Talk:Jessica Amanda Salmonson

Gender issue
According to Mike Ashley's 'Who's Who In Horror & Fantasy Fiction', Salmonson was originally a man called Jake, with a different surname. This gender change is quite significant and should feature in the main article because not only was 'Jessica Amanda Salmonson' not technically born on the date in question, but it conceals an important fact. Does anyone have Salmonson's original birth certificate name and the date of the sex change? Also, does Wikipedia really believe that somebody's alleged criticism of message board posts merits inclusion in an entry? The article in its current state is inaccurate, flawed and promotional. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.156.95 (talk) 14:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * As the original author of this article, I was aware of the sex change and other possibly delicate issues in regard to Salmonson, among them a long history of participation in online argument. At that time, the main evidence for both was the content of the online argument itself, not really citable by wikipedia's standards. Under the circumstances, it seemed best to me to limit the article to what could be easily and uncontroversially verified. It is always best to err on the side of caution in writing about living people.


 * My feeling was that the main noteworthy facts about her that warranted her inclusion in wikipedia are her writings and scholarship.


 * I presume the Ashley work is in-print and authoritative, so it presumably could be referenced to back up the material you attribute to it, if you want to add it.


 * The brief promotional statements in the article were, I believe, added by Salmonson herself. I don't see them as a problem since they merely direct people to her own, rather scholarly websites, and a casual glance at these tends to support the statements. BPK (talk) 14:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I do notice that all references to Salmonson's birth name and gender transition have been taken out of the article, although they are easy enough to find in the reference books, and, for that matter, were chronicled by Salmonson in fanzine articles at the time (I wonder if anybody still has copies of old fanzines from the 70s?).  108.81.78.48 (talk) 02:33, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The fact has never been a secret. Not "Jake," however. Jess[i]e Amos Salmonson, per:
 * Ashley, Michael. Science Fiction, Fantasy and Weird Fiction Magazines. Bloomsbury Academic, 1985. 372-373.
 * "born Jesse Amos Salmonson [...] while editing [The Literary Magazine of Fantasy and Terror], JAS went through a sex and consequent name change, an experience which she recorded openly in the journal." (Clute 832)
 * Clute, John and John Grant, eds. Encyclopedia of Fantasy. St. Martin's Griffin, 1999. 832.
 * Disch, Thomas M. The Dreams Our Stuff is Made Of: How Science Fiction Conquered the World. Free Press, 1998. 133-134.
 * King, Katie. Networked Reenactments: Stories Transdisciplinary Knowledges Tell. Duke UP, 2012. 182.
 * Phillips, Julie. James Tiptree, Jr.: the double life of Alice B. Sheldon. Picador, 2006. 391.
 * Pringle, David. St. James Guide to Fantasy Writers. St. James Press, 1996. 508-509.
 * Reginald, Robert. Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature, 1975-1991: A Bibliography of Science Fiction, Fantasy, and Horror Fiction Books and Nonfiction Monographs. Gale Research, 1992. 853.

2603:7081:3200:582D:8018:3DCE:DD6F:8EE2 (talk) 20:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Looks like reliable sources to me; why not add them?
 * NumberC35 (talk) 16:32, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

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