Talk:Jessica Feshbach/Archive 1

Before Cruise
It might be interesting to add information about Rodriguezs' activities before Cruise control became he primary focus. Jake b 17:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Born Feshbach, now Rodriguez?
So, how did she acquire the Rodriguez surname? 10:04, 2 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have heard that she married Senior C/S WUS Andres Rodriguez, but I don't have a source for that. AndroidCat 12:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Jessica Rodriguez is hardly notable. This article should be merged with that of Katie Holmes. S. M. Sullivan 04:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. Ms Rodriguez is one of those people who is only notable for one thing. Steve Dufour 03:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

First Paragraph
"Jessica Rodriguez rose to worldwide prominence during the media furor over Scientology's involvement with actress Katie Holmes."

This is a little poor for an encyclopaedia's opening sentence. Wouldn't a sentence beginning with the more traditional "Jessica Rodriguez is a..." be better? I read this first sentence and had absolutely no idea who she was.

Material removed from article, could be added back later
This material was removed from the article, could be added back in at a later point in time after some research and discussion. Cirt (talk) 20:00, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Early life
Rodriguez was born Jessica Feshbach, daughter of Joe and Cindy Feshbach and a member of the Feshbach family, among the wealthiest and most influential families in Scientology. Cindy runs the Palo Alto Scientology organization and the South of Market Scientology mission in San Francisco.

Role in Scientology
Rodriguez reached Scientology level OT IV (Operating Thetan level 4) in 2003. She is considered a highly-trained Scientology auditor by other Scientologists, and is specially trained to run Scientology security checks and deliver the False Purpose Rundown. She is a member of Scientology's Sea Org, an elite and extremely dedicated group who pledge to serve Scientology for a billion years, lifetime after lifetime.

External link removed
This external link was removed from the WP:EL section, but it could be used as a source in the article text itself later on. Cirt (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Scientology "Princess" is a Spooky Shadow on Kooky Katie, New York Post, 6/19/05
 * The full article is available at the Post site for $3.95 or, of course, for free at your local library. Certainly it contains plenty of material that could be used here though I caution that the Post article goes well beyond what is acceptable here of an individual whose notability is so limited as Rodriguez'. Please review WP:BLP for guidelines. --Justallofthem (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay I will look into it further. Cirt (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Specifically WP:NPF. Hers is only a reflected notability and of a tabloid nature at that. --Justallofthem (talk) 20:10, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree. This individual is a public figure. Cirt (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hardly. But we can cross that bridge later, I think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justallofthem (talk • contribs)

Let's cross that bridge now. Jessica a public figure. --Fahrenheit451 (talk) 22:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay thanks. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 22:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I am glad we cleared that up. Whatever was I thinking (smirk). Anyway, we do not have to truly cross that bridge until the article reaches a point that an editor (me for instance) that thinks otherwise might find objectionable. --Justallofthem (talk) 23:50, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Remove
Wikipedia is not the place for your hollywood drama, nobody will care or need this info in 100 yearsThanatos465 (talk) 04:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually she has received a bit more coverage recently, as an influential figure within Scientology management. Cirt (talk) 04:04, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Note, added text from an FA quality article
Note, added text from WP:FA quality article, Katie Holmes, to this page. -- Cirt (talk) 02:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This all relates to her passing mentions in the flurry of news coverage about Cruise and Holmes. None of the articles do more that give a tiny bit of background information about her as they describe her appearances with Holmes. She was not the focus of the story, no real effort was made to do a story about her that provide information for a biographical encyclopedia article. As you noted, the material was in the Katie Holmes article so it does not need to be repeated here. Since she is known for her appearances with Holmes, then this article could redirect to Holmes article. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 03:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we please keep the notability-related comments to the AFD page? Gets confusing to discuss the same topic in multiple locations. -- Cirt (talk) 04:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

No Reliable Sources (yet )for status as Scientology high official
I looked for sources under several names prior to the Afd, and nothing I saw had reliable sources for background information that would substantiate an official position beyond spokesperson. For example, the FoxNews article makes a vague mention of her status in Scientology by quoting unnamed groups that monitor the Church of Scientology. This is hardly a reliable source for an encyclopedia article. If we don't find something else more reliable than we need to remove the bit about her status as an official. FloNight&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;&#9829; 02:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still in the process of doing more research. Please bear with it, as it is ongoing. -- Cirt (talk) 04:36, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Additional sources

 * Additional sources, in above listed searches. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 01:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of these have since been used, however - still doing some additional research. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 06:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Additional sources, in above listed searches. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 01:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of these have since been used, however - still doing some additional research. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 06:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Additional sources, in above listed searches. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 01:44, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Most of these have since been used, however - still doing some additional research. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 06:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Joseph Feshbach

 * Some additional searches for research. -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still have to do additional research on these, multiple terms above are definitely more than notable enough for separate independent articles. Will probably get to that at some point in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Some additional searches for research. -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still have to do additional research on these, multiple terms above are definitely more than notable enough for separate independent articles. Will probably get to that at some point in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Some additional searches for research. -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still have to do additional research on these, multiple terms above are definitely more than notable enough for separate independent articles. Will probably get to that at some point in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Some additional searches for research. -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still have to do additional research on these, multiple terms above are definitely more than notable enough for separate independent articles. Will probably get to that at some point in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Some additional searches for research. -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still have to do additional research on these, multiple terms above are definitely more than notable enough for separate independent articles. Will probably get to that at some point in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Some additional searches for research. -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still have to do additional research on these, multiple terms above are definitely more than notable enough for separate independent articles. Will probably get to that at some point in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Some additional searches for research. -- Cirt (talk) 07:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Still have to do additional research on these, multiple terms above are definitely more than notable enough for separate independent articles. Will probably get to that at some point in the future. -- Cirt (talk) 06:27, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Equity investing
An article, many years ago by "Adam Smith" pointed out, in a Senate hearing, that picking stocks by throwing darts, while blindfolded, at the NYXE list was as accurate as any other method and generally bore better returns that those of some Wall Street "gurus" of that era! Again, so much, therefore, for Scientology, Ron H and all the other weak charactered ****. Semperlibre (talk) 10:00, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * An interesting perspective, do you have the full cite for the article? -- Cirt (talk) 10:02, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Clarification of a sentence
The article currently has this: In their book Cults and New Religions, Douglas E. Cowan and David G. Bromley describe the Sea Org writing, "Described by the Church as 'a fraternal religious order,' members of the Sea Org 'occupy the most essential and trusted positions in the senior churches in the Scientology hierarchy'." The quotes within quotes are confusing - I have no idea who Cowan and Bromley are quoting, and given the contentious subject matter, that is important. The structure of the sentence is also a little clumsy ("describe" used twice, once outside, then inside, the quote). Can someone look at reorganising this? hamiltonstone (talk) 02:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe they are quoting primary source material from the Scientology organization itself. -- Cirt (talk) 15:16, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Good article nomination: successful
How can you validate that Jessica Feshbach is best friends with Katie Holmes. Information from recent news articles and reports paint a very different picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.237.210.178 (talk) 17:20, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

/GA1. Good work! AGK [&bull; ] 14:28, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, very much. These kind words are most appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 14:55, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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