Talk:Jewish Neo-Aramaic dialect of Barzani

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Since this was/is spoken in Kurdistan, I'm under the impression that the speakers were/are the Kurdish Jews/Jewish Kurds I keep hearing about.

Gringo300 20:32, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Almost all of the speakers of this language now live in and around Jerusalem. However, the language was originally spoken around Bijil in Iraqi Kurdistan. To speak about Kurdish Jews is not quite correct, but Jews of Kurdistan may be more appropriate. What today we call Kurdistan, a rough area covering portions of a number of different recognised sovereign states, has quite a mixed demography, and this was even more pronounced up until the 20th century. --Gareth Hughes 21:33, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The name
The infobox says the native name is Lišānîd Jānān, but the Hebrew letters say לשניד דינן, which is the same name as given at Lishanid Noshan. —Angr 16:32, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

What today we call Kurdistan was before called Assyria - and since these Jews speak Aramaic, why are they not Assyrian Jews? Another interesting note - the term "Barzani Targum" seems to be a new one - one could never find such a thing before a few years ago. "Nash Didan" meaning "Nasha'd Deeyan" or "Our People" in Assyrian language(Modern); "Lishan Didan" or "Leeshana Diyan" or "Our Language" in Assyrian Language (Modern). I appreciate the modern political need to make these areas Kurdish, but it is intellectually dishonest.

Another Note: Lishanid Janan and Lishanad Didan are both "Our Language (indeed, in modern Assyrian we say the same), but "Janan" implies "ourselves", whereas "Didan" literally means "ours".  Waleeta (talk) 15:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

This is a nother means of Kurds hijacking identities. Hell, Im not even Middle Eastern but of German decent. These people should be called Babylonian Jews not Kurds. Kurds are not even Semetic, and are related to Pashtuns. One important note as well: There is no Kurdistan! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.160.55 (talk) 00:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Removed speedy deletion request
I remove the speedy deletion request, that was added because someone thought that article was a hoax. I have found and added several references that verify that Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic is/was a real language and the article is not fake. --Diamonddavej (talk) 19:06, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Diamonddavej. As if the Ethnologue reference and ISO 639-3 code alone were not enough to discourage that idiot anon that kept adding the hoax marker.  (Taivo (talk) 01:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC))

Number of speakers
Please compare the article for the year 1998, where it claims that the last speaker of this language died in 1998.

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Requested move 4 May 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: all moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vaticidalprophet 12:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

– This as an attempt to systematize the naming of articles about dialects of Northeastern Neo-Aramaic, a dialect continuum featuring distinct varieties spoken by Christians and Jews. After a discussion on Talk:Lishán Didán, with the help of User:Srnec it was determined that the formula "[religion] Neo-Aramaic dialect of [location]" is most commonly used by sources and avoids the impression that these are proper names. Some areas only have one religious community speaking Neo-Aramaic, and in those cases the religion is omitted (Hertevin, Bohtan, and Qaraqosh are spoken by Christians, but also the Neo-Aramaic dialect of Kerend is spoken only by Jews.) (t · c)  buidhe  03:17, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Barzani Jewish Neo-Aramaic → Jewish Neo-Aramaic dialect of Barzani
 * Betanure Jewish Neo-Aramaic → Jewish Neo-Aramaic dialect of Betanure
 * Challa Jewish Neo-Aramaic → Jewish Neo-Aramaic dialect of Challa
 * Koy Sanjaq Jewish Neo-Aramaic → Jewish Neo-Aramaic dialect of Koy Sanjaq
 * Barwar Christian Neo-Aramaic → Christian Neo-Aramaic dialect of Barwar
 * Urmia Christian Neo-Aramaic → Christian Neo-Aramaic dialect of Urmia
 * Bohtan Neo-Aramaic → Neo-Aramaic dialect of Bohtan
 * Hertevin dialect → Neo-Aramaic dialect of Hertevin
 * Qaraqosh Neo-Aramaic → Neo-Aramaic dialect of Qaraqosh

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support. I compared "Hertevin dialect" with "dialect of Hertevin" just to make sure we aren't creating more complicated names than we need, but the latter is indeed more common. Srnec (talk) 00:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)