Talk:Jill Lerner

I consider FAIA to be enough to meet WP:ARCHITECT
Per WP:ARCHITECT #1: "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors". Jill Lerner holds the fellowship of American Institute of Architects, which is recognized by the Wikipedia community as a proof of biographical notability (see this recent discussion on Maryann Thompson, another FAIA). -- 痛 (talk) 17:39, 11 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, you proposed that it was proof, and agreed with you on this point. Nobody else commented on it, either way. Yet the article's deletion was "endorsed" (allowed to continue), even though the article was considerably more informative than this draft on Lerner is. (Interestingly, nobody has bothered since then to create a good article on Thompson, even though this was permitted.) If being a FAIA is evidence of notability, then Lerner is notable; if she's notable, then I'd expect that good material would have been written about her in reliable sources. Where is this? (Don't answer this here; instead, add summaries of such material to the draft.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's my dilemma. Sometimes the person (usually a scholar) is "notable" for a particular achievement (like a fellowship), but they do not have much details beyond that. At this point, I have done whatever I can to use "official" source not written by Lerner herself. I originally wrote this for an editathon. If this still does not qualify moving the draft to the article namespace, I do not have more mental energy to improve beyond this. Feel free to CSD G13 or U1 this. 痛 (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yes. I have declined the draft because the statement that she is a Fellow of the American Institute of Architects is unreferenced.  Either provide a reliable source for FAIA, or expand the draft to satisfy general notability, or both.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * (Shrug) I don't know why you think source #6 "fellows directory" makes the statement "unreferenced", but I respect your time. 痛 (talk) 18:35, 25 June 2023 (UTC)


 * No need to get a 頭痛 over this, 痛; just muster a little more "mental energy". I warmly disagree with Robert McClenon: The source already cited credibly demonstrates that Jill N. Lerner is a FAIA. But the AIA didn't just choose her by . You've got four buildings "Under Lerner's Direction", and three of the four are, we're told, written up somehow in a two-page span within The world by design: the story of a global architecture firm. Doesn't this say something about Lerner's work? (That she directed the design this way or that way; that the result is this kind of success or perhaps that kind of failure?) -- Hoary (talk) 00:07, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I have accepted the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2023 (UTC)