Talk:Jester

Who is David Carlyon and why should we care about his opinion enough to include him?
I honestly don't know how things work here in Wiki land, please don't let that allow you to dismiss what I'm asking here. but in this part

Political significance Scholar David Carlyon has cast doubt on the "daring political jester", calling historical tales "apocryphal", and concluding that "popular culture embraces a sentimental image of the clown; writers reproduce that sentimentality in the jester, and academics in the Trickster", but it "falters as analysis".

Who is David Carlyon?

I took at look back thru the source and it has only been cited 3X. No one takes this seriously so why is it included? Seems kinda contrarian for contrarianism's sake. Entropic Katabasis (talk) 16:44, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I looked into this, I agree with you.
 * We all know who Jester's and Joker's are in current day. I am betting this person was quoted in a published book to get his credit for a Doctorate's degree. 172.56.81.115 (talk) 19:32, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

"For nothing he says seems to matter."
Looking into it, this recurring quote about jester's privilege is one of those zombie edits where text that used to be in a Wikipedia article gets screenshotted for a meme (https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2464965-maladaptive-pattern), is later removed from the original Wikipedia article for some policy reason, and then occasionally people seeing the meme months or years later will look it up on Wikipedia, find that the text isn't there and instinctively decide that it needs to be added back. Belbury (talk) 15:07, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Some main text copied from TED-Ed
Some of the main text was copied from the TED-Ed video on jesters. The first example seems to be at 0:58 in the video "Jesters had unique relationships to power:". 84.224.177.150 (talk) 21:10, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You mean this video. Although it was only posted five days ago, you're right, a section of its content was added to this article's lead section a couple of days ago. I've reverted it to the previous version. Belbury (talk) 08:37, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Till Eulenspiegel
Till Eulenspiegel stands out as a sole fictional character among a discussion of historical jesters in various countries. Surely his inclusion at List of fictional tricksters is more appropriate, and at the very least at Fool (stock character), than in this article. Ibadibam (talk) 06:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)