Talk:Jesuits and Nazi Germany

Orphaned references in Jesuits and Nazi Germany
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Jesuits and Nazi Germany's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "William L. Shirer p240": From Kirchenkampf: William L. Shirer; The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich; Secker & Warburg; London; 1960; p240 From Catholic Church and Nazi Germany: Shirer, 1990, p. 240 From Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany: William L. Shirer; The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich; Secker & Warburg; London; 1960; p. 240 

Reference named "Ian Kershaw p.823": From Catholic resistance to Nazi Germany: Ian Kershaw; Hitler a Biography; 2008 Edn; WW Norton & Company; London; p. 823 From Catholic Church and Nazi Germany: Ian Kershaw; Hitler a Biography; 2008 Edn; W.W. Norton & Co; London; p. 823 

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Done - missing source info added (ref names had been copied without their first main reference). GermanJoe (talk) 15:22, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

The article is about German Jesuits
Either the title should be changed or the article rewritten.Xx236 (talk) 09:41, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. No, it's not quite all about German Jesuits as it stands already, and there is a tag to Expand Section on "Jesuits in the Nazi Empire" which obviously means well beyond just the German Jesuits. It's not finished. Ozhistory (talk) 10:25, 7 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Important aspects are still missing in the text, as the Jesuite Order is an international organization and was extremely involved in the politics of a lot of European countries (especially other than Italy and German speaking countries), causing strong reservations against it within the modern societies of England, France, Italy, Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Denmark and so on. --188.99.105.13 (talk) 11:19, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Copyright violations
@user:Ozhistory

Please read WP:Plagiarism

This article contains Copyright violations because when it was created text was copied from one or more Wikipedia articles (for example Catholic resistance to Nazi Germany). I also suspect that there are copies from other pages. Before the copyvio template is removed from the article the article history it there must be adequate attribution of all the text that was copied see Copying within Wikipedia.

-- PBS (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2015 (UTC)


 * @user:PBS, the article can be restored. I have created a good deal of brand new content for this article, and inserted non-infringing content I had created myself from articles I created myself: Catholic resistance to Nazi Germany, Priest Barracks of Dachau Concentration Camp, Nazi views on Catholicism and Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Poland, Nazi persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany, Rescue of Jews by Catholics during the Holocaust. I will review the article to check if there are other sources once it is restored. If necesary, I can note any such lines  accordingly. However, as a rule, I only bring in content I have written myself, based on sources I have read myself.Ozhistory (talk) 11:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That not a good idea. It would be better to attribute the copy in the history of the article. Although copyright may belong to you for all of it, it would be unusual for text that you have added in the past not to have been edited by others between the time you created it and copied it. Secondly there are other reasons for noting the attribution see Copying within Wikipedia. -- PBS (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * What is your solution? A considerable amount of work and original material have gone into this new article, and you have not identified any actual copyright violations. I am an experienced editor. The article is sourced reliably to sources I have read. Ozhistory (talk) 11:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * @user:PBS I have read the links you provided, and will be more conscious of adding article sources, even for my own content in future. However, a review of the history of the pages cited above should confirm to you the extent of my authorship of the text in this new article. Ozhistory (talk) 12:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * In this case why not remove the copyright template and add a comment in the edit history listing the articles from which you have copied text up to that edit as you do so? -- PBS (talk) 19:46, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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Jesuits and Catholic Panslavism
Maybe the most important reason for dedain regarging Jesuites throughout modern Europe was their massive support for "Great Poland" not only including strong nationalist ideology, but, according to some critics, also racial national-occultistic activities comparable to activities perfomed by NS-leaders like Mussolini and Hitler later on, building up "the great slavic nation of catholic believe", or rather a great panslavistic race under catholic control, which had been exclusively the "Polish race", later on meaning the re-established Poland, and no other country: All comparable countries in the East had been orthodox, not catholic. Poland therefore had been in the focus of the Jesuit Order. Therefore the Jesuits massively supported the leaders of Polish nationalist military regimes, such as dictators and racists, committing excessive crimes against ethnic minorities. After invading other contries, Polish elite did massive ethnic cleansing and extiction efforts, mainly against Ukrainians, but even against (catholic!) Hungarians and Austrians. The Jesuits did not bother, nor did they oppose to Polish nationalist crimes, as it also had been their project, the victims had been either non-catholic, especially of orthodox believe, or their believe did not matter to the Jesuits, as they regarded the expansion of the "Great Polish Nation" to be more important. As catholic fundamentalists, the Jeuit leaders used nationalism and panslavism, where it was helpful or conveniant for them, but as a religios order, claiming extreme spiritual superiority to others, they had their own anti-humanistic agenda. In fact, panslavism is older than its modern European equivalents and had been a very useful tool for Jesuits in Poland, as well as the Jeuits had been very helpful for Polish imperialism and colonialism, especially regarding crimes agains orthodox Ukranians. As Jesuits massively promoted "Catholic Great Poland", annexing large parts of Ukrainia and Czeslovakia, their role is not "antifascistic" in a democratic or humanistic sense, but rather in an anti-democratic and anti-humanistic sense, as the Jesuits saw themselves as - and scientifically must been seen as - anti-democratic rivals to the anti-democratic NS-regime. Therefore: More likely political and totalitarian rivals, rather than victims of the NS-regime. Regarding the classic standpoint of the Protestant Churches in Europe, as well as the English Masons, or regarding the standpoint of various prominent Europeans, e. g. such as Friedrich Engels, Otto von Bismarck-Schoenhausen, Winston Churchill or Charles de Gaulle concerning Jesuits, there had been obvious reservations against Jesuit leaders and against their catholic nation building project in Poland - as mentioned sometimes including racist techniques of ethnic cleansing, mainly murdering Ukrainians. No surprise that their racist rivals such as Hitler had an aggressive and cruel approach to fight Jesuits as opposed racist players. --188.99.105.13 (talk) 12:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)