Talk:Jessica Nigri/Archive 1

Birthplace
She is born in NEW ZEALAND but an AMERICAN cosplayer? How does this work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foozy7 (talk • contribs) 06:33, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

On IMDB is another birthplace: "August 5, 1989 in Phoenix, Arizona, USA"

Wait....when did she become an important person? Umma Kynes 01:04, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

When she became popular at cosplay events, the kind attended and/or observed from afar by hundreds if not thousands of geeks/nerds who would normally otherwise wait a lifetime to meet and speak with a hot, bubbly, large-breasted, friendly female geek - who also happens to be knowledgeable about videogames and quite talented at making costumes. Duh. See her Mail Mondays videos on YouTube. ZappoTheGentleman (talk) 09:22, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

So I guess I just wrote the article
It's still missing some stuff, like the charity work, but I guess it's mostly complete. --Niemti (talk) 18:06, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Miss Monday pro(mo) gig update
In 2012, in a breakthrough event, Nigri won IGN's contest for a model to portray Juliet Starling, protagonist of Suda51's video game Lollipop Chainsaw, and was hired as a spokesmodel by Warner Bros. Games. When she appeared as Juliet at the 2012 Penny Arcade Expo (PAX) East, convention officials, having received complaints that the pink outfit she was wearing was too revealing, asked her to either change or step off the floor and restrict her presence to a demonstration area inside a bus at the booth for that game; Nigri changed into a Juliet Starling costume, but that costume was deemed too revealing as well, and she was asked to leave. As part of the deal, Kadokawa Games brought her on Lollipop Chainsaw tour to several Japanese magazines and blogging websites, including Famitsu and Dengeki. Nigri also signed up to promote Kill3rCombo's video game Elsword, as well as comic book series Grimm Fairy Tales (for Zenescope Entertainment) and Knightingail (by Crucidel Productions). In 2013, she was again approached by Suda51 to portray the character Vivienne Squall from Grasshopper Manufacture's new video game KILLER IS DEAD, which she did. That same year, after cosplaying Connor Kenway from Assassin's Creed III, she was hired by Ubisoft to portray a female version of Captain Edward Kenway, protagonist of the video game Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag; at E3 2013, she portrayed both Vivienne Squall and Edward Kenway. She also portrayed the character Miss Monday while promoting Tecmo Koei's video game Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z at the PAX 2013.

It's a whole paragraph to be replaced, due to various related minor fixes through it.

Apparently in the press kit she was officially billed as a "representative" while a guy as Yaiba was "cosplayer". (lol) That's the first time I've heard such a term, I think. --Niemti (talk) 05:18, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Sources may be lacking

 * I have not looked through the entire article but this stood out to me:Nigri was spokesmodel for Amazing Arizona Comic Con 2011,[28]" The source is just a Youtube video showing her at work at the Con. I am guessing that an article that is so over referenced for a subject of such borderline notability (if at all), that there is bound to be a lot more unreferenced stuff. This article needs to be unlocked and worked on really hard, and perhaps even AFD'd.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * "Jessica Nigri was born in the United States, but grew up in New Zealand, where her mother hailed from;[2][3][4] " Lose reference number 2. Its just a fan Youtube video and is not RS and not needed. the other two videos appear to qualify for use to reference the content...if it actually does. Not going to go through all of it.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to wonder if it is encyclopedic to mention her working at Trader Joes for three years, regardless of it being mentioned in any RS.


 * Do we have to over stuff simple statements like:"In 2012, in a breakthrough event, Nigri won IGN's contest for a model to portray Juliet Starling, protagonist of Suda51's video game Lollipop Chainsaw, and was hired as a spokesmodel by Warner Bros. Games.[8][9][10][11][12]" I can't help but see this as over referenced. Seriously over referenced. Reference 11 seems to be a news story...but has a copyright violation lifting passages right from the article:"Penny Arcade's Khoo clarified to us that she was asked to change or step off the floor (technically, to restrict her presence to a demo area inside a bus in the game's booth). ".--Mark Miller (talk) 07:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference 13, "Two fun people were asked to leave PAX East" is a blog and needs to be deleted.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference 18, Canadian online gamers, is a blog and needs to be deleted.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference 24, "XCVii007r1" is a non English source and as there are other English sources with equal validity already being used, that should be deleted.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:48, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference 25, "Jessica Nigri becomes an Assassin with her latest cosplay" is a blog and needs to be deleted.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

There is probably more but that at least illustrates how the article is in need of much work.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:11, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) It's not a [Nigri] fan video, it's an interview where Nigri says in her own words, and everything there is entirely plausible, etc. The guy's on his own http://www.cosplayinamerica.com/ but again it's just Nigri's own words (about herself).
 * It is indeed nothing more than a fan video and is over referencing the claim. You must demonstrate the author is more than a fan with a video upload to chow that it is RS.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) Trader, as I said above: "The Trader stuff, currently in, is also not needed (just a minimal wage unskilled job".
 * 2) I didn't write about the PAX East drama (only edited it somehow), might by a copyvio but I don't know who did it. Oh, you meant Kotaku (ref 11) plagiarized stuff from another source, right? The current (since they became a "social justice" oriented click-bait trap) Kotaku's absolute shit, I know. See below.


 * No, I meant that the Wikipedia article lifts to much of the exact wording from the source and is a copyright violation on Wikipedia.--Mark Miller (talk) 03:53, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * 1) I really don't think Destructoid "needs to be deleted" because "it's blog". (If you want to "delete" some gaming blog website from Wikipedia, do it with Kotaku, or at least their Patricia Hernandez, who's probably the most hated author in the entire gaming community.)


 * Yeah? Well, if it aint a news blog it aint RS. Delete and review what constitutes a reliable source please as you are now demonstrating a lack of of understanding of or sourcing policies and guidelines.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

And as for you mentioned Amazing Arizona Comic Con 2011, this "subject of such borderline notability (if at all)" returns there in 2014 to Special Guest as "World Famous Cosplayer" and "COSPLAY SUPERSTAR" (their own descriptions, but it's just how cons and other sources call her nowadays, evidently because her notability is so extremely "borderline (if at all)"). --Niemti (talk) 12:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think she is not notable at all (or at least borderline at best), but my opinion is not the point. The fact that you used a primary source that does not actually support the claim being made is and since it clearly has other references makes this look like someone trying to promote themselves or their video.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:22, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

And no, i just checked and Kotaku didn't plagiarize anything, in fact it was them who talked with Robert Khoo about it. (Me defending the current Kotaku, the sky is falling.) --Niemti (talk) 12:50, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Whoever used the EXACT wording from the source has violated our policy on copyright. Don't get that> Well OK then. You should review our policies and guidelines a little more.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:25, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

One actual problem that I'd like to mention is with the KILLER IS DEAD live action trailer / short film thingy role. Apparently, it's a whole web series sort of a thing and it's titled KID TV: http://www.youtube.com/user/kadokawagames/search?query=KID+TV This should be fixed, the title corrected, and the current swapped because it's just somoene's YT mirror of 1 clip from kadokawagames's channel. --Niemti (talk) 13:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I was trying to help, but it is clear the editor is not attempting to understand the issues. I think an AFD is in order.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:26, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
 * If you cannot work out the issues on this page, take it to WP:DRN. And for future reference, do not quip that AFD is "in order" as if tacitly indicating that it is the correct response to a disagreement, because that is how it came across to me. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The next step in a content dispute is not to move to an AfD, especially when it went through one this year with the result of "Keep". Just because editors disagree about content doesn't mean that the article should just be deleted. I think that is your frustration talking. Liz  Read! Talk! 00:24, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In case editors were not aware...there is no order to the DR process and if an editor sees copyright issues, on top of notability issues, reference issues etc., than yes, an AFD may be "in order" and please do not attempt to censor me or my opinion. Seriously. I don't appreciate the "do not quip that..". It is my opinion and was offered in good faith that the article has clear copyright violations that would normally be removed with no discussion.--Mark Miller (talk) 01:26, 8 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I understood perfectly well, the thing is they're mostly not real issues (and if you really want to "delete" Destructoid, which is used all around in more than 1,000 other articles, for being a blog, plz do it with Shitaku first). Btw, who are the notable "at all" cosplayers, according to you? And your "copyrights issues" are just laughable, a matter of literally 10 seconds of work to fix if it wasn;t locked. It's like you're trolling. --Niemti (talk) 15:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Cosplay list
Is there an need for this? This feels like cruft. If she were an actor playing those roles in films and other works, that's one thing, but this is not the same thing; it's her personal choices for cosplay. Some of her more notable cosplay roles are mentioned in the text prose, and we have photos of her in others, but I simply thing its extraneous to list out all her roles, particularly if one has to rely on her FB and YouTube videos for validation. --M ASEM (t) 02:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I tend to think not, but then again, being notable for cosplay may be perceived as being different from notability for acting. I think we should restrict the appearances to those for which there is secondary source coverage, and even then, they should be summarized, kinda like how the guest signings in the Midtown Comics article are summarize with just a few examples. We could list a lot more, all with secondary coverage (and I believe that it previously did), but I don't think it's the type of thing that should be indexed in a detailed manner. Thoughts? Nightscream (talk) 05:16, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

She's:
 * 1) cosplayer
 * 2) model

This is a list of both of these things, and only at public events. Her public appearances are now literally attractions all in themselves, she's got insanely popular and it's just snowballing still (like currently 1.2 million FB likes, and this is the 7,035 most clicked article on enwiki).

So, yes.

Btw, she had some costumes she's apparently has never appeared at any event and only to photoshoots (such as Tsunade and female Ash), but these are not on the list at all. It was also her early stuff, back when she was mostly just "this Sexy Pikachu girl" (her Rikku was also pretty popular, but it was in general just "that Rikku", and not "Jessica Nigri"). I've skipped this aspect over completely and I mention it now, but I don't think it's needed. Also there was a thing I've first added, then removed, about how her home burned down in 2010. She's not talking about it in interviews and Q&As, so there's no need to mention it. (Also it just felt odd being there.) The Trader stuff, currently in, is also not needed (just a minimal wage unskilled job, also the way she talks about it there is literally an advertisement for them). --Niemti (talk) 05:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think the article needs the full "Public cosplay and modeling" section. I question both the notability of the full list and the encyclopedic value of it.--Mark Miller (talk) 08:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Just because she's a cosplayer and model does not mean that therefore, every appearance should be listed. The articles on Cindy Crawford and Miranda Kerr do not list every single magazine cover they appeared on, and rightfully so. Instead, the article body summarizes the highpoints or exceptional aspects of their careers. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Nightscream (talk) 09:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Cosplay, as in "professional cosplay" (a sort of deliberate simplification / neologism, but it's a long story - this is why I didn't go with "professional cosplayer" anywhere in the article), is something almost entirely else then traditional celebrity modeling really (except the practice of how the pro photoshoots look like, but I didn't even bother with just the photohsoots here for the article, I only mentioned the CHIVE cooperation thing because apparently those folks are Wikipedia notable). Think moren of roles (as characters), by actors (instead of learning the role, you create a costume; actually learning the role can also be on table, but I still keep it simple here). Let's see a random actor: Cate Blanchett (as acessed from the article actor, which I guess makes her some kind of uber actress according to Wikipedia). See the various random roles. including even appearing in "Unknown" roles (on stage, early in her career). You can even disregard how sparcily sourced this article, and its lists, are (the lists at Blanchett's are actually 100% unsourced), because I didn't even go there to make that point (like Liana K's cosplay table is also completely unsourced, and I guess vastly incomplete, but really this is even besides the point). --Niemti (talk) 11:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh, and from your own "superior" example: Cindy Crawford's Wikipedia tables are also unsourced (1 ref; the article's pretty poor overall). No, I don't want you to spam this and the other articles with "citation needed" too. --Niemti (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Masem. This isn't the "JN Cosplay Compendium". It's Wikipedia. We're not a fansite gushing over every little appearance she makes. Mention her notable ones that can reliably sourced (Wikipedia's definition) not all these little ones through fan pages and youtube videos. Sergecross73  msg me   14:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The tables in the Cindy Crawford article do not need to be sourced, because those are film and TV appearances. Creative or narrative works such as books, films, TV episodes, etc. are their own primary sources for their content (i.e.: credits and plot), per WP:TVPLOT, WP:FILMPLOT, et al. This is not analogous to appearances at public events, regardless of whether cosplay modeling is different from traditional modeling. This is why the better analogy would be to a model's magazine appearances, or listing every single episode of a TV show that a cast member appeared, or every single issue of a comic book that an artist or writer worked on, etc., and not individual film roles or TV shows/guest appearances. A complete index of every single modeling appearance is not encyclopedic, and would fail WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Nightscream (talk) 16:57, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


 * If important public events involving the person (e.g. San Diego Comic-Con) have been noted in the text (as they were), it only makes a lot of sense to provide a Table to have all such events more visible and readable, and possibly remove them from the bulk text - there are too many of them. This is a simple readability issue, nothing more, nothing less. Are all such events notable enough to be mentioned at all? Yes, maybe some of them should not be mentioned, but in general, for this type of actress, each role in a show is an equivalent of a role in a play or a movie, as it would be for a theater actress. Therefore, one can reasonably argue that all such shows must be included in the Table. My very best wishes (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually I'm totally okay with the lack of the table, I only went with it because someone else created it in first place (and then someone else spammed "citation needed" all over it). Now I made this instead: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jessica_Nigri&oldid=586945843 --Niemti (talk) 18:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Then fine. I would not strongly argue either way. It is important to have an agreement and do not edit war. My very best wishes (talk) 19:15, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Official External Links
I noticed that you have her pages listed, but here's one not listed. she has Tumblr. here's official source:

http://jessicanigri.tumblr.com/
CassandraSaturn (talk) 09:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Marriage:

Isn't she soon to be married? She's engaged. No mention of the person she's going to be with?

99.120.149.172 (talk) 06:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

pink outfit

 * convention officials, having received complaints that the pink outfit she was wearing was too revealing, asked her to either change or step off the floor and restrict her presence; Nigri changed into a Juliet Starling's regular costume, but it was deemed too revealing as well, and she was asked to leave

I believe that this article leaves readers guessing about just what the difference was between standard Juliet and pink Juliet. I am wondering if there was a way we could add this info. After some reading I got some hints about these details:
 * http://lollipopchainsaw.wikia.com/wiki/Juliet_Starling/Alternate_Costumes says "Jessica Nigri, the official cosplayer for Lollipop Chainsaw, was asked to change or leave PAX East for wearing the "Sexy Rider" outfit. It was deemed inappropriate for the convention."

After searching for 'sexy rider' on the page, I found the caption below this image:
 * http://lollipopchainsaw.wikia.com/wiki/File:Lollipop_Chainsaw_Skins_Xbox_360_DLC_Sexy_Rider.jpg

I am wondering if perhaps we should include this image on Nigri's article here. Or perhaps if an image of Nigri wearing this pink outfit is available. It could also be possible to do a 4-panel stitched cap showing Juliet in-game wearing standard/sexy and then Nigri cosplaying in standard/sexy so people can see in an easy side-by-side that she is doing game costumes and how close a match the costumes were.

Her 25 March 2012 YouTube video shows her making the costume, she jokingly calls it a 'gimp suit' and mentions that she still has to add the zipper, looks like a match to the 'sexy rider' costume from the game to me. Ranze (talk) 20:19, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Hairline
Could we perhaps have some mention of her receding hairline?

http://imgur.com/a/Ez0HA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.169.127.230 (talk) 21:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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"Fappening"
Umm, you guys do know that her photos being part of the "Fappening" is a hoax right? Those were just photoshops. 2001:569:7911:C900:CD25:A0E8:6B28:555F (talk) 20:46, 6 August 2017 (UTC)