Talk:Jerry Speziale

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The person is a notable drug fighter, elected official, and leader of the Port Authority Police Department which is one of the largest and most prestigious law enforcement agencies in the nation.

The individual was responsible for making the largest and most complex multi national drug investigation in the DEA's history.

Speziale is no different then William Bratton, Raymond Kelly and other notable police leaders. The man is cited in Wikipedia and over 150,000 internet articles, television, newspapers, magazines. He more than falls within the category of a notable person under Wikipedia standards.

This is just the beginning of the individual and will become expanded as others enter information. Speziale is a national expert and has been on Bill O'Reilly, Nancy Grace, Lou Dobbs, CNN, Fox News, Good Morning America, Wake up Seattle and many others.

Do an Internet search and you will find that the article is only a portion of many noteworthy accomplishments and interesting facts about this individual. The person clearly fits in the noteworthy category and all the protocol.

As this article remains, I assure you hundreds will add to the content, which will enhance and bring more wikipedia noteworthy content and subsequent articles.

The article is not cut and pasted, there are numerous sources used and cited in other wikipedia articles. If they support one article, then they support them all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DEA4120 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

〈s〉cleaned-article-Jerry Speziale〈/s〉

The article is cleaned up very much and many have added information. Can someone assist in removing the top part that cites issues as they have been rectified. Or is that a prerequisite for a period of time to get more people adding and repairing the topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magg716 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)


 * One of the requirements is that multiple editors have reviewed and cleaned up the article. Frankly, it appears that the Magg716 account is one of a number of accounts used by the same editor. —C.Fred (talk) 14:57, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Clean up
Editors of this article shoulr review WP:HEAD, and WP:OVERLINK. Ground Zero | t 04:24, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

COI
, the fact that a. this was one of the worst puff pieces I've ever seen, b. that there's a plethora of editors with IPs that geolocate to New Jersey (e.g., 24.189.106.16 and 24.184.29.57, whose many edits are only to this article) in the history, c. that puff has been added by SPAs like, I think that's reason enough. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright. I didn't see those before, but I agree that evidence is compelling (this guy is from New Jersey, and a lot of the article talked about him in a very admiring tone, or "puff"). I have no problem with the tag being restored. Spaghetti07205 (talk) 07:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Article revamp, July 2015
I've completed a major re-work of this page over the course of today. Given the article's problem with puffery I worked backwards, googling Mr. Speziale and looking him up in reliable sources/databases, then using that coverage as a guide for how the article should be structured and what aspects of his career should be emphasized. I removed some poorly sourced fluff as well. Believe that my revisions are a major improvement and that everything is adequately sourced, but of course I am happy to discuss/debate the changes here, or see others make constructive changes.

Please help me keep an eye on the article, obviously someone has been actively editing it with the goal of making Mr. Speziale look good, often in complete contrast to what reliable sources suggest. Fyddlestix (talk) 05:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, but let me add something--your method is not "backwards": it is, as far as I'm concerned, the proper way of doing things. Drmies (talk) 15:02, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * This entire entry "Teaching and expert testimony[edit]


 * appears to be "documented" by second hand information, not primary sources.


 * In addition, he continues to get involved in major incidents which make the NJ papers but do not appear on his Wikipedia page. See http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/07/port_authority_lashes_out_at_speziale_says_hes_flouted_airport_security_before.html#incart_river
 * Coco Pazzo
 * Yeah I know the sourcing on the "Teaching" section is kind of crap - but these are pretty straightforward claims that there's no particular reason to doubt. Apparently he did testify before Congress and lecture at Quantico, and both of those seem like notable activities. Whatever - I left it in, if other folks feel that it's not well-sourced enough to include, they're free to remove it I guess.
 * No idea what to do with the airport stuff (is that what got rev del'd a few days ago?) It looks to me like a case of "we thought he did something wrong, but it turns out he didn't really," which seems like it would be WP:UNDUE to talk about at length in the article. That said, the AP has picked up on the incident just today, in a story that makes reference to some (unspecified) type of hearing about the incident set for Friday. I think we should wait a little longer and see how this plays out. Fyddlestix (talk) 16:14, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
 * This story has a bit more detail, apparently the hearing is on a request by Speziale for a protective order, on the basis of his claim that he was "illegally detained" and is “afraid to return to any airport that is controlled by the Port Authority.” This is starting to look notable to me but I'd still advocate waiting a bit before including anything in the article, it's very much a he-says-they-say thing at the moment, and since the two parties are involved in an on-going lawsuit I think it's important to be cautious in what we say about this. Hopefully there'll be some reports about the hearing that will bring a bit more clarity. Fyddlestix (talk) 16:20, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Update, August 2015
There continue to be problematic edits on this article, by IP addresses and SPA's who seem determined to make Speziale look good. I've reverted them a couple times, but am posting here with an explanation since it may not be immediately obvious what's wrong with some of the edits. A couple of examples: I could go on for a while with more examples but hopefully you get the idea. I am currently sifting through the edits to see if any actually useful information or sources were added, and will re-insert them if I find anything. But if these edits continue I will be posting at the Conflict of Interest noticeboard (I won't go into it here, but there is some evidence that these editors have a close connection to the article subject) to seek help with maintaining NPOV and verifiability on this article. Oh, and I've posted notes on each of the IPs and SPA's talk pages, so far none of them have acknowledged (or heeded) my warnings/pleas. Fyddlestix (talk) 04:26, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * adding content which cannot be verified with a reliable source, without adding a source.
 * repeatedlychanging a direct quote from a source, without adding a new source (the new "quote" does not appear in that source, or in any source that I can find).
 * Adding factually inaccurate content (every reliable source that I can find, including the one cited for that sentence, says "director" rather than "commissioner."
 * Removing factually accurate, referenced content that might be perceived as making the subject of the article look bad. Here is another example.
 * Adding irrelevant trivia that might be perceived as making the subject of the article look good.
 * Adding spin to the article by removing well-sourced, notable information in favor of un-referenced content that cannot be verified.
 * Adding copyrighted images, multiple times.
 * Adding primary sources and OR.

Possible BLP concerns?
Should this section of the article be included or is it undue/a BLP problem?

What about this one?

Both are cases where a potentially serious allegation was made against Speziale; in the first case, he faced no charges (although someone who worked closely with him was found guilty of a different offense as a result of the investigation), in the second case the Sheriff's Office was found liable, but not Speziale himself. Both are currently not in the article, I am seeking advice/consensus here on whether they should be re-inserted or not. Thanks! Fyddlestix (talk) 16:40, 9 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: it's possible there are other sources out there on these incident/allegations that aren't referenced here. Fyddlestix (talk) 16:48, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The first one should not be included here. The second one is a maybe.  Not as currently written as it reaches far too hard on adding the details about the ID cards. Ravensfire ( talk ) 16:59, 9 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The quote you added about the second case does help tie it in to this article. The current sources seem to primarily focus on the retaliation, so would probably need to start with that and mention that it was over the ID cards being issued improperly under order from Speziale which Speziale denied having done.  Ravensfire ( talk ) 14:33, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

I bel wove it's a recipe for libel and defamation as Speziale was not charged, not found responsible and leaping to an agency that large and painting Speziale with that brush puts this not in a neutral point of view and appears to be an attack on an individual for being a leader of an organization when a jury found he was w no implication at all in any of the allegations or accusations which they remain to be just that. Night editors (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Suit
The suit claims, among other things, that automobile assigned to him was taken away; an inquiry was performed into his use of the car, he was given assignments to distract him, that his wife's medical benefits were curtailed, and trivial tasks to detract him from the investigations and his Facebook account was hacked.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2017
Please be advised that the article cites that a criminal investigation was underway based on the Passaic County Freeholders, which was never undertaken and under the Wikipedia policy the criminal investigation and that should not be cited because it is against the policy as it never materialized and never any criminal convictions which is the standard.

The article goes on to talk about the rule about search warrants, which at that time was Chris Christie, then US Attorney and NJ Attorney General David Sampson with numerous articles about the mentor of Christie being David Sampson former attorney general of NJ who's been convicted in bridge gate and convicted of bribery which leads to the relationship and conviction and credibility of him. Then there are the secret hearings by El Atriss who was responsible for providing ID cards and fake licenses to the hijackers of September 11th. Speziale's investigators conducted the investigation as the secret hearings were released and prove that Bergen, Essex, Passaic did the investigation and the FBI was notified about the warrant so why a depp chill? They knew and backed out and then there are articles that show somehow El Atriss was tipped off and fled hours before the raid. Report the facts not the negative. Speziale was a powerful political figure and well regarded in his positions, yet the article paints as if Speziale did the investigation. He was the head of the organization and three agencies jointly did the investigation. He was the head of the organization which misleads the reader and damages the individual. Speziale was a popular star as sheriff.

http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/city-hall/story/2017/03/samson-avoids-prison-time-after-shaking-down-united-airlines-110106 https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/judge-unseals-transcripts-closed-hearings-el-atriss http://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news/el-atriss-hearing-transcripts-released http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/25/nyregion/4-transcripts-are-released-in-case-tied-to-9-11-hijackers.html http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/934890/posts http://www.bluejersey.com/2010/08/the-politics-of-jerry-speziale/(108.170.105.122 (talk) 13:05, 27 July 2017 (UTC)). 108.170.105.122 (talk) 13:05, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is why the article was protected in the first place. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 22:51, 27 July 2017 (UTC)