Talk:Jews/Archive 34

Missing: term for Israelites + Jews, together
Please go to Talk:Israelites for this topic. Here just the start of the discussion:

In Jewish religion as well as several strands of historiography, the assumption of continuity or even identity is made between Israelites and Jews. Terms like "Nation/People of Israel" (caps not always a must) can't currently be linked to any Wik. article, because neither Israelites, Jews, or Israelis covers more than part of the intended meaning. Arminden (talk) 09:12, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The use of ethnic Jew
The use of of the term "ethnic Jew" is inaccurate and invalidating of Jews by Choice. The ethnicity(which is not genetic but environmental)and religion are intertwined and converts are fully adopted into both. JbC are 100% Jewish and thus, able to question and abandon their faith and remain Jewish. I think an alternative term should be chosen, like "Jews by Descent". MagicalEnbySarah (talk) 09:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
 * How does that help? If you choose to come into Judaism, then you aren't a Jew by descent. I mean, you might be, maybe you have a Jewish ancestor, but that's a separate matter, the point is that your Judaism isn't on account of that descent.
 * You may be reading it too inflexibly. The point is that there are people who are Jewish by faith, by religious observance; there are ethnic Jews; and there are people who are both. If you've chosen to be part of the Jewish people, you aren't an ethnic Jew, but you're Jewish. Largoplazo (talk) 10:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 April 2024
Palestine is a relatively new term and becomes political very quickly. Recommend using Levant or Western Asia however being that this topic is about the Jews recommend using the language that they use to describe where they are from, that being their ancestral homeland of Ancient Israel/Judea Samaria. F smithers (talk) 10:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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 * The area's been known as Palestine for over 2,500 years. Largoplazo (talk) 12:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit proposal
I would sincerely ask that you directly, clearly and unambiguously emphasize the Semitic origin in the first paragraph. Thanks. Bagyblazha (talk) 15:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)