Talk:Jet (band)

Something
There should be a disambiguation at the top specifically regarding the UK band Jet from the 1970's. In most articles where there are two bands named exactly the same there is usually some explanation of what the latter band had to do to use the same name. (I don't know the story behind the two Jets or I would put it in here. Someone must know it, though.) Mseanbrown (talk) 20:03, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

How come the criticism section was removed?

Hope those 6 song titles helped. MRYFoo5291

Someone should expand at least the two singles links in the section. --ThomasK 10:33, August 4, 2005 (UTC)

Timothy
Did Timothy die in his own infancy? Or in Cameron's infancy? DS 21:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Timothy died in his own infancy. Cam was essentially the replacement child.

Cam was NOT a 'replacement child'. He was simply the next child lucky enough to be born into his amazing family. If his father had not died of cancer 6 months later there would no doubt have been more younger brothers and sisters.

Look What You've Done is original
I'm a musician, and I'm a huge Beatles fan and a Jet fan. And I don't believe Look What You've Done is a copy of Sexy Sadie. The phrase "making fool of everyone" is there, but in terms of melody, I think Look What You've Done is an original. Just listen to it.

Try listening to it and then One More for Love by Five for Fighting off of The Battle for Everything. The opening chords are all but identical. Maybe they are. Th900bbepr 05:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The music isn't ripped off from the Beatles, but the whole feel of the song is. Even if there were no lyrical similarities it would sound Beatles-esque. Mnealon (talk) 04:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

"F***. .. We still can't believe we're here with Oasis".
Did he really say "F***"? Cause I'll bet you a thousand dollars he actually said "Fuck". Can we change this? Bihal 04:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Absolutely we can - just de-censored it (next time feel free to be bold and do it yourself)...! Cheers, Ian Rose 09:47, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

EP More Light Than Shade has been removed.
This EP was actually an LP by a Glam Rock band called Jet made up of former members of T-Rex in the 1970's.

Charts
Hey guys the singles chart is all to do with the usa...no uk charts or australia. that sux. if anyone is able to find the info for the singles position on the uk or australia charts please add it to the chart.note the only reason im not doing it is because i dont know any sites that will give that info. thx. ChrisMHMChris

-If you changed the chart, then nevermind. but if not, the chart has been changed with UK and Australian charts.l (The ARIA chart represents the Australian chart)

the song move on is on the mucic from the oc mix 1 cd 203.221.62.3 06:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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Genre
Have you heard this group? His music isn't Hard Rock. Only a few songs are good, the vast majority are slow and sad. In my humble opinion, their sound are more like the Pop Rock than Hard Rock. (Sorry for my Google Traductor English :s)Rubiobarga (talk) 22:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. To say Jet are a hard rock band is just silly. Mnealon (talk) 04:38, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What about Copy Rock? Like, you hear it and go "Oh hey, its that AC/DC song... waitaminute, that's not AC/DC.  Who is this?"  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.146.151.14 (talk) 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes 'Copy Rock' sounds great. How about 'Derivative Pop"? They really try and draw out that John Lennon side of the Beatles (like Oasis did before them...)  Hard Rock- no way!114.72.170.85 (talk) 19:56, 25 December 2008 (UTC)PS.

I think their genres are Alternative rock,Hard rock,Garage rock revival,Pop rock and Soft rock. They aren't an American rock band.User:Drew94

I would like to ask a question regarding the genre. Are Jet's music (in terms of its musical genre) distinctively Australian, like it should be, or is it Anglicised or Americanised? If it's one of the latter, then could they make it one of the former? Also in saying this, when "Be My Girl" came out, I thought it was quite Americanized, both in terms of its lyrics (it's essentially about a girl) and in terms of its garage rock influence. Yes, I am Australian, and yes, you are welcome to write back. 114.73.156.88 (talk) 10:22, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Genre - Garage Rock Revival
Garage Rock Revival is more of a new revival type thing, like a movement. its not a genre, id be in support of just putting Garage Rock as a genre, but these guys are more of a pub rock band from what ive heard. just my 2 cents though, if anyones got a problemo, go ahead and fix it how you want, but thats how i felt it should be. 68.103.28.224 (talk) 07:24, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Clarify please?
Brothers Nic Cester and Chris Cester grew up in Dingley Village, a suburb just out of Melbourne, Victoria listening to classic rock from the 1960s and 1970s such as The Who, AC/DC, The Easybeats, Faces, The Loved Ones and particularly The Rolling Stones and The Beatles; these were their father's records. In an interview for the documentary "Take It Or Leave It", which was also recorded on the band's Right! Right! Right! live DVD,

"It's always interpreted that our father had a great record collection, but that's not true. It was actually a really shit collection that Nic managed to find the gems in."

The quote is not attributed to anyone.

114.72.170.85 (talk) 19:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC)PS

Alt. Rock?
I'm removing alternative rock from Jet's genre listing because let's face it, they aren't. They play a traditional rock style influenced by blues and hard rock, which is rock music and not alternative. Admittedly they have a bit of punk rock in their sound as well but it's not an alternative sound (the Ramones aren't an alternative rock band), it's a traditional rock sound. Allmusic cites them as "American Trad Rock" which is in the "Rock 'n' roll/Roots" genre. Feel free to change it back if you disagree but please state exactly why. SurfyDead (talk) 16:26, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

All caps? "Jet" vs. "JET"?
My iTunes Gracenote database wants to display the band's name in all capital letters, and light googling shows nothing to the contrary.

This is kind of a Ten Thousand Maniacs vs. 10,000 Maniacs issue, but can someone clarify which display is official?

Note that this wiki article has the lower case version.

IvyGold (talk) 19:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter. Wikipedia style guides prefer that unusual capitalization be ignored. Doceirias (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Define unusual. The 70's Swedish band: Abba? ABBA?

Regardless of wikipedia rules, let's say one is emailing his girlfriend about this band's impending new release.

A) I can't wait for Jet's new CD!

B) I can't wait for JET's new CD!

Which is correct? IvyGold (talk) 23:04, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

The correct approach is to use "Jet" throughout the article with a parenthetical in the opening sentence about it being commonly typeset as "JET". This is what is done with Live (band), dredg, and Kiss (band); this is what I'm going to do here. See the talk pages of those articles for links to the appropriate Wikipedia style guidelines. --Snaxe/fow (talk) 21:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

This not an Alternative Band
My english is sketch, but this not an 'Alternative' band, they'are a Pop Rock group, Like beatles and Stones, AC/DC. Vandalism is added lots calling this Alternative, but it is not. If vandlas call this Alternative, please remove. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnybritches (talk • contribs) 23:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Moving this discussion to the bottom of the page, since it is new - I didn't see it last time I reverted you. The exact genre of any band is clearly a matter for musical scholars to debate, not me - I only watch this page to find out when their next album's coming out. But I am an experienced Wikipedia editor, and you do need a source to make a change like the one you're proposing. As it stands, there are multiple listings for Jet under different rock sales charts; but none for any pop specific charts. They do indeed sound like the pop music of the 60s, but since pop music doesn't sound anything like that now, I can't really see any justification for it. I encourage you to find a few reliable sources and end the debate over what kind of music Jet are - every time the page pops up on my watch list, it's just someone else changing the genre. So far, it's always ended up back as Alternative/Garage Rock/Hard Rock. Garage Rock seems most accurate to my ears and taste, but I have no source for that either. Doceirias (talk) 06:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

-Wrong, its Pop Hard ROck like AC/DC, Beatles, this not alternative, vandalism not allowed on wikipedia website, only u have made alternative. Flame war can get u band, please stop this vandlism, please. -britches


 * Why'd you move the discussion back to the top? Why didn't you sign your post or indent properly? Why do you continue to change this page without a source, in a way that contradicts the existing sources? Why do you continue to assume bad faith by accusing others of vandalism and attempts to make this an actual discussion as flame wars? If you want to change this to pop, find a source. Without a source, you'll just get reverted by me or someone else. That's how Wikipedia works. Doceirias (talk) 15:05, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

allmusic is not. I repeat, Is Not calling this a Pop Rock band.It is calling them GaragE PunK, Hard RocK and American Trad RocK. Look up any band that play any form of Rock, Metal punk etc. on allmusic. They will ALL be listed under the pop/rock genre. The specific Subgenre (which is what matters here), is listed under STYLES on allmusic. There is a difference between the metagenre of pop/rock and the subgenre of Pop Rock. Duck610 (talk) 10:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Pop Rock
allmusic lists all bands that play rock, metal, punk etc, under pop/rock. It lists the specific subgenres under styles. Its not saying they play pop rock by definition, its saying they play Hard Rock, Garage Punk and American Trad Rock, not Pop Rock. It shouldn't be listed with allmusic as the source. Duck610 (talk) 12:37, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

American Traditional Rock
American Trad. Rock is several to American rock.American rock include many subgenres. American Traditional rock is a genre similar at Soft Rock. Then i removed American rock to the band's genres and i replaced with Alternative rock. User:Drew 94. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.53.222.195 (talk) 09:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Non-notable, unencyclopedic and original research
I've just noted a fair bit of this article contains content that is either original research (what Jet allegedly said at a show), unencyclopedic (an appearance on a TV show in which nothing special or out of the ordinary happened (which is also original research) and simply isn't notable. I've began to remove these things, but please keep an eye out for similar things and try to keep the article free from such information. Also, there are several parts of this article that need adequate references. Teachingwedge (talk) 01:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * On closer inspection, there are whole sections that make claims without any references. I don't have time at the moment to find citations for these claims, but in the meantime I have tagged several with "Citation Needed". Teachingwedge (talk) 01:34, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Present Tense & Dead Links
In the section "Shaka Rock and break-up (2008–2012)", I changed several parts that were written in the present tense to the past tense. As the band has broken up, it would be incorrect to refer to them as if they were still together - apparently, it did not occur to some people writing the article that this might happen so soon. You might want to check the rest of the article for use of the present tense. I also noticed that there was a "dead link" flag for the following quote:
 * "I think is sort of a step forward for us songwriting-wise. It's sorta got everything wrapped into one, a storyline, and sad to say melancholy. It's rock and roll, it's rocking, it's got all these other albums to it, you know, so I find it really interesting."

A quick Google search found hundreds of results for the quote, but many of them were from blogs or online stores, which are likely to become dead links. Some of the results were other wikis - it appears that several of them even took their information directly from Wikipedia. It would be very helpful if someone could find a source which predates this quote's appearance on this article, and is unlikely to disappear anytime soon.--Henry hedden (talk) 01:35, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 5 February 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus, WP:PDAB. – robertsky (talk) 05:43, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Jet (Australian band) → Jet (band) – The Australian band are far and away more prominent than the British one, who were together for two years and seemingly didn't chart anywhere. |Jet_(UK_band) Their pageviews bear out the disparity. "Jet (band)" has also redirected here since the article was moved to the current title in 2017. Jjamesryan (talk &#124; contribs) 18:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment I've bold moved Jet (UK band) to Jet (British band), per WP:BANDDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 18:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 18:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support, a simple search confirms that the Australian band Jet is well known (and has a great number of search hits) as opposed to the British band, Jet. Dan arndt (talk) 08:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Incomplete disambiguation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:PDAB. Almost opposed but then read and applied PDAB further as this has a lower page view ratio than any of the other ones that have been moved at 24:1 but after some thought I think that is past the cutoff. SportingFlyer  T · C  23:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. I believe the gap in pageviews is sufficient to justify a WP:PDAB here. Other primary topic considerations also favor the Australian band, such as the greater level of critical and commercial success. The PRIMARYREDIRECT from also doesn't seem to be confusing to readers; a look at click-through data suggests that a fairly trivial number of people proceed to the British band's article after landing on the Australian one. In sum, the combination of a strong pageview lead (PT1) and a compelling significance gap (PT2) lead me to find cause for partial disambiguation. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:41, 15 February 2024 (UTC)