Talk:Jesse James Hollywood

Why is Jesse Rugge being redirected to this Page
He is a separate person? Shouldn't he have his own entry as one of the key figures in this case? I would like more information on this witness. --190.0.86.81 15:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * On Wednesday, March 22, 2006 Jesse Rugge's parole petition was denied. He was not a witness but a member of the Jesse James Hollywood's crew. He was sentence to 25 years to life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterockboston (talk • contribs) 00:10, 10 June 2008

A bunch of unsigned, uncategorized, old discussion
"On August 8, 2000 he was shot and killed by a group of men working for Jesse, in the mountains north of Goleta, California."

"He was apprehended on March 9, 2005 in Brazil"

I think a little more clarity would be useful here about who "he" refers to. I'm assuming that the first sentence refers to Nicholas, but could do with a pointer from someone who knows. Robotmannick 07:08, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

There is a discrepancy involving the debt owed, it ranges from $1500.00(US) to many thousands more. The "He" that was shot (9 times with a semi-auto)was Nicholas Markowitz the younger step brother of Benjamin Markowitz. Benjamin had a drug debt with Jesse James Hollywood.

Poorly written. Protokurios 20:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

'''On August 6, 2000, Hollywood ... abducted Benjamin's 15-year-old stepbrother Nicholas Markowitz. Nicholas was unaware of the danger he was in and spent several days ... partying with his captors, even losing his virginity. ... on August 8, 2000, ... Nicholas was shot and killed by a group of men working for Hollywood.'''

I'm a little confused by this section. Based on the dates given, Nicholas was killed two days after he was kidnapped. Yet the article says he spent "several days ... partying with his captors." How could he have spent "several days" doing anything if he was essentially their captive for only three days and two nights?

The date has been changed to August 9th based on the FBI Press Release of Jesse James Hollywood's capture.

He spent three days with them. then they took him to a popular hiking area in Goleta, dug a hole, and shot him.

My bet is that someone working for the studios wrote that lame description of Jesse James Hollywood, to make the story seem more true than fabricated.


 * This is NO fake I guarantee you, please read I am sorry this is offensive to me as I considered the victim a friend http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/jesse_james_hollywoo/1.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 12 August 2008

This is not fake, and his name really if Jesse James Hollywood - I live in Goleta and it happened in the mountings which is like a 20 minute drive from the lemon tree in which is located in Santa Barbara where Nicholas Markowitz spent his last hours. Everyone should see the movie its supposed to be held very true to the facts since the Santa Barbara Jusge who presided over the trials of the others that were involved handed over all transcripts including confidential material to the director/writer of the movie (alpha dog). if anyone does a little research it will clearly show that these people actually do exist and this actually did happen. When1eight=2zeros

"When Hollywood appeared on America's Most Wanted, some tips led to Canada, where Hollywood was a bitch." I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean or why it was there, but I deleted it. It was the first line in the Capture section. Mobkey 04:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * This is just a general response to everyone here; please try to keep the spelling and grammar to a decent level as much of it is illegible and VERY difficult to read. I looked over this section and fixed nothing but the most egregious spelling mistakes, such as misspellings with words containing as little as 1-3 letters. Grow up. Rocky 03:27, 12 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 12 August 2008

THIS IS IN FACT GENUINE
Jesse James Hollywood is in fact a serial killer awaiting trial in California, this is no fake, Benjamin Markowitz was a citizen of Simi Valley, CA.

I know this is true b-cuz I knew Ben, Jesse James was a name he bought himself after he became wealthy, his birth name is not known to me.

Jesse James Hollywood associates still control much of the drug traffic within Ventura County.

THIS IS NOT FAKE and it would be a GREAT INJUSTICE TO the Markowitz Family to pulls this article.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/celebrity/jesse_james_hollywoo/1.html

When1eight=2zeros

Jesse James Hollywood is his birth name. You can find it in the California Birth Records (which are public). --Kenny 18:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Jesse James Hollywood would not be classified as a serial killer (he himself did not kill anyone, one could only be a serial killer by definition if one were to murder three or more persons one by one in a series of incidents). moving on, his real name is Jesse James Hollywood as the above person has mention it is public information and fairly easy to find. Now majority of his drug activities took place in San Fernando Valley which is located in Los Angeles county - not in Ventura County. User: Blackstarz26 17:58, 15 January 2007 Oh damn boo. I really like blackstarz26. you know your stuff!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.60.156.11 (talk) 20:52, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Alleged
It seems that this article presumes the guilt of Hollywood in spite of the fact that his trial has not yet begun. Is it not necessary to write that the 'facts' in this article are disputed by Hollywood? I agree with the writer above that sources for this article are necessary, which that might clear up some of the issues. 67.190.100.152 19:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)BC


 * Alleged is a difficult word in this instance. There are court cases and people in jail and solid proof that the Markowitz kid was kidnapped, that the older Markowitz was a drug dealer, etc.  The only "alleged" thing in this situation is that Hollywood allegedly ordered the murder.  There is NO DOUBT in any case that the group kidnapped the kid, one could say that Hollywood was allegedly involved in the kidnapping, but the kid was not allegedly kidnapped.  One might say that Markowitz allegedly owed money to Hollywood, but not that Markowitz was an alleged drug dealer as it has been proven that he is.  One might say that Hollywood allegedly sold drugs to Markowitz, but not that Hollywood was a drug dealer...because it has been proven that he was.  One does not commit an error by saying that "the group kidnapped Markowitz."  It is an error to say that the group "allegedly kidnapped Markowitz" as that gives the presumption of innocence to the entire group, rather than just Hollywood.  It would be more appropriate to say that the group kidnapped Markowitz and Hollywood was allegedly with them.  Additionally it would be more appropriate to say that "Hollywood allegedly did it because the elder Markowitz owed him drug money." 74.132.172.179 01:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Article Cleanup
Is anyone heading the article cleanup. I am noticing a lot of "facts" that are not based on references such as "Markowitz also had threatened to reveal a $36,000 insurance scam involving Hollywood, who had sold a sport car for parts and then reported it stolen in an attempt to obtain insurance benefits." Markowitz had alerted authorities and there is no reference. Not going to change and reference if someone else is running the cleaning up of the article.--DizFreak talk Contributions 08:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Benjamin Markowitz worked as a drug dealer for Hollywood, selling marijuana on consignment, and had accumulated a debt to Hollywood of around $1,200. Markowitz also had threatened to reveal a $36,000 insurance scam involving Hollywood, who had sold a sports car for parts and then reported it stolen in an attempt to obtain insurance benefits.

http://sblocal.typepad.com/santa_barbara_local/2007/05/alpha_dog_dvd_n.html http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/celebrity/jesse_james_hollywoo/2.htmlb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peterockboston (talk • contribs) (peterockboston)- 6/9/08

Court document unavailable
Reference 7 is unavailable at the court's website. JensMueller 23:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Why no reference to the original Jesse James?
I believe it is completely obvious whos name it is. Jesse James People need to know when one alledged killer has the name of another. DiRilict 22:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Jesse James from the 1800s has nothing to do with this guy, as much as people like you would love to see media hype. Rocky 02:47, 15 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rock8591 (talk • contribs)

Brazilian laws
The grammar in this section doesnt look like it was crafted by a native speaker of English. Can someone who knows the facts clean it up, I'm not clear on what they're trying to say about the pregnancy and extradition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.209.47 (talk) 23:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Can't be Brazil
This guy could not have been arrested in Brazil but had to be in Paraguay just as the film stated because Brazil has a law that anyone in Brazil cannot be arrested and extradited while in Brazil for crimes they committed in another country.


 * No, they don't. Batman2005 12:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Brazil deported him because of a crime committed in Brazil. He was living in brazil under false documents

I can't find any supporting sources currently but at the time of his capture there was a story that he had a pregnant Brazilian girlfriend. Can anyone find a source on this? Chops79 14:13, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Using an Interpol warrant, Brazilian authorities arrested Hollywood at a shopping center just after he and his girlfriend sat down at an outdoor table. As he was led away in handcuffs, witnesses said his girlfriend cried: "My son! My son! I have a son with him!" http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-20347.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.63.92 (talk) 23:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I added that.--Patrick 16:34, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Why'd he do it?
The current article makes no mention of why Markowitz was killed. 68.166.64.212 (talk) 12:26, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

His brother owed Jesse money.

Alpha Dog
Why was the section completely removed? I could see trimming it down alittle, but now there is no reference to the movie at all.

Also, the mentioning of Graham Pressley & Jesse Rugge gives no connection to Jesse Hollywood elsewhere in this article. Were they accomplices? If so, please give a reference. Otherwise, please remove those sentences. 68.0.226.152 (talk) 01:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree--there needs to be some better editing here because it's entirely unclear how these people are related in the events of JJH's life. (69.19.14.24 (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2008 (UTC))

Contradictions
According to the article, Jesse James Hollywood is on death row, serving a life sentence AND still awaiting trial. Can't be all three. Viciouslies (talk) 12:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)


 * That sentence referred to Hoyt. Hollywood is awaiting trial, Hoyt is on death row. BBiiis08 (talk) 07:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Legal issue
I don't want to start a general discussion about this, but it seems very odd to me, that a person which has been arrested as early as 2005 is still awaiting trial nearly 4 years afterwards. Can someone insert a legal reference why this is the case, how this is possible and if this procedure is normal for the US legal system? (I thought the defendant has the right to be presented in front of court and that his trial needs to start as soon as possible)

By the way, in all I am of the opinion that this site needs some kind of general clean up, as it is not very structured. Akuram (talk) 10:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It is highly likely that this article is severely out of date. It's entirely possible that the legal case has been adjudicated, but no one bothered to update the Wikipedia article.  :)  While this isn't a forum for general discussion of the topic, I will say that it's not uncommon for trials to be delayed for months or even years -- in most circumstances, it's the defense who asks for the delay.  There is no requirement that trials occur swiftly; defendants have the right to a speedy trial, but they may choose to not assert that right (and ask for delays).  Also, when you say the "site" needs some cleanup and is unstructured, do you mean this article specifically, or Wikipedia in general?  //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 16:57, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * According to the text in the article, the trial date has been moved to 27 April 2009. It seems to me, that at least this is up to date. However it strikes me odd, that the date is nearly four years after the arrest of Jesse James Hollywood and there is no reference to why that is the case. Would that not be of quite some interest to general readers? Did the defendant delay the trial or the prosecution? When I read the article that was an immediate question which came to my head.


 * Of course I meant this article is not very structured and not Wikipedia in general, sorry for that. For example I believe recent development should be mentioned somewhere quite at the beginning rather than at the bottom below, hidden in the "fugitive" section.


 * The fact that he got portrayed in the film "Alpha Dog" should be mentioned at the end with all its references as it is done with all other famous people. And he supposedly still has all the body features, like eye colour, hight etc., mentioned in "Childhood and adolescence" as he is still alive.


 * I also don't understand, why there is an seperate "athletics" section, as I can't see that he was an outstanding sports person and it has nothing to do with his reason of "fame". At least half of that section is not related to the topic (athletics). The fact that he recruited Benjamin Markowitz dispensing narcotics for him because they knew each other from high school is one thing, why it shall be ironic that they played in the same baseball league and trained in the same gym is beyond me. The whole last two sentences in that section make no sence at all or need at least be moved to another section and edited.


 * I also strongly doubt that he was living on Copacabana Beach (that is basically not possible), and rather believe he was living close by to that beach in the city of Rio de Janeiro. Again I fail to see the relevance of the beach to the whole article.


 * His accomplices, if their fate is needed to be mentioned at all in this article, would need a seperate section.


 * Basically this article looks "blown up" with unnecessary information, like the beach and his baseball activities, to make the article look bigger and more important than actually needed. Akuram (talk) 12:13, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I did some massive cleaning up to deal with the issues mentioned above. To the person who wants to know why the trial has been taking so long, Hollywood's attorney was suing the prosecutor's office over the Alpha Dog movie for two years. They slowed down the pace on top of the slow process it takes when a defendant waives his right to a speedy trial to prepare for his defense. BBiiis08 (talk) 18:47, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Article gets exremely informal and biased
In the section "Narcotics Operation and Murder," it all gets really informal and biased after this sentence: They drove up to Richard Hoeflinger's house, a friend of Rugge's. Everyone was smoking weed, drinking, listening to rap music, playing video games, and having a good time.

It seems to be written from Jesse Jame Hollywood's defense attorney's perspective or something. Also, it has no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.96.82 (talk) 02:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

May 17'th 2012, this section still sounds incredibly biased and as if it were written by his defence attorney. It does not meet the standard writing criteria of Wikipedia and offers no sources or citations. The information needs to be corrected as soon as possible so as not to mislead readers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.70.59 (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

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