Talk:Jermain Defoe/Archive 1

Mostly a sub?
I'm not a Spurs fan, but the stats say it's not true thast he was a sub for most of the season. My text: Despite his impressive ability, Spurs manager Martin Jol has used Defoe in rotation for the 2005-06 season; Robbie Keane and Mido also vied for a starting position. Defoe started 23 times and came on as substitute 13 times in the 2005-06 season, with Keane making 24 starts and 11 substitute appearances and Mido making 24 starts and 3 substitute appearances. I hope this is a more accurate statement, I'm not sure how much Jol's team selections were forced by the African Nations Cup or injuries etc. Slumgum | yap | stalk | 01:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed
Rumours that suggest Chelsea have offered Shaun Wright-Phillips to Tottenham Hotspur in a transfer deal in exchange for Defoe appear as yet unfounded. However, so long as one of England's more famous strikers is used as part of a squad-rotation policy, as opposed to being an automatic start, it is likely that transfer rumours will continue to surround the player.

As it was just tittle tattle and nothing more.Statto74 11:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Personal Life
He has split with Charlotte Meares following a fling with a woman who was something of a Meares lookalike. Aparantly Danielle Lloyd had been comforting Defoe since the split, sadly I have no confirmed source hence the note hereStatto74 14:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I don't think his relationship has any relevant to his notability and would not object if the text about his engagement to Meares was completely removed altogether. --Malcolmxl5 21:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Tottenham - Pompy Transfer again.
Okay, I just read the Sports section of the Daily Telegraph this morning, Defoe can't play this weekend against Spurs, because his deal started off as a Loan deal, which according to that, he played his first game against Chelsea while on a Loan contract. (Due to time restraints!)

That means, the wording about the contract is wrong in the article in a way, it is inconsistent with the news articles when I come to read them. Also means that the first game and goal for Pompy should be on loan and not combined in the infobox.

Would the rest of you agree with this? Govvy (talk) 09:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, however it may mean other articles also need changing to reflect this recent situation. For example, Hernán Crespo is one article where whether the player is on loan or a permenant signing is frequently contested, and this ruling on Defoe may need to be mirrored with other players in similar situations. Rambo&#39;s Revenge (talk) 12:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I can't see why it can't be done across the range. Govvy (talk) 16:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree and feel it should, I was just saying in the past there has been a bit of an edit war about it on the Crespo page. Rambo&#39;s Revenge (talk) 12:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * ( comment on previous two edits to main document. ) Far as I know, only his first match was while he was on loan. After that his deal was perm. Govvy (talk) 12:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

FA Premier League Rules 07/08
http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/2e/6d/0,,12306~93486,00.pdf

SECTION M - Transfers of Players’ Registrations

Temporary Transfers

5. A “Temporary Transfer” shall mean the transfer of a contract registration effected in accordance with Rules M.6 to M.10.

6. Subject to the conditions set out below, a Temporary Transfer shall be permitted:
 * 6.1 between Clubs;

7. The conditions referred to in Rule M.6 are:
 * 7.2 during the period of the Temporary Transfer of his contract registration a Player shall not play against the Transferor Club;
 * 7.5 not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time except that there shall be excluded from that number:
 * 7.5.1 any Temporary Transfer which become permanent;

My Interpretation
With reference to the relevent parts of the official rules I have given above I would like to give my understandings of these rules.

By 7.2, regardless of if he is a loan or permanent player, he wouldn't have been eligible to play against his Transferor Club (Tottenham) as it was in the (initial) period of loan contract registration.

When combining 7.5 & 7.5.1 the English doesn't make sense:

"not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time except that there shall be excluded from that number any Temporary Transfer which become permanent"

Either it is "become" so "any" implies it should be Temporary Transfers (plural) or it is "any Temporary Transfer" (singular) so "become" should either be became or is to become

This ambiguity of wording created the confusion as to if he is a loan or permanent player, so I will leave him as a permenant player as I expect this makes the most sense, and will create the least controversy. Rambo&#39;s Revenge (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * My understanding is that he was initially signed on loan because Portsmouth couldn't get a permanent deal through before midnight on 31 January (it was, I think, dependent on the Benjani transfer to Manchester City, which went through very, very late that night) and then it was made permanent a few days later. I understand also that the Premier League "clarified" their rules, saying that anyone signing on loan cannot play against their previous club later that season, even if the loan later became a permanent deal, which led to Defoe not being allowed to play against Tottenham. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Loan vs Permanent again!
Following some reversions today regarding Defoe's transfer to Pompey (Bore!) the question once again has arisen as to whether he was on loan for the first few days of Feb and until at least his first game with Chelsea before being made a permanent deal. Several reports at the start of the week following that game 4th Feb quote a Portsmouth spokesman on either 2nd or 3rd of Feb confirming that the transfer “was done as an initial loan because of time restraint” but that “the full documents will be signed and registered this week. This is a standard method when you have little time.” see  for the Times article of 4th Feb. Therefore Defoe was on loan on 2nd when he debuted for Portsmouth and despite desires to the contrary and post hoc rationalising by the team management, history cannot be rewritten even if the contracts can be backdated. Tmol42 (talk) 11:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There is absolutely no doubt that he was initially on loan at Portsmouth, even if just for a few days, as this BBC article makes very clear. This arrangement had the consequence of making Defoe ineligible to play against his former club, Spurs, in March. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Agree. It is without doubt that his first game played (and first goal) was on loan. See this. Rambo's Revenge (talk)  10:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

height
defoe is not 0.9m high, any reliable stats? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.178.38.238 (talk) 11:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Honours section.
Was there ever one? Seems it has disappeared if it was there. Can anyone find it in the history of the article? Govvy (talk) 14:26, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Second fastest hat trick?
"This included the second fastest hat-trick in Premier League history, which was scored in seven minutes.[44]" The reference does not support the statement (it says nothing about hat-tricks); it should be replaced with one that does, or the statement should be deleted. --Languagehat (talk) 16:01, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ✅, Rambo's Revenge (talk)  17:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That was fast -- thanks! --Languagehat (talk) 22:18, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

combined spurs stats
this needs a combined spurs stats box in the stats area to reflect total over two periods with the club, as of date this would be 89 in 217 appearances Bassadams 11:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassadams (talk • contribs)

Missing one goal and one appearance
According to the BBC page, defoe should have one extra appearance and goal to his name somewhere, revised stats say 166 in 388 whereas Beeb say 167 in 389. Any idea where this rogue is and who played for? 11:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassadams (talk • contribs)

Stats are pretty much up to date now, they correspond to soccer base which appears for the main to be the main research tool for the stats. It would appear Defoe played 2008 Charity Shield but as there is no other games column this has been lost, likewise there appears to be a game missed whilst playing for Bournemouth. Hopefully this should be worked out with revised stats that I have asked for by club historians Bassadams 12:38, 18 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassadams (talk • contribs)

New Contract Signed
This may not be hugely relevant, but on August 30th, Defoe signed a new three-year contract with Tottenham until 2015. See article from the BBC for confirmation.

Alexholmes93 (talk) 13:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Personal life section - grammar
"he returned to the UK upon receiving the news of his fathers death" There should be an apostrophe in 'fathers'. 86.178.67.205 (talk) 19:59, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

updating statistics after games played
Can people take care to update all columns when games and goals are played/ scored respectively. These stats took a lot of time to correct and are absolutely correct at the end of the 2011-12 season. 199 in 476 games as of todays date is also 100% accurate. However, when I checked the league game columns and goals had not been updated which as sad as it sounds, is really annoying. Please when updating, update all columns, not just the current season row etc.

Also, there is no need to add the time or time zone to the stats. Surely enough to state which date the stats are correct to??Bassadams (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Record goal scorer
Stat Alert: At time of writing, Defoe needs two more Europa League goals to become Spurs record scorer in EL, as well as becoming the leading English goal scorer in the comp. He currently has 24 goals in Europe, 21 in EL and 3 in CL. I am too dumb to understand the mechanics of editing Wiki, so I hope someone can use this info.80.111.155.138 (talk) 13:58, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Too dumb to understand? Really? Anyway, seemingly only 22 Euro goals .--Egghead06 (talk) 20:18, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Why should my lack of competence surprise you? When I went to school (1957-67) Computers were Science Fiction (almost). 80.111.155.138 (talk) 15:08, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Writing as someone who attended school whilst rationing was still in place, there is always time to learn. As to Defoe's article it has every danger of falling into tabloid reporting and endless unreferenced listing of his goals. The current season's match day reporting and the breaking of goal records is completely unreferenced for either his breaking of the records of Hunt or Chivers.--Egghead06 (talk) 17:59, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Well if you went to school when there was rationing, you are almost certainly enjoying your retirment. Perhaps when I don't have to earn a living, I will have the luxury of learning the mechanics of this site. I am sure that there are other talents that I have that can outperform you, but I would not be so sneering. I do not understand the reference to Roger Hunt. I have clearly referenced the "EL" only. Hunt Scored 31 goals. Of these 21 were in the ECWC/EC and the other 10 were in the Inter Cities Fairs Cup which was a non-UEFA competition, and UEFA does not recognise this comp in their stats. Hunt never played in the EL. I also said that Defoe needs twoItalic text more goals to achieve the record. As he only got one, I am not surprised the record is "unreferenced". 80.111.155.138 (talk) 15:56, 10 November 2013 (UTC)80.111.155.138 (talk) 15:58, 10 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Don't see any mention of Roger Hunt and you clearly read 'sneering' where none was intended. I merely point out this article requires more references and that there are people who will act as mentors to help you get up to speed with editing Wiki, some who even do jobs as well!--Egghead06 (talk) 20:43, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

As I was clearly referring to the EL in my original comment, I assumed you were talking about Roger Hunt. It appears that you are now talking about George Hunt, a player who had retired about 25 years before the advent of the EL. I can see why I might have referred to Roger Hunt in connection with the EL record. I can't see why you would have referred to George Hunt in connection with an EL record. Roger Hunt has a significant number of European Football goals. George Hunt never played in those comps80.111.155.138 (talk) 13:03, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * References have been added now relating to Defoe and the records of Hunt and Chivers.--Egghead06 (talk) 17:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

citation for Portsmouth loan and perm deal.
I tried to move it into the Notes section from the reflist, but on my preview I had messed it up, so I didn't do it, I thought it would look better in that section, would people agree with that? Govvy (talk) 15:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree, Let me know if you need any help formatting it as I have always found it a fiddly job.Tmol42 (talk) 16:29, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
 * done, hope it's okay. Govvy (talk) 15:39, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

International goals table
I was going by WP:Overlink removing the copy of the links above per the rule. But on the column "Opponent" I've messed it up a bit, I still want to remove the duplicate links, however, it seems I can't find the icon template. I think it's gone the old one and replaced by the one. And the thing is, there is no parameter for plain text on it at the moment. Was hoping someone can clean that column up for for me. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 12:28, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Combined spurs stats
Could somebody with a bit more programming expertise add a combined spurs stats row?

Defoe is now into the top 5 scorers in THFC history, and deserves a joint row/ column for all all seasons at spurs to reflect his goalscoring exploits! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bassadams (talk • contribs) 21:22, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Toronto FC?
It is already being reported by the Toronto Sun, Toronto Star, and the Guardian. MLS is also saying he is completing his movw 72.137.51.40 (talk) 20:34, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * All is just speculation unless and until there is an announcement by the THFC that, contract, medical, and personal terms etc have all been all finalised.Tmol42 (talk) 23:04, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Spurs have announced a transfer for February . 72.137.51.40 (talk) 13:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * So no need to change who he is playng for at the moment in fact not until 28 Feb. Just why its important to wait until official announcements!Tmol42 (talk) 14:00, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Current page is going back and forwards in an edit war so, is it Toronto FC or Toronto?--Egghead06 (talk) 11:05, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2014
The page has not been edited for 2 months and needs to be updated urgently as significant changes has happened to this person.

Therocket99 (talk) 23:32, 10 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Not true actually. "Urgently"?? In any case you need to say exactly what edit is required. Tmol42 (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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