Talk:Jessie Bartlett Davis

Birth date / year
The New York Times obituary was used to calculate her birth year. According to it, she was 46 years old when she died in 1905. I accessed it earlier today and it worked, but now it doesn't. That would put her birth year at 1859 or 1858. This book says 1866 on page 92.  Royal broil  01:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

The New York Times obits of the era are often the only data we today have to go on. It doesn't mean that the info is correct or incorrect. Other NY Times obits I've quoted may be erroneous as well but in the case of Jessie Bartlett Davis the discrepancy is highlighted by the fact that her sister's birth year is also given as 1859. Unless the sisters were twins, I doubt their mother would've or could've had two individual pregnancies in the same year or at opposite ends of the year. Infant Mortality rate being treacherously high in those days. It could be Jessie was born in 1859 & sister Josephine born in 1861. All avenues had to be researched for best closest possible answer & to why there's such a discrepancy. Websites like Internet Broadway Database(IBDb) are chock full of errors where editors just haven't done background checks on info. Another actress I just finished working on here Lydia Yeamans Titus shows how an age discrepancy can be overlooked even if the solution is staring you right in the face. Somebody had quoted info on Lydia from Internet Movie Database(IMDb) that gave Miss Titus a birth year of 1831/or 33 instead of 1866 which is correct. If 1831 had been correct it would've made Miss Titus one of the oldest born persons to first appear in motion pictures(1911). Now I, in my readings on theatrical people, knew Miss Titus had an older more famous sister named Jennie Yeamans who was born in 1862. Also I knew of the mother of the girls, Annie Yeamans, who after I researched found out was born in 1835. ''PROBLEM SOLVED: If Annie was born in 1835 then her daughter Lydia couldn't have been born in 1831 four years before her own mother was born. This conclusion on Lydia Yeamans Titus birth was the result of a little internet detective work & a little logic.'' Since Jessie Bartlett DAvis was a composer in addition to being an actress, the 1861 birth year is listed on websites that hosted sheet music of her songs. These are the sources I used. Just Google "Jessie Bartlett Davis 1861-1905". When I Googled "Jessie Bartlett Davis 1859-1905" I didn't get like information. Koplimek (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Royalbroil, Good Morining, Im just reading your message. I haven't finished with Jessie. I spent some time a few days ago trying to decipher her birth year. So much time in fact I had to postpone Jessie & move on to some of the other actresses Im working on. I had actually pulled up the NY Times obit announcing her death. In researching some of these long ago actresses, printed accounts of the time can sometimes be works of fiction but may be the only info. we have to go on. (See my work on legendary actress Pauline Markham). I always encountered the 1861 birth year(in print) when I first started reading about Jessie years ago. Now Im seeing 1859 and 1866. So now this furthers the problem of deciding her actual birth year. Ths also means she threw out different birth years during her career or maybe she just didn't know her own birthdate. The New York Times listed in her obit age 46 which would place her birth as 1859. But the Times is going to print what the family or existing incorrect printed sources of the era say. We really don't know. If the family said 1859 then Im happy with that. Jessie was famous enough at her death that printed sources would've had one of her alledged birth years. Another problem is that she has a sister, Josephine, born the same year and the two sisters don't seem to be twins.
 * I did some google searching too. I'm not concerned with websites that are user generated like answers.com, imdb.com, tv.com, etc. because they aren't trustworthy. Almost all websites found while searching with "Jessie Barlett Davis" 1861 - 1905 aren't reliable. The only possibility might be this, but you can tell its uncertain with the "circa 1859-1861". I think this problem can only be solved with highly reliable sources (a relative term) like major world newspapers, magazines, and books per WP:RS. You're right - I've even found them to be unreliable. Her obituary might have been written by her press agent or family. But they're the best we got, except if there's strong evidence like her daughter was born before her (I'm laughing!). What proof is there about her sister's birth year? I have 2 cousins who were born in the same year to the same woman (Feb. and Dec.), but that's highly unusual. Most likely one or both of the sources are wrong. I think we should list no birth year (or circa 1859 / 1861) and put her in the category Year of birth missing.  Royal broil  21:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

All of the data on the web has been uploaded from print sources somewhere so that doesn't mean info is necessarily wrong just because it's on the net. Like I said before some things are surprisingly accurate on the web. If information on the internet is so inaccurate, then why would anybody care about all the work you & I do on wikipedia which is constantly criticised on accuracy. We're waisting our time. Newspapers and magazines(whose info is uploaded) are not trustworthy items just because they were printed a hundred years ago. More accurate items are census records, family albums, ships logs(for immigration purposes) etc. These items have no reason to be in error when talking about someone's presence at a particular time. And since these items are not sold,there's no monetary gain coming from them such as you have in newspapers & magazines & even books. Koplimek (talk) 23:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That may be the best thing to go on now, (circa 1859-1861). Maybe others will see that and may have more verifiable and bonafide evidence such as a census or something. The earliest census she should appear in is 1870 census. And there it should give her age. If she's in the 1860 census then she'd more likely be an infant and the 1859 date would be more true.

Personal life section
I find it difficult to believe that she married Davis in 1980 - should this be 1890? Also, when she married Davis she was Jessie Bartlett, not Jessie Bartlett Davis, --GuillaumeTell 15:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. The next time that you run into obvious problems like these, feel free it yourself. One typo and one horrible choice of words.  Royal broil  02:59, 15 November 2008 (UTC)