Talk:Jesus Christ 2005 God Bless America/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 14:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello there! I shall review. Expect initial comments to be up within a few days. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 14:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Kicking this off with assessments of the infobox and lead.

Infobox

 * File:The 1975 – JC2005GBA.jpeg has an appropriate FUR
 * Why isn't Phoebe Bridgers in the "artist" field given her guest vocals?
 * Technically she isn't billed as a featured artist despite having an entire solo verse and shared vocals in the final chorus. Liner notes credit her as "additional vocals" for the track. I've never really encountered this situation before, so I'm not sure what to do. I've noticed that Travis Scott similarly doesn't list "featured artists" on Astroworld, but the "Sicko Mode" infobox credits Drake. What do you think I should do with it?  Gia co bbe  talk 23:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Very odd. If not credited, then don't list her there; she would be better placed in a credits/personnel section. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 01:42, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. Don't understand why she isn't formally credit, but that's not my place lol. I've added her into a "credits" section and removed her singles chronology from the infobox. I can add it back if you disagree.  Gia co bbe  talk 14:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No objections to that. SNUGGUMS (talk / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Lead

 * Not sure what "understated" in "understated composition" is supposed to mean, but that regardless doesn't read very well. Just keep it simple and say "the composition" or "its composition".
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 23:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

More to come later. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 23:26, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Background and recording

 * I'd add how the album (and by extention this track) was recorded in 2019 (which also makes a more explicit mention of album count)
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 17:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Not seeing anything on "Music for Cars" being split into two albums within either reference provided for that bit. You'll need a separate source for that part, which I did find here.
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 17:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Per WP:REPCITE, you don't need to use the same citation more than once in a row within a paragraph. This means the second paragraph of the section only has to use ref#1 (Music Week) at the end of "more ambiguous with its subject matter".
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 17:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Maybe you could use this to elaborate somewhat on the album's delay
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 17:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Billboard says five other singles were released beforehand, not four
 * ✅ Changed  Gia co bbe  talk 17:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

The rest of the article will probably be assessed one section at a time. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 21:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Composition

 * File:The 1975 - Jesus Christ 2005 God Bless America.ogg appears to comply with WP:SAMPLE
 * The duration is 4:23 (or maybe 4:24), not 3:55
 * Good eye! Don't know how I missed that. As for the length, AllMusic says it's 4:23, Spotify (album + single) and Apple Music list it at 4:24. I've updated it with a source from the latter.  Gia co bbe  talk 19:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Gigwise is a subpar source. Try to find something more credible.
 * Respectfully, I have to disagree with you on this one. What makes them subpar?  Gia co bbe  talk 19:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I may have confused that with Entertainmentwise, but am pretty sure it's something I've seen others advise against using within articles due to a gossipy nature. Either way, there's no doubt that stronger sources exist. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with Dork, Riot, or The DiamondBack. How trustworthy are they?
 * Both Dork and Riot are trustworthy. Both are UK-based (and UK-centric lol) magazines focused primarily on the indie/rock scene. Both magazines are offered in print and online formats.
 * The Diamondback is an independent student newspaper associated with the University of Maryland. It has an excellent reputation, over 100 years in publication, and strong ties to the Society of Professional Journalists. The paper mandates that all of their journalists abide by the Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics.  Gia co bbe  talk 19:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "crush" is too informal; try something like "attraction" or "love interest"
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 19:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It seems redundant to include "homophobia" with "anti-LGBT rhetoric" already listed
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 19:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I'll let you address these before going through the "Critical reception" section. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 03:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 19:04, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

No licensing concerns with File:2006 protesters at union square.jpg (which you've inserted since I last looked at the section). <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Critical reception

 * The file File:Bruce Springsteen 1988.jpg was derived from appears to have been deleted, and it's not the clearest shot of The Boss anyway (even though I have a feeling you may have intentionally chosen one where he has a cross necklace given this song's theme). I recommend simply removing that when somewhat decorative compared to the use of Bridgers (who was actually was featured on the track unlike him). On that note, File:Phoebe Bridgers (41599189180) (cropped).jpg is perfectly fine to use.
 * Haha glad you caught that! It was too perfect.  Gia co bbe  talk 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * To avoid WP:SYNTH in regards to reception assessments, you should add a reference that specifically mentions overall favorable/mixed/unfavorable reviews from critics to support the section's first sentence. That also goes for saying our guest vocalist got "near-unanimous praise".
 * ✅ Reworded.  Gia co bbe  talk 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * NME does use "haunting", but never "hauntingly"
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Not sure it's really relevant here which albums "Nana" and "Be My Mistake" were from
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Unless I've missed something, Spin doesn't seem particularly positive or negative on the song, though it regardless does note that the track is a musical departure from the band's other material
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)


 * See my previous comments on the use of "understated" for describing the composition
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Getting closer now. "Promotion" section will be up next. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 02:06, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Woo! Almost there!  Gia co bbe  talk 12:30, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Promotion and music video

 * At the end of "was commissioned to create an art film for 'Jesus Christ 2005 God Bless America'", there's an extra space between refs#36 and 38 that should be removed
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 23:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't see YouTube mentioned here, only removals from Facebook and Instagram
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 23:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * More WP:REPCITE with citation#38. It only needs to be mentioned at the end of the above listed sentence and "omitting the audio from 'Jesus Christ 2005 God Bless America'".
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 23:48, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Credits and personnel

 * Flawless!

Charts

 * Hot Rock & Alternative Songs peak is number 38, not 48.
 * ✅  Gia co bbe  talk 23:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Overall
After looking through the page again making some minor changes, I'm happy to pass this GAN. Well done! <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 00:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Prose: Needs minor adjusting
 * Referencing: A couple bits not supported by given citations. By the way, New Zealand Hot Singles (what this entered) isn't the same thing as the main New Zealand song chart. Both are valid to use, and I can see why one would think of them as the same thing, but I wanted to be sure you knew there was a difference.
 * Coverage: Every major aspect appears to have been addressed without excess detail
 * Neutrality: Nothing seems biased
 * Stability: Looks good
 * Media: No licensing concerns
 * Verdict: On hold for seven days effective immediately. That should be plenty of time to fix up the remaining issues. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 22:58, 17 January 2021 (UTC)