (ex Clouds) and jazz (PROP) musicians.

I had people playing on the album from different backgrounds– classical musicians, programmers, jazz musicians, pop. The songs have been crafted so long and so hard, they’re not throw away but they’re not inaccessible. It’s lush, lots of strings beautifully arranged and then groove and beats and really modern sounds and classical guitars as well. It’s a collage of all my influences really. —Jenny Morris[53]

Neither the album, or the singles "Home" and "Downtime", managed to chart.

In 2002, a portrait of Jenny Morris by artist Jan Williamson was entered in the Archibald Prize. The portrait did not win the main prize, but won both the popular awards, the "Packing Room Prize" and "The People's Choice Award".[54]

In March 2003, Port Fairy's 27th Annual Folk Festival[55] with Archie Roach, John Williamson, Renée Geyer, Jenny Morris and emerging Australian band the Waifs were among the popular performers.[56]

In 2003, Morris appeared in a cameo role as the character Tracey in the independent Australian feature film Finding Joy.[57] In the film, she sings part of a song called "Educated Kind of Thing".[58]

In October 2003 Morris joined the board of Nordoff-Robbins Music Therapy Australia and is an active member of the Fundraising Committee.[59]

In April 2004, Listen: The Very Best of Jenny Morris was released. The previous Best Of Collection (The Story So Far) was a platinum success and, due to popular demand, was repackaged with new artwork and a bonus track. This collection includes Morris' hits such as "Body & Soul", "She Has To Be Loved", "Saved Me", "You I Know" and "You're Gonna Get Hurt".[60]

May 2005 saw the release of the Alive DVD, which was recorded in the heart of Sydney at The Basement and features Morris playing some of the biggest hits from her career. The DVD is the culmination of twenty years of music from one of Australia's most beloved singer/songwriters and features musicians such as Ian Moss, Andrew Farriss, Midnight Oil drummer Rob Hirst and actor Josh Quong Tart.

Clear Blue in Stormy Skies was the next album released by Morris in June 2006. It featured a dozen remodelled radio hits of the 1980s and 1990s plus new material, including a haunting cover of the INXS song "This Time". In January 2007 Morris appeared on the SBS documentary, "Mum's The Word", where she and other high profile women talked about being a working mother.[61]

In September 2009 Jenny's touring activities included a trip to Tarin Kowt and Kandahar in Afghanistan to play for the troops stationed there.[62][63]

In October 2009 Morris appeared on the television quiz show, RocKwiz, which included a performance of the Crowded House classic, "It's Only Natural", with Don McGlashan.[64] She also performed at the closing ceremony of the 2009 World Masters Games in Sydney, together with Dragon and The Choirboys.[65]

Morris has been included on the program for the 2010 New Zealand International music Festival in Wellington.[66][67] Personal life

Morris married photographer, Paul Clarke, in 1988[2][68] and they have two children, Hugh and Bella. Morris' younger sister, Shanley Del is an ARIA Award winning country music artist in 1998.[7][69][70] Their youngest brother, Tam Morris co-wrote, "Break in the Weather" with Jenny,[42] he is also a singer-songwriter with his group Tracky Dax.[7] Her other siblings are brothers Scott and Rhys (a web designer and developer)[71], and sisters Jo and Bronte.

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Dan arndt (talk | contribs) at 04:09, 14 December 2009. It may differ significantly from the current revision.

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This article is about the New Zealand rock singer. For other uses, see Jenny Morris. Jenny Morris Birth name 	Jennifer Patricia Morris Born 	September 26, 1956 (1956-09-26) (age 54) Tokoroa, New Zealand Origin 	Hamilton, New Zealand Genres 	Pop Occupations 	Songwriter, singer Instruments 	Singing, Guitar Years active 	1980—present Labels 	Stunn EMI Associated acts 	The Crocodiles INXS QED The Rock Party Website 	www.jennymorris.com

Jenny Morris is a New Zealand pop/rock singer. Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who scored a hit with "Tears". Re-locating to Australia, she became a back-up vocalist for INXS before going on to a successful solo career. Contents [hide]

* 1 History * 2 Discography o 2.1 The Crocodiles + 2.1.1 Albums + 2.1.2 Singles o 2.2 QED + 2.2.1 Albums + 2.2.2 Singles o 2.3 Solo + 2.3.1 Albums + 2.3.2 Singles o 2.4 Various artists o 2.5 Session musician * 3 Awards and recognition * 4 Notes * 5 References * 6 External links

History

Jenny Morris was born in New Zealand in 1956. She entered the music business in 1978, when she began performing in the all-girl group The Wide Mouthed Frogs.[1] This was followed in 1980 by the band The Crocodiles, with whom she scored a Top 20 hit in New Zealand with 'Tears'. In February 1981, at the behest of manager Mike Chunn, The Crocodiles moved to Sydney, only to disband in July.

Morris began her solo career by singing the title track for the film Puberty Blues, which was a local box-office success in 1981. A follow-up single in 1982, 'Little By Little', failed to make an impact.

In 1983, Morris formed QED with Rex Goh (ex-Air Supply). The duo's debut single, 'Everywhere I Go', peaked at #19 on the Australian charts in early 1984. The single was from the album "Animal Magic"

In October 1985, Jenny Morris released 'Get Some Humour'. In 1986 she then performed with The Rock Party a charity project initiated by The National Campaign Against Drug Abuse (NCADA), which included many Australasian musicians such as Neil Finn (Crowded House), Reg Mombassa (Mental As Anything), Eddie Rayner, Tim Finn, Nick Seymour (Crowded House), Paul Hester (Crowded House), Geoff Stapleton (GANGgajang), Robbie James (GANGgajang), Mary Azzopardi (Rockmelons), Andrew Barnum (The Vitabeats), Lissa Barnum, Michael Barclay, Peter Blakely, Mark Callaghan (GANGAjang), Deborah Conway, Danny De Costa, Greg Herbert (The Promise), Spencer P Jones, Sean Kelly (Models), John Kennedy, Paul Kelly, Martin Plaza (Mental as Anything), Robert Susz (Dynamic Hepnotics) and Rick Swinn (The Venetians).[2]

Morris's next single proved to be her solo breakthrough: 'You're Going To Get Hurt' hit #24 in August 1986, finally establishing her as a serious singer/songwriter.

In July 1987, Morris released her first solo album, Body and Soul, produced by Mark Moffatt and Ricki Fataar and mixed by Tim Kramer. It sold over 70,000 copies in Australia (platinum status), and spawned a number of singles, the biggest of which, 'You I Know' (written by Neil Finn), reached #13 - her biggest hit to date.[3] She won back to back ARIA's for Most Popular Female Performer in 1987 and 1988.

In July 1989, a second album was released:Shiver. This was a more mature effort, featuring the joyful reggae of "Self Deceiver", a gentle love song to her unborn child "Little Little" and the up-beat woman’s anthem (and #5 Australian hit single) "She Has To Be Loved". The album peaked on the Australian chart at #5, selling over 140,000 copies (double platinum).

As one of Australia's leading female singer/songwriters, Morris has toured extensively in Australia and overseas, first with Tears for Fears, then Prince, INXS and Paul McCartney.

A cover of Janis Joplin's 'Piece Of My Heart' was a hit in 1990, and was followed by a third album, Honeychild, released in October 1991. A much more dance-orientated effort, the album reached #5 on the Australian album chart and featured the single 'Break In The Weather', which peaked at #2 on the Australian charts.This album featured rhythm tracks by iconic Jamaican rhythm section Sly and Robbie.

In November 1992, The Story So Far, a best-of compilation was released. The album included 'Jackson' which was originally performed as a duet with Michael Hutchence and INXS as the finale of the Countdown music show in 1987.

In August 1995, cameSalvation Jane. After a four year gap, with some of Jenny’s strongest vocal work, including the languid "Rhythm and Flow," with its Aboriginal influences. Produced by The Electric Hippies duo Steve Balby and Justin Stanley. This album featured many of the songs that resulted from Miles Copelands (legendary manager of Sting) song writing retreat held at his castle in France.Here, Jenny co wrote with other song writers from around the globe.

For the next few years Jenny Morris mixed it up a bit. An appearance in the TV drama WATER RATS combined with gigs and work for environmental causes and her life as a mother.

In August 2002, Hit & Myth. Despite the long layoff, it sounds like the work of a relaxed and confident woman. The production of Nick Wales has given the album a polished, contemporary feel, with Jenny’s vocals placed high in the mix, allowing the warmth of her voice to shine through.

In 2002, a portrait of Jenny Morris by artist Jan Williamson was entered in the Archibald Prize. The portrait did not win the main prize, but won both the popular awards, the "Packing Room Prize" and "The People's Choice Award".[4]

In March 2003, Port Fairy's 27th Annual Folk Festival[5] with Archie Roach, John Williamson, Renée Geyer, Jenny Morris and emerging Australian band the Waifs were among the popular performers.

In 2003, Morris appeared in a cameo role as the character Tracey in the independent Australian feature film Finding Joy. In the film, she sings part of a song called "Educated Kind of Thing".[6]

In April 2004, Listen: The Very Best of Jenny Morris. The previous Best Of Collection (The Story So Far) was a platinum success and, due to popular demand, is now repackaged with new artwork and a bonus track. This collection boasts such classic hits as 'Body & Soul', 'She Has To Be Loved', 'Saved Me', 'You I Know' and 'You're Gonna Get Hurt' plus many more.[7]

In May 2005, Alive DVD was recorded in the heart of Sydney at The Basement and features Jenny Morris playing some of the biggest hits from her career. The DVD is the culmination of 20 years of music from one of Australia's most beloved singer/songwriters and features musicians such as Ian Moss, Andrew Farriss, Midnight Oil drummer Rob Hirst and actor Josh Quong Tart.

In June 2006, Clear Blue In Stormy Skies was the latest album for Jenny Morris. It featured a dozen remodelled radio hits of the '80s and '90s plus new material and a haunting cover of the INXS song "This Time".

In September 2009 Jenny's touring activities included a trip to Tarin Kowt and Kandahar in Afghanistan to play for the troops stationed there

ABC Biography
Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris OAM (born 29 September 1956) is a New Zealand-born Australian pop/rock singer-songwriter. Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with "Tears". Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she was a backing vocalist for various groups and formed a trio, QED, in 1983. Morris provided backing vocals for INXS on their 1983 album, The Swing, she then recorded a duet with lead singer, Michael Hutchence, on a cover of Nancy Sinatra/Lee Hazlewood's hit "Jackson", it was included as a bonus track on the April 1984 INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached number two on the Australian Kent Music Report Albums Chart. Morris worked on their 1985–1986 Listen Like Thieves World Tour. Her solo career includes top five Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Albums with Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top five ARIA Singles are "She Has to Be Loved" and "Break in the Weather". These albums and singles also peaked in the top ten on the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ) charts. Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992. In 2003, on Australia Day (26 January), Morris became an Australian citizen and in 2010 she received the Order of Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 08:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Not sure why you placed this here without a comment. I found a similar (same?) introduction to Morris at ABC's Dig Music website where they clearly acknowledge Wikipedia as the source and direct interested readers to this article. As far as I can tell, there is no copy violation involved in either direction.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

(Changed background for my comments, correct my expression in an earlier edit.)shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:50, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

More material from my talk page:shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 20:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Jenny Morris www.jennymorris.com

Jenny Morris OAM is a New Zealand-born Australian pop, rock singer-songwriter. Her first success came with New Zealand band The Crocodiles, who had a top 20 hit single with “Tears”. Re-locating to Sydney, Australia in February 1981, she was a backing vocalist for various groups and formed a trio, QED, in 1983.

Morris provided backing vocals for INXS on their 1983 album, The Swing, she then recorded a duet with lead singer, Michael Hutchence, on a cover of Nancy Sinatra and Lee Hazlewood’s hit “Jackson”, it was included as a bonus track on the April 1984 (cassette only) INXS EP, Dekadance, which reached number two on the Australian Kent Music Report Albums Chart. Morris worked on their 1985–1986 Listen Like Thieves World Tour.

Her solo career includes top five Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) Albums with Shiver in 1989 and Honeychild in 1991, and her top five ARIA Singles are “She Has to Be Loved” and “Break in the Weather”. These albums and singles also peaked in the top ten on the Recording Industry Association of New Zealand (RIANZ) charts.

Morris has won two ARIA Music Awards for ‘Best Female Artist’ in 1987 and 1988 and was nominated for the same award in 1992. In 2003, on Australia Day (26 January), Morris became an Australian citizen and in 2010 she received the Order of Australia. http://www.theharbouragency.com/artist-profile/jenny-morris

Jenny Morris is one of Australia's most successful female singer songwriters. Her creativity, personality and formidable ability have been instrumental in her rise to world wide acclaim as a recorded artist, performer and songwriter.

These same attributes ensure her corporate speaking presentation is both entertaining and highly valuable to a wide range of audience. Looking at crucial personal issues such as success - what it really means and how to achieve and sustain it - Jenny offers a different and thought provoking point-of-view that offers inspiration, insight and down-to-earth how-to's that work for both our professional and personal endeavours.

Jenny started her working life as a high school art teacher, performing at night with a number of bands before signing up with INXS as a backing singer.

Her first solo album - Body and Soul was produced by INXS's Andrew Farriss in 1987. The album went platinum, produced three hit singles and earned her an ARIA for "Most Popular Female Performer".

In 1989 Body and Soul was followed by Shiver which went triple platinum and like Body and Soul produced three hit singles - Saved Me, Street of Love and She Has To Be Loved. European Tours with Tears for Fears, INXS and Prince followed in the wake of international acclaim.

Three more successful albums - Honeychild, The Story So Far and Salvation Jane - have followed resulting in more platinum albums and hit singles.

Jenny has achieved a level of success that most of us only dream about. She has met and toured with some of the worlds' greatest recording artists including Paul McCartney. She has two beautiful children with photographer husband Paul Clarke and she is a respected environmental activist. By anyone's measure, an amazing line-up of achievements for such a young woman. But for all her success and the resulting acclaim, Jenny remains a down to earth person with a wealth of experiences that we can all relate to. Woven into her stories are some important personal messages supporting excellence and strength in all that we undertake.

Jenny's spectacular presentation, which includes a live performance of some of her hits, adds a very special aspect to any conference, dinner or corporate function. http://www.ovations.com.au/presenter_detail/jenny_morris/26385/1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 11:06, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

As indicated above I have repeatedly moved material to this venue from my talk page to allow other interested editors to respond. I believe discussion of this serious issue should occur here. I have indicated both on my talk page and on User:124.176.58.238's talk page, that any further comments or information on this issue, placed on my talk page will not be transferred here by me nor will I comment on it there. I have provided User:124.176.58.238 with a wikilink to this talk page and to Copyright problems/2010 November 11.
 * 1) I have just visited the Jenny Morris website at Jenny Morris < > and also seen her Bio at >>About Jenny. Neither place appears to have the indicated material.
 * 2) At The Harbour Agency: Jenny Morris the section quoted above is displayed. Note it is also available as a download document titled "JennyMorris_2010-blurb.doc" at Download the bio which is linked on the same webpage. With her birth date removed, this is essentially the same as the Lead which existed on Wikipedia on 5 February 2010 (see here). I can't tell when The Harbour Agency bio was last updated, different bios are available on an Internet Archive search of the website with the latest from 20 July 2008. That bio is very different from the Wikipedia Lead. Wayback Machine does not archive every version, so this is inconclusive. According to the properties of the downloaded document it was created on Monday, 24 May 2010 2:21 PM, using Microsoft Word 97 - 2004 by the author: tha.promotions for the company: The Mushroom Group.
 * 3) The Ovations promo material does not appear to present any copy violation problems that I can see. Some of the same information is used in the Wikipedia article but there's no clear indication of copying in either direction. Maybe you could specify your concerns more precisely.

I still don't see any copy violation by Wikipedia in the Jenny Morris article.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:39, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Why bring her husband and kids into issue that private and should stay offline its no-one business, doing that your stalker or nosy person they just human being and should be treat like that way. Lucky I never got into show business myself, i wouldn't like people putting they nose into my business. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:55, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Copyright concerns
Are you dumb or something I find out when Jenny Morris date of birth, How's Your Father, I can name other things you took from my site without my permission. You don't steal someone hard and you claim credits that's stealing. I had that information on my site for long time before you. Your silly billy my site is protect by Australian Copyright Association, when copy and paste my information you didn't know my site is copyright protect they know my hard work. You didn't ask me that's stealing, how would you like it, if I stole information from your site you didn't ask for permission, that's copyright. I attended conference in copyright about online issues. You can't say fan website are correct you need to do your research not steal.

For your information not a lot people like Wikipedia and I know 2 ex-employer told how there work from inside. Even Anna Nicole Smith who went under different and was abuse here, so was I. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 03:54, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It would appear that a significant amount of her bio information, whilst found at the preceding editors website, can also be found at a number of other sources. I don't think that the editor has any proprietary rights to that information if it can be found & verified at other sources. Essentially if the facts are correct they can ussually be verified from other sources. As long as the wording is not a direct copy then there shouldn't be any copyright infringement issue (but I'm not a lawyer). It should be worth noting that I did get in contact with Jenny Morris' management when I was seeking the use of an image of Morris. At that time I did enquire and asked them to check the article to see if there were any inaccurate statements or facts and that they confirmed that it was all good. Dan arndt (talk) 04:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I work very close with Angry Anderson and Rose Tattoo management and told what I can post online. I am lucky person that management made me hold the rights last original lineup. If you are given permission to use Jenny Morris image means the photography sign a contact that the management hold the rights that photo only they can give permission no one else. Copyright is very tricky to understand.

I find Jenny Morris date birth with a lot recourse and I don't post nothing on my site if it's wrong information, you need to be careful with USA Jenny Morris singer. I have a lot articles of Jenny Morris I read the more important information the rest I don't know if its right or wrong. I was lucky another to attend some concerts and I got free drink on house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:07, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

User:124.176.58.238, the edits I made to the Jenny Morris article were sourced by the indicated citations. If her membership in How's Your Father is also on your website this does not mean it was stolen from there. As indicated above and in the article that information is from the Powerhouse Museum site which was suitably acknowledged. As Dan has indicated, Morris' representative, Simon Lucas, looked at the Wikipedia article before 20 April and provided the infobox photo: they had no problem with its content. Furthermore, User:124.176.58.238, I don't like your accusatorial tone and request that you refrain from calling me "dumb or something" or accuse me and/or other editors of "stealing" if facts presented here are also seen on your website: other explanations are possible as provided by Dan. If there are any statements in the article that are not true and have not been sourced then point those out and they can be corrected. If any unsourced information is contentious or negative then it may be deleted according to Wikipedia policy on biographies of living persons. If your accusatorial tone persists then I will refrain from further discussion with you on this issue.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Powerhouse Museum doesn't have that information. You did steal her date birth yours was 26 mine 29 that's stealing. I don't steal my dear I do a lot resource, I was tough to write short brief bio's and not steal. Jenny Morris made me her representative in 1998, she choice my site to be official site for her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:47, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Find the section on History notes, in the second paragraph, second sentence it clearly describes Morris as being a member of Hows Your Father and being finalists in the National Battle of the Bands.
 * As for her birthdate, I believe that it is possible that other sources would have this information besides your website. The fact that the article once had 26 September and later was changed to 29 September (which you acknowledge is the correct date) does not mean it was taken from your website.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * So on that basis all these other websites all based their information on your websites? Dan arndt (talk) 06:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Dan good try I didn't go to non of those links. I had her date birth on bio in 2008 for 3 years, Wikipedia updated in January 2010.


 * ibirthdayworld - No, I didn't go where
 * Movieeye - No, I didn't go where
 * Celebrityland - No, I didn't go there
 * True Knowledge - No, I didn't go there
 * Flipkart - No, I didn't go there
 * Amazon - No, I didn't go there

No
 * Jenny Morris (musician) - No, I didn't go there
 * Jenny Morris - Discography - No, I didn't go there
 * People From Hamilton, New Zealand: Jenny Morris - No, I didn't go there
 * Prague Real Estate - No, I didn't go there
 * facts about Jenny Morris - No, I didn't go there
 * Jenny Morris (musician) - No, good layout —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 08:38, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oke, there seems to be a lot of confusion here. A question which might clarify things. User:124.176.58.238, are you saying wikipedia is not allowed to post her birthdate because you have copyright on it? If that is not the problem, can you please give an example of copyrighted information in the wikipedia article? Yoenit (talk) 08:41, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

On 4 January 2010. Jenny Morris Birth name Jennifer Patricia Morris Born 26 September 1956 (1956-09-26) (age 54) Tokoroa, New Zealand Origin Hamilton, New Zealand. - by Shaidar cuebiyar on.

On 7 January 2010 Jenny Morris Birth name Jennifer Patricia Morris Born 29 September 1956 (1956-09-29) (age 54) Tokoroa, New Zealand Origin Hamilton - by Shaidar cuebiyar on.

Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris[1] (born 29 September 1956, Tokoroa, New Zealand) - by Shaidar cuebiyar on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 09:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you please post a link to your website as well? Yoenit (talk) 09:10, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Is this your website http://www.jennymorris.com/?page_id=3. Why doesn't it say her birthdate? I am trying to help, but I don't understand. Yoenit (talk)


 * I was under the same impression until just now, however, notice the following Jenny Morris - Bio at The Aussie Music Page. This suggests to me that we have made a mistake in our assumptions about the source to be checked.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

That's right

Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 12:04, 18 November 2010 according to page history of this talk page.


 * Note that until my edit on 00:34, 18 November immediately above I was under the impression that this User was representing the official Jenny Morris website at http://www.jennymorris.com


 * This point was not clarified by the User when asked directly by Yoenit above.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:25, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

In the absence of a response I will just give my observations. This is definitely not a copyright violation. You can not copyright information like a birthdate or the fact that she played in a certain band. What may have happened here is that information was not properly attributed, in which case we have to fix the attribution. Currently the source used for her birthdate seems to be ref 2, some aprap magazine, in which can't find a mention of her (though I might have missed it, the viewing format is annoying). Did I miss it or do we have another reference for her birthdate? Yoenit (talk) 12:42, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I find her date birthday long before Shaidar. My information didn't come form Powerhouse Museum site. I remember looking at How's Your Father article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 13:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter who found her birthday first; under the U.S. copyright laws that govern Wikipedia, facts are not copyrightable. These laws do not take into account the effort that goes into uncovering facts. What is protected by copyright is creativity. The language that you use to display facts may be protected (although if the language is basic and obvious, protection may be "thin"), but the information you are presenting is not. See Contact us/Article problem/Copyright and note particularly, "Facts cannot be copyrighted, only their expression. That is, you cannot claim a Wikipedia article infringes your copyright just because it happens to cite the same facts as a text or page that you wrote; you may only claim if the text in the article was copied from your work without permission." --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:06, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Moonriddengirl my site was around before Wikipedia. I did the resource not you saying I copy your Wikipedia work is silly. What gives you the right to say dumb things? I do have case you don't know everything about her. You can go around and around but you end up in same the place with no fact. Keep bitching at me you sound very ignorant person. I agree with Ann Nicole Smith comments about Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Claims not supported
On 17 November, User:124.176.58.238, made a series of edits on this article, see page history for differences. The User removed the sentence about Morris' membership in How's Your Father and disrupted two references for a third time.

Additionally, the phrase "taken from my bio" was added in five places in the article, this is despite the fact that statements had a citation (or in the case of those in the Lead, were supported by reliable sources later in the article). The claims appeared after:
 * 1) "born 29 September 1956" – This has been discussed extensively above. I agree with Yoenit that you cannot copyright information like a birthdate. If the date was false or insulting to Morris then a change would be needed but that is not the question here.
 * 2) "won two ARIA Music Awards for 'Best Female Artist' in 1987 and 1988" – Which is supported later in the main text and in the table of awards and nominations with references from ARIA itself. Currently refs [35], [87] and [88]. Her 1992 nomination is also reffed at [89].
 * 3) "Jennifer "Jenny" Patricia Morris" – Both her full name and the diminutive are found at the APRA ref for her song writing and performing, "Get Some Humour". Seen at ref [1], her full name is also available at the Order of Australia refs [78] and [79].
 * 4) "was born in Tokoroa, New Zealand in 1956 and grew up in Hamilton" – Supported by APRAP article from 2008 at ref [2]. Also note that Morris started with APRA as a writer director in 1995 and is still on its Board (see ref [50]).
 * 5) "performed at the Concert for Life at Centennial Park in Sydney" – Supported by Bozza's book.

As indicated above, this information can be obtained from separate sources and just because it appeared in this article does not mean it was taken from the User's site.

These edits were correctly reverted by Dan arndt.

If User:124.176.58.238 has any further specific instances of suspected copy violation I request that they be aired here first so that clarification may occur and consensus can be reached prior to any contentious changes.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Obviously this information had to come from somewhere and was not properly attributed. I would have happily referenced the biography which the IP claimed the information was taken from, but I can't seem to find it (www.jennymorris.com doesn't have the information either). Yoenit (talk) 08:26, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This is definitely not a copyright violation and we should stop referring to it as such, but I noticed the following:
 * 1) "was born in Tokoroa, New Zealand in 1956 and grew up in Hamilton", I can't find this information in the interview in ref 2. They only talk about living in New Zealand and then in Australia, but don't name the actual places. Also "with three brothers (Alistair, Rhys and Tam) and four sisters (Maxine, Bronte, Joanne and Shanley)." is not supported by that same ref either. Only two are named (Tam and Shanley)
 * 2) her birthdate renains unreferenced.


 * Have found a number of references which clearly state that Morris was born in Tokoroa, raised in Hamilton and was a member of 'How's Your Father', which was a finalist in the 1976 National Battle of the Bands. These are independent verifiable sources and not taken from User:124.176.58.238's website. I have included them in the article so that it is clear that this information has not been sourced from that site. Dan arndt (talk) 04:23, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree with your conclusion re: copyvio and will no longer refer to it as such. Some of her upbringing comes from the Simon Marnie audio interview at ref [3]. As for the attributions for her siblings' names, I believe there are some more in the Personal life section but can't remember if all names are covered. Perhaps some sort of coalescence of Cite bundling is required?

McFarlane (ref [7]) gives her year of birth as 1956, however further work is required for a reliable source on her birthday: this is complicated as too many internet sites are using wikipedia mirrors (often without any attribution). From memory, it was found in one of the INXS biographical books – they celebrated her birthday while on tour. But this is too vague for a citation.

I assume you've seen the early point above where IP confirmed his website is at Jenny Morris - Bio on The Aussie Band Music Page and not jennymorris.com.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 10:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

I have a lot rock books and articles on artists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 05:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * We should follow our BLP policy, which says birthdays and full names should not be included unless widely published (wp:DOB). As this is clearly not the case I have therefore removed the information from the article. If you do find a reliable source for the information feel free to put it back, but the fact that it is so hard to find suggests she might not want it publically known. Yoenit (talk) 10:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

The owner/operator of an independent Jenny Morris fansite has advised that the information on his website has been checked by Morris' management, who have confirmed that her birthday (29 September 1956) is correct. Dan arndt (talk) 05:02, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Please provide a link to the website in question. Yoenit (talk) 06:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In the process of doing so - just a slight hiccup with the link. Dan arndt (talk) 08:09, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

How's Your Father
In the process of tracking down who the other members of How's Your Father - to date they were Peter 'Lez' White (bass); Stephen Stratford (guitar); Jenny Morris... If anyone can track down the other members then that would be appreciated. 06:58, 22 November 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan arndt (talk • contribs)

I know someone I think he left the net. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.58.238 (talk) 14:41, 24 November 2010 (UTC)