Talk:Jim Brown/Archive 1

Draft
It was the 1957 draft when he was taken by the Browns, not 1956. He was the 6th selection overall. 173.75.156.27 (talk) 07:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Career Marks
--Billymac00 02:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Most games played, RB (only RB in the top 10 RB/WR/QB on the list)
 * TDs per game, highest average, RB
 * Yds per game, highest average, RB

Rushing Yard-Typo had his career rushing yards at a mind boggling 102,312 yards. Fixed to 12,312 yards. --Princesabin 19 October 2006

Film
While this article does a good job on discussing Brown's athletic career, his film career is barely mentioned. MK2 04:36, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)

?
I never even knew he had a film career til I read this. C2 aaron 14:23, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Didn't he also spend some time in jail?

Next to no data on his tumultuous personal life

Page Is Semi-Protected, Ergo I Had To Place The Following Info Here. Please Start Filmography List And Include : Film : The Split, Year : 1968 , Role : McClain — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.125.161.39 (talk) 23:27, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Raiders jersey?
Jim in a Raiders jersey? Oh, the humanity! Can't someone finding a picture of him in a Brownies uniform??The Invisible Man 05:06, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

1958 AP NFL MVP
I'm pretty sure Marchetti won it: Quadzilla99 23:03, 27 April 2007 (UTC)...Sorry but Jim Brown won the MVP in 1958. Check NFL records...Gino was a great player but no one was better than Jim Brown and I am not a Browns fan..N.Y. Giants...CB

Neutrality dispute?
So, where exactly is the neutrality of the article disputed? The notification at the top of the article indicates that the neutrality of the article is in question, yet I see no mention of this supposed dispute anywhere. If the neutrality is no longer in question, then the flag should be removed, correct? If not, whoever initiated the action should perhaps identify whatever material is in question so that it could be addressed. GCD1 (talk) 17:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like this was quietly removed. Thanks -- now I know I'm not missing some kind of glaringly obvious NPOV in the article. GCD1 (talk) 20:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You are now, check out the Wife Beating section...!--Koncorde (talk) 19:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Friendship with Richard Pryor
I am a big Richard Pryor fan, and anyone else who is knows Rich talked alot about Jim Brown. One of the quotes he humorously said is "Jim Brown earned all the yards you could earn, never missed a practice, and never got hurt-- or tired." There also is a skit where he talks about Brown helping him get into rehab, and off drugs.

This should get some mention on both articles. My source thus far is the Richard Pryor Box set I own... parallel sources I am not aware of at the moment. Ben414 (talk) 15:06, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Arrests
I'm certain that information about his arrest record was present last time I read this page, but it appears to have been removed, is there any good reason for this? 86.136.220.97 (talk) 18:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * There was a section until the 5th of June related to Wife Beating that basically consisted of uncited slanderous POV. There might have been more prior to that, don't know.--Koncorde (talk) 01:41, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Boxing
I think I read somewhere that in addition to his heroics in football, basketball, and la crosse, he was also NCAA heavyweight boxing champion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.160.67.48 (talk) 14:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Page Seems Woefully Inadequate
Brown is a much more complex figure than this page would suggest, both in good and bad ways. Many arrests, and also a great deal of social activism, friendships with Malcolm X and Ali and so on. I would only say that unless both the arrests and the activism are added at the same time and given equal weight, they ought to be left out - because I know the tendency is to focus more on the controversy than on his involvement with the fight for social justice. But ideally it all will eventually be included, so that a reader can get a better picture of the man as he actually was, and is. He is not just an athlete or an actor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.230.108.126 (talk) 22:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC) On another note, this article is missing his years as an announcer for the UFC, his fame and notoriety had much to do with bringing the sport of Mixed Martial Arts to the level it is today. I highly doubt it would have been more than a blip had it not been for his efforts. So despite a lot of information, (just try to make one of these Wiki articles yourself, it is extremely difficult, and the amount of demands and critics is enough to make one regret doing it!)it is woefully lacking an even-ness, and is far from complete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.214.172 (talk) 04:15, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Lacrosse Career
There should be more information about his HOF career as a Lacrosee player. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steve12992 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

His ability as a lacrosse player definitely deserves more space. He is in the Lacrosse Hall of Fame at Johns Hopkins University's Homewood campus in Baltimore, MD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.36.238.118 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

1957/1958 awards were not "MVP"...
It has been determined that the AP did not start using the term "MVP" until 1961. Therefore, winners of the equivalent awards from years prior to that should be referred to as "Players of the Year (POY)", not "MVP". See the Wikipedia article on NFL MVPs for more info... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.132.232.13 (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Small typo
Payton is misspelled as "Peyton" in the Career Accolades section. 192.31.106.34 (talk) 01:02, 16 October 2009 (UTC)Mikey

Moving down the list
Pro Career section needs the following change. LT passed him on the career rushing yards list today, moving JB down to ninth.

Brown retired far ahead of the second-leading rusher and remains the league's ninth all-time leading rusher, and is still the Cleveland Browns all-time leading rusher. reference: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/wires/12/06/2020.ap.fbn.chargers.tomlinson.2nd.ld.writethru.0255/ --CraziFuzzy (talk) 04:24, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Fumble Record
Jim Brown did fumble the ball during his NFL career —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.134.92.105 (talk) 01:10, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 128.32.232.176, 1 September 2010
The line about Brown never having fumbled is complete bullshit. He fumbled over 50 times in his career.

128.32.232.176 (talk) 23:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

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File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Celestra (talk) 00:24, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

UFC commentator
Though the bio has one sentence about Brown's participation as the one constant commentator in all of the first 6 UFC's, it does not give him adequate credit. Jim Brown was the first person to differentiate between full-guard, half-guard and full-mount, and to stress the importance of MMA fighters learning the guard and knowing what they were doing on the ground. Since learning the guard is perhaps the single most important part of MMA today, I think he deserves to be credited for this. His commentation was surprisingly insightful (especially for the time) and he stressed sportsmanship and the dignity of the sport and the fighters. (Cite - "The Ultimate Fighting Championship, vol 01-10" on DVD by SEG Sports) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.181.65.157 (talk) 19:05, 5 November 2010 (UTC) Brown also did the color commentary for the the first Chuvalo-Clay (Ali) fight at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto in 1966. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Consulzephyr (talk • contribs) 22:50, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

St. Simons
I think the Miami Herald is severely mistaken about St. Simons. They called it an "all-black" community and the fact is that St. Simons has virtually NO black families. According to it's Wikipedia article the white population is 94% to 3.6% black. And saying that there is no racism is also a misnomer. I certainly don't have a quotable source on this and maybe he personally didn't experience it but I find that doubtful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.23.12.152 (talk) 19:33, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I have just a minor addition to the comments regarding Jim Brown growing up on St Simons Island, Georgia and that area being referred to as an "All Black Community". Yes, there were All Black Communities on St Simons as was so prevalent in those days but these were small communities compared to the predominant White Communities. I grew up on St Simons Island along with my dad and his siblings. He lived there from the 30's and I lived there in the 60's - 70's. There was still a great deal of segregation until integration in the 70's and eventually a little bit of blending of cultures. This is more of a clarification to what St Simons was like. This location was started as a English Colony. There are many Historic Landmarks where Forts were built and old Churches still exist. But Blacks were originally brought into this area to help on the large farm communities. There is also a very sad event of a Salve Ship that was unloading here on the Island. It was told that all of the folks walked off the ship in their chains and into the water to drown themselves.Marko O&#39;Brien (talk) 14:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Children, first wife
Shouldn't there be something in here about his first wife, Susan? I believe they divorced in 1970. I think he also had some children, before and after that. Shouldn't that be mentioned, also? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.153.0 (talk) 23:32, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Current Status with Cleveland Browns
Upon taking control, new President Mike Holmgren wanted to limit Brown's role with the franchise. Brown rejected his reduced roll saying he would not stay with the team to be a "greeter, that of a mascot." Amid the dispute, Brown did not attend his induction to the Browns Ring of Honor. and his chid named daquan strawter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.139.251.233 (talk) 14:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Current Status with Cleveland Browns
Upon taking control, new President Mike Holmgren wanted to limit Brown's role with the franchise. Brown rejected his reduced roll saying he would not stay with the team to be a "greeter, that of a mascot." Amid the dispute, Brown did not attend his induction to the Browns Ring of Honor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.57.195 (talk) 17:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Jerome Bettis comment?
The last sentence in a paragraph under Other Post-Football Actvities concerning Jerome Bettis breaking his record is unnecessary. People don't care if he was a Steeler like Franco Harris. All the other runningbacks that broke his record should be mentioned too. Stupid sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpruitt30 (talk • contribs) 15:39, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Retired number #32 and Browns Ring of Honor.
Shouldn't there be something about his retired number in his accolades off to the right? it seems every other retired number player has it listed, but for some reason his isn't? Also he was inducted into the Cleveland Browns Ring of Honor at Cleveland Browns stadium. The Ring of Honor induction ceremony and unveiling took place at halftime of the Browns' regular season home opener, against Kansas City on Sunday, September 19,2010. http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/history/ring-of-honor.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.25.114.135 (talk) 06:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Number of seasons reference
"Brown retired after eight seasons as opposed to the all time rushing leader Emmit Smith's fourteen and remains the National Football league's ninth all-time leading rusher. Brown is still the Cleveland Browns all-time leading rusher."

should be

"Brown retired after NINE seasons." The reference to all-time rushing leader Emmitt Smith is irrelevant. If the sentence were to be expanded, it could read 'Brown retired after only nine season as the NFL's all-time leading rusher. He held the record of 12,312 yards until it was broken by Walter Payton on October 7, 1984, during Payton's 10th NFL season. Brown is still the Cleveland Browns all-time leading rusher." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.166.23.242 (talk) 00:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I immediately noticed that mistake. However, when I went to correct it, I noticed the entry was locked. Someone needs to fix it.74.138.40.147 (talk) 17:42, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 01:13, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Friends of Distinction
From everything I've read, it appears that Jim Brown discovered the late 1960's/early 1970's band Friends of Distinction (remember the hit "Grazin' In The Grass"?). I couldn't find an official site for the band, but I read a number of well-sourced links including a forum at http://faac.us/adf/messages/213228/210503.html?1275036999 that had a lot of internal band info that only someone who really knew the group would know, and it said that Jim Brown had a relationship with FoD band member Jessica Cleaves at one point. I also found a page at The Examiner that Wikipedia won't let me publish (due to the site being blocked by Wikipedia) that says Jim Brown was in L.A. pursuing an acting career in the late 1960's & became FoD's manager & hooked them up with RCA on a record deal. I also found a site at http://www.utopiaartists.com/bio_friends_of_distinction.htm that claims to book FoD (a lot of "agents" claim to book bands & are simply middlemen, mind you), and the page says that Jim Brown financed & encouraged the band in its formative years. This is all I can find, and although it's not official --- assuming Utopia isn't an official manager/spokesperson for FoD as they don't claim on their site to represent FoD as their personal management, just a booking agent, and possibly one of many that book them --- but if you take all the evidence as a whole, I believe an objective unbiased person would conclude that Jim Brown indeed discovered FoD in the sense that he found them, managed them & got them their record deal. I also feel that Jim Brown's page should be updated to reflect this. Note that there is an internet claim that he discovered Earth Wind & Fire that I believe is completely without merit, as Earth Wind & Fire's history on its official website mentions nothing of it, and they were actually discovered by Clive Davis (as the group they evolved into) that became a hitmaker prior to their Jazz recordings at WB.PhilOSophocle (talk) 18:33, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Hiding filmography
Would anyone mind if I hid (not delete) the filmography section or at least move it to the bottom of the page? It's a bit cumbersome and disrupts the flow of the article. Bigmoe797 (talk) 16:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Per MOS:DONTHIDE, collapsible templates shouldn't be used to hide article info. I think it's fine where it is, since it follows the section on his acting career. Lizard  (talk) 17:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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problem with "sporting accolades" section
In the "Sporting accolades" section, the attempts to compare career statistics among running backs are not "accolades" at all, and moreover diminish the article's objectivity. For instance: "...Hall of Famer Walter Payton averaged only 88 yards per game during his career...." Even setting aside the use of the word "only" (which, considering that Payton's per-game average is seventh all-time, is subjective and negative), a proper comparison would also mention that in Brown's nine seasons the offensive linemen who blocked for him earned a combined twenty Pro Bowl selections, while in Payton's first nine seasons his teams had zero selections (albeit in a larger league with more teams from which to choose Pro Bowlers), and in his entire career only five. These kinds of arguments are fair game for sports-talk websites, but not for a Wikipedia article.

The hall of fame selections, the Sanders quote, and the media "greatest" selections are all entirely appropriate for an "accolades" section. Pro Bowl and All-Pro selections would also be appropriate. The paragraph citing Brown's statistical records is best moved to the "Professional football career" section, since statistics are not accolades. And the comparison sentences are best deleted, since his statistical records are sufficient for comparison purposes and do not cross the line into advocacy or argument.

byamrcn 22:30, 12 February 2019 (UTC)