Talk:Jewel in the Palace

Synopsis section updates
I reworded the synopsis section for clarity. Made some corrections for grammar and spelling. Researched proper terms for different court titles, such as choigo sanggung for the highest female position in the royal kitchen. Added these terms to the synopsis, as there are no equivalents in English. 216.223.13.111 (talk) 23:19, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Discussion moved from peer review
I have read this article and proposed some improvement:
 * Add the full content of the drama in a new article.
 * Open a new article: Dae Jang-gum Fever, to describe how this drama affects Japan, ROK, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Chicago.

Is it OK? --Cheung1303 03:17, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * The second new article you suggest sounds very interesting and worthwhile! I'm not so sure about the first one, it might be considered "fancruft". But the purpose of peer review is to bring articles up to Featured standard (see instructions on this page). Dae Jang-gum is too short for that, and the new articles you propose wouldn't take it any closer to Featured standard, since they're not changes to the article itself. Seems to me that your questions would go better on the article's talk page than on peer review—you would probably get more response there. Would you like to make your suggestions on Talk:Dae Jang-gum instead? Or just be bold, go ahead and create the new articles! Bishonen | Talk 17:55, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Official Title
Dae Jang Geum seems to be a more correct transliteration of the show's name. Would you consider moving the page there?

Evidence:
 * http://english.tour2korea.com/02Culture/TVMiniseries/daejangguem.asp?kosm=m2_6&konum=1
 * http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/pid-1003946777/section-videos/code-k/version-all/


 * In English sources, the capitalization of the G and the dash are not universally used, but Jang Geum with an E is definitely the preferred (and official) usage. I'm going to be bold and move this. --Euniana 02:59, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The official usage is really not accepted by many people. I mean, the Chinese name for Seoul is now 首爾, but many people still call it 漢城 (Hanseong). I believe we should revert the title back to its original, and add the variations of the title into the name. O BTW, which channel aired this show in Chicago? --Arbiteroftruth 07:01, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

REPLY: The channel that aired the show in chicago is a cable channel known as AZN 9wikipedia has an article about it). However, AZN is also availible in other areas such as washington D.C. but it is mainly in the Chicago area. Dae Jang Geum aired on that channel in the summer of 2005.

Opening lines in the Philippines
Do we really need this kind of information? Even if it is verifiable, I fail to see its encyclopedic value. -- Visviva 13:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Changes to the Commercial Success section
I corrected the commercial success section to indicate the ratings that it achieved in China, South Korea and Hong Kong. The rationale is that these information has more to do with commercial success than a listing of various version of the songs that was sang.

In fact, I will invite others to fill in what ratings it has achieved in Japan, Thailand and Philippines.

The paragraphs about songs should be moved to the Song section as it is not relevant to "commercial success". Ratings is something you will use to gauge success not songs.

Do you guys agree?

Apparently, the original author deleted my text and replaced it with the old one. Can we have a compromise here where you shift what you have to the song section and put in the statistical data in the "commercial success section".

I found out that the opening theme is part of the Track 2 in the soundtrack... but I don't know its title in Korean, only Chinese (苍龙) 202.156.6.54 12:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

The opening theme is called Chang-Lyeon. 72.83.177.246 22:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I did some proofreading for this section and corrected grammatical errors and reworded some phrases for clarity. 216.223.13.111 (talk) 23:13, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Trimming The Article
Do we really need all of those lyrics? It really makes the page look more like fan cruft.

If no one objects, I will delete all the Lyrics, and the opening lines section.Arbiteroftruth 11:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you! -- Visviva 13:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, that is if you can get the "fan" to agree. He/She keeps overturning what I've modified! Is there a way to include this into peer review or put this article under need for improvement?

Well, it appears that "fan" you have just mentioned isn't reverting the changes. This page is saved.

Removal of lyrics
It means I have to go to the History section to see them again. Is it bloating the article? It does not look like fan craft to me... of course, the choice is yours. 202.156.6.54 13:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Lyrics violate copyright. Removal is necessary.-- 陈 鼎  翔    贡献 和 CCD  Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 04:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

101.156.6.54, you can go to other websites for that. Arbiteroftruth 00:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Somebody added the lyrics information again. I am hereby considering it vandalism and will be dealt with according to plans Arbiteroftruth 05:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Historical Dae Jang Geum vs. Fictional Dae Jang Geum
I believe that this article should be split into two different articles. One should focus solely on the historical Dae Jang Geum, and the other can focus on the TV series Dae Jang Geum. This one seems to focus too heavily on the Dae Jang Geum TV series rather than the actual person's history.

Take a look at the Hwang Jin-i article that I recently updated. I split it between the Hwang Jin-i TV series and the actual historical character because they are two distinctly different topics, despite being about the same person.

If there are no objections, I will go ahead and start writing an article on the historical Dae Jang Geum. Kindahypertonic 02:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

REPLY: There is already an article titled: Jang Geum, which is about the historical Jang Geum. Historically, we can not prove they called her Dae(which means great) Jang Geum so the article is simply called Jang Geum. In the case of Hwang Jin-I, her actual name was Hwang Jin-I so it is appropriate you split the article in such a manner. However, in the case of Dae Jang Geum, I think it is fine this way and there is a reference to the Jang Geum article in Dae Jang Geum. Also, the TV series Dae Jang Geum has had a near global impact on TV, it is currently even airing in Russia. This article obviously focuses on the TV series since historically, she wasn't titled Dae Jang Geum, that is only the name of the TV show. 72.83.177.246 22:43, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

MAY I KNOW THE CITATION OF THIS? AND HOW IS THAT RELIABLE? -- Lady Choi and Geum Young are exists in the actual history. Lady Choi was worser in actual than in the series. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcoelcpa (talk • contribs) 15:58, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This is not a soap opera
DJG is a story with a beginning, middle and an end, and it only runs for 54 episodes. It's not some surreal stream-of-consciousness improv act that continues to infinity. Nothing about the style or content of DJG suggests that it's a soap opera. The sets, locations, cinematography, music, acting, writing... none of it has anything to do with the soap opera genre. I'm going to remove 'soap opera' from the information box, and if someone reverts it they better have a damn good reason. 84.230.76.254 (talk) 11:06, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

It is very much so a soap opera, it's just not what modern American soap operas are. Modern soaps are inconclusive (though not necessarily stream-of-consciousness) and slow paced. Soap opera in this article is simple refering to a fictional, dramatic work on TV. It's not a wrong term, it's just not connotated with Western soap operas. (3 October 2008)

Jewel in the palace and doctor Quinn
Maybe it seems quite strange to include western references to an asian drama, but i believe the link between the two characters of the series have something in common, and they are physicians. As far as i know, the main character on Jewel in the palace seems to have other abilities as well, like cooking, but i dont think so this is some kind of "barrier" or obstacle to forbade the inclusion of a short but helpful link to a similar drama, which had been popular like Jewel, except in america and in late 1990s. "One short final point. I think on nowadays world, wikipeans should avoid letting personal prejudices or intellectual snobbery or any kind of political or national chauvinism affect article edits." --HappyApple (talk) 04:39, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Dating
"Loosely based on the historical figure during the reign of King Jungjong..." King Junjong reigned between 1506-1544, while the story of this woman starts somewhere from 1465, when her father left the royal court. She orphaned at the age of cca. 10 years, which means somewhere around 1470.Mazarin07 (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move 23 March 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover)  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   12:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Dae Jang Geum → Jewel in the Palace – While "Dae Jang Geum" was the most common name when this article was created in 2005, that is very much not the case anymore. This was something I noticed consistently while reading the scholarship on the Korean Wave, which is that recent literature discussing the television program generally favor "Jewel in the Palace" over "Dae Jang Geum" now. (This is also the name used by various streaming services like Apple TV, Viki, Prime Video, etc.) : 3 F4U (they/it) 14:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support per nom. 〜 Festucalex  •  talk  06:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)