Talk:Jim Jefferies

Name
Everything I've ever heard (including his website) points to Jefferies as the proper spelling, NOT Jeffries. Change it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.127.149 (talk) 15:54, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Notability
His only claim to fame seems to be that a drunk member of the audience once hit him in Manchester. The entry seems to be a vanity/publicity piece, as witnessed by the fact a link to the video of him being punched has been posted on this "discussion" page. Why? 06:13, 05 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And a comedian who has featured on several television programmes, including Have I Got News For You, which is watched by millions on BBC One. The JPS talk to me  16:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

He is clearly not "is the funniest man ever to live". The link supporting this ludicrous claim doesn't work either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonc1 (talk • contribs) 17:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Rewrite
Previous versions of this article had limitations, and their speedy deletions were probably justified. I have rewritten this article and it now easily meets WP:BIO. The JPS talk to me  14:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Has he got any parents?2.101.151.145 (talk) 15:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)Lance Tyrell

Jim Jeffries Punched
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2WCGKb8ikRc Jim is live on stage and he get punched.

Why did the guy punch Jim Jeffries?
What is the story behind that?

O&A
Is this page about Jim Jeffries or about his appearences on Opie and Anthony?

His official site spells his name Jefferies, not Jeffries. What's up?

Am I missing something here?
This part of the opening line

"Jim Jefferies[1] (born Sydney, Australia) (spelled as "Jim Jefferies" in the United States)"

Are they not exactly the same spellings? 90.218.188.163 (talk) 21:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Jim Jefferies is a member of the LGBTQIA+ community. He came out to his parents at the age of 23. He has struggled very hard with his urge to transition into a woman. However, his parents do not approve of his Trans identity. Therefore, he has instead been identifying as a gay man since the age of 24. Due to the disapproval of his parents, he secretly identifies as gay. This shows the detrimental nature of American mainstream media, commenting specifically on the perpetuation of discrimination and subliminal microagressions toward the LGBTQIA+ community that are still prevalent in today's media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:645:4001:F930:A088:61F4:70F1:ECD9 (talk) 11:56, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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It seems to be more than an "internet smear campaign"
The page is currently locked after a mini edit war with a fair amount of vandalism, some of which has been labelled in the reverts as "an internet smear campaign"; I think that characterization might be accurate, but is one-sided as the debate seems to run in both directions. Since there are aspects of BLP here, I'm simply reporting here what I saw in a video (below) and the edit history of this page, and of course corrections/clarifications are welcome. I thought I'd add some evidence to the talk page to inform the discussion of what's going on. Here is the source of the "he's islamophobic" charge, this hidden camera video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCQhAezB_Q released by Avi Yemini video segments of whom were recorded some week ago but were included in a a recent Jeffries piece that aired in the wake of the Christchurch shootings. Yemini I'm not that familiar with but from my reading is apparently a pro-Israeli OZie who in the current political climate would likely be labelled as "alt-right", and whether he uses that label himself or not, he denies that he is far right. He is claiming that when "off camera" Jefferies presents a different persona to an interviewee and then edits the interview to color the interviewee and cover up Jefferies's own comments (which I would characterize as seemingly to stir up trouble, perhaps to evoke "candid" or "off guard" remarks). Watch from the beginning or here are some useful timestamps: 4:30 Jefferies indicates he has sketched a cartoon of Mohammed who he makes some mild criticism of, and 5:45 Jefferies criticizes the burka and, while no doubt joking, suggests "the dingo" would have vomited a Moslem baby. Avi Yemini at the beginning of this youtube suggests that there are more excerpts of this video soon to be released. 98.13.244.125 (talk) 01:08, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure whoever made these edits simply meant to point out a certain hypocrisy, namely that when right-leaning individuals make similar jokes or statements, they are regularly labelled as "islamophobic" by the mainstream media. Perhaps we should make a Controversy section, seeing as this story is fairly prominent (Avi Yemini's hidden cam video has been up for less than 2 days but has almost a million views). M   .   M  10:43, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There is video evidence of these things. They are not "claiming" when the videos are available to prove it. "I'm not a fan of Islam. I think that wearing a burka is stupid". Jim Jeffries is a liar and a toad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.161.207.38 (talk) 13:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * I've only heard of him because of the controversy and then I go on wikipedia to learn more and there's no mention of it and in fact it is being actively blocked. This could be the most notable information about him. 2600:1700:E3A0:EF80:34DB:CF63:C233:F0C0 (talk) 18:32, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


 * There has been another youtube video which showed that Avi Yemeni himself edited his own recording to incorrectly portray the responses of Jim Jeffrey. The unedited footage was gained by purchase from Avi Yemeni's Patreon and clearly shows that the claims made are false in light of the material cut before and after certain segments of the video referring to the supposed 'Anti-Islamic and dingo baby quote' which was preceded by a disclaimer that Jim Jefferies feels the same about all religions, not singling out Islam in particular. Whilst I do not have a source for the next claim, the Muhammad drawing segment was always purported to be false as Jefferies later indicated, after mentioning he was drawing Muhammad, that he drew 'Mike'- referring to a person off screen. Apparently the footage showcasing this is on Avi Yemeni's Patreon and I strong suggest that the newly added controversy section be deleted or not refer to sources of dubious validity until a link to the unedited footage is given and is compared to the Jim Jefferies segment and the Avi Yemeni videos so that a conclusion under a reasonable standard of evidence can be surmised.24.44.9.27 (talk) 16:10, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
 * As per Wikipedia's policies on biographies of living people, this type of information (whether positive or negative) would need to be reported in reliable, independent sources, rather than based on Youtube videos. Also, note that if the information is notable enough to be reported by reliable sources, then it should be merged into the main body of the article, rather than in a separate "controversy" section. --Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 01:20, 26 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Breitbart have posted a news article dated 26 March 2019 by Lucas Nolan detailing the incident with Jim Jefferies and Avi Yemini, including references to the Avi's Facebook banning and the hidden camera recording as detailed in the original Wiki Edits. For some reason, Wikipedia blocks link posting from Breitbart in Talk sections. - This should be sufficient justification for the edits as shown in the previous Wiki page update. NorseStorm57 (talk) 05:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

The left wing seems to be vandalising this page and removing accurate and proven information. These things should be added immediately and then his page should be prevented from being tampered with again. Just because the footage is unflattering doesn't mean it isn't accurate. As a historian this information should be re-added. The validity of the video is without question and is properly source. BrendanMtx (talk) 06:55, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the interview with Avi Yemini
Here are some sources that should be possible to use for the incident. Breitbart is not allowed as a reference in Wikipedia anymore. They should preferably be used in a "Controversies" section.

https://jpost.com/Diaspora/Jim-Jeffries-video-captures-comedians-antisemitic-and-anti-Islam-slurs-584721

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/jim-jefferies-busted/news-story/471a285d1438aed7a3ce641b934533bc

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/comedy-central-host-exposed-as-a-hypocrite-by-hidden-camera/

David A (talk) 09:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

The second source is a dead link plus the other two sources are opinion pieces that are based on a youtube video that is released from one of the involved parties. Youtube videos are considered poor sources by Wikipedia and pieces citing them as their sole source are by the transitive property unreliable. Secondly, released footage from Yemeni's Patreon account and another video posted by a youtube user shows that the Yemeni video itself was edited and cut parts out- to make an already dodgy piece of evidence even more dodgy. In light of this, this entire story is a damp squib- put opinion pieces in opinion pieces. Put facts that submit to a reasonable burden of proof to this page. Furthermore there are too few corresponding sources, or sources from outlets with reputable levels of impartiality, to confer an appropriate level of consensus to this incident. 24.44.9.27 (talk) 01:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

As far as I remember, the videos in question explicitly show Jim Jefferies drawing and mocking Muhammad, and making disparaging comments about Muslims, and that Avi Yemini explicitly told him to stop. Then the published Comedy Central version of the interview cut together different segments of question with different answers than the ones Yemini actually gave to each question, and tried to tie him, a Jew, to neo-Nazi groups. That the mainstream media has mostly tried to cover up this very notable incident, does not mean that Wikipedia should do so as well. David A (talk) 05:42, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

I also corrected the missing link. My apologies for the inconvenience. David A (talk) 05:45, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

There appear to be 4 relevant videos with clips from the Jim Jefferies interview and another from his standup routine comments about Muslims in Avi Yemini's Youtube channel. They definitely did not seem edited to me, and I strongly doubt that Avi Yemini has the skill to perform extremely convincing video editing. You can verify for yourselves if you wish. I tried to include the links, but was stopped by a blacklist filter. David A (talk) 06:25, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Never mind. I figured out a solution: https://pastebin.com/RtEfnrpm David A (talk) 06:54, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank for you amending the missing link. However my points still stands about the dubious nature of youtube videos as primary sources. An acceptable video as a primary source would be footage with proper time stamps, with no opinion piece or edits or switches to different segments of the footage and probably access to the original storage medium itself. Video footage is an acceptable source if it shows clear and convincing proof of an irrefutable act, such as with a physical altercation, physical vandalism, etc. The burden of proof becomes higher with statements where contextual cues and an established narrative are essential to validate an interpretation.

In the case of content pertaining to cited videos, we can only make the following claims:

Jim Jefferies said he was drawing Muhammad, however we don't have footage that shows the depiction nor confirmation from Jim, Avi or anyone else (during the video) that he drew him. To establish explicit portrayal of such an act, an image of the drawing is a minimum requirement. All way we can say that he declared he was drawing Muhammad and drew something.

Furthermore, (the following point lacks a source currently and is considered speculation), viewers of footage from Avi's Patreon stated that Jim after drawing said image said that he drew Mike- indicating to a staff member off screen.

To the second point, making statements in a comedic show or setting- whether of an inflammatory nature or not- cannot be used to infer that the speaker of said statements holds those views. Whilst you can certainly make arguments that argue for this claim, no argument would be sufficient without proof of intent, which I would argue is impossible in this context. If there is relevant evidence to Jim Jefferies displaying behaviour consistent with these views in a public non-comedic setting, this source would be more acceptable- I cannot declare it fits the standards of Wikipedia but you can check the sources page to see what criteria sources must match.

This is the essential problem with video evidence showed by a party member involved in an incident. We cannot account for reliability and impartiality especially considering the polemic nature of the video and the agenda in said video. Regardless of implicated slander, the standards for acceptable sources must be met. An opinion of whether the video lacking any editing or concerning the uploader's editing skill is not acceptable as proof. Not to mention that cropping videos and segmenting them together seems to be a skill that the uploader or an acquaintance of the uploader has ability to do concerning he pieced together his recorded statement and the clip from the show. You can I suppose do a detailed frame by frame analysis of the video and check for editing, although you would probably require metadata of the original video.

Tying access to particular groups or slander may be addressed in a court of law. If Avi Yemeni submits a defamation suit against Jim Jefferies, the Jim Jefferies show, or any involved party, a link to the case details from a court database would be perfectly acceptable as citations for your claim. If there has been truly been an attempt at slander that was purported to cause distress to the subject, I would opine that, regarding the current insufficiency of evidence, a lawsuit by the defendant would be a probable means to acquire appropriate evidence pertaining to the required standard, statements from both parties under oath and a ruling in favor of or against the defendant. 24.44.9.27 (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * See WP:BLPPRIMARY. "trial transcripts and other court records" are specifically not suitable as sources. If the court case is covered in reliable secondary sources then it may be suitable to mention here. But if no reliable secondary source pay attention to the court case, then no we won't be either. Nil Einne (talk) 13:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

My bad, didn't know about Wikipedia's policy on primary sources. Though I'm curious as to why details from a court case in the public domain cannot be just stated without interpretation. Certainly any interpretation of the data or opinion by a wiki editor would fall under misuse of primary sources but just a declaration of the outcome should be admissible. 24.44.9.27 (talk) 20:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Posting this in case it's useful. My thinking is that since the scandal seems to be focused on selective editing and context, having the whole video available as a convenience for interested Editors to watch will improve the article.  Masking the URL to prevent direct link, in case that is a problem.  hxxps://youtu.be/odCQhAezB_Q.  As an Editor, I'm still learning.  If this is in violation of Wikipedia Policy, please feel free to revert, but also please explain your actions. Tym Whittier (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Here are links to all of the 5 relevant videos: https://pastebin.com/RtEfnrpm David A (talk) 18:07, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Or here if you prefer: [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=odCQhAezB_Q] [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GarD5ju_z4] [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0lxVVtPmLY] [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ6k_7E-UZ8] [//www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JklGU1TFwI] David A (talk) 18:09, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

The fact still stand that he used obvious and proved editing to replace one answer to the other and he at least in some part draw the conversation to a not serious aproach of islam (faking drawing picture "i don't like islam ect"). The youtube video is not even needed to see the editing. And after 2.3 millions view in this video reference of the information only : existance of the controversy link to it ect IS needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0lxVVtPmLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GarD5ju_z4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ6k_7E-UZ8 Others snipets of the interview — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB00:86A1:A300:1CBF:C4CF:86CB:4BBA (talk) 01:57, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

The Avi Yemini controversy has a section on the page for The Jim Jefferies Show; are we using two different standards for notability if it is being addressed in one page but not the other? It seems that either a section should be added on this page, or the section on the other page should be removed. Brock Rumlow (talk) 14:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


 * It really should be noted that this issue regarding the Avi Yemini Jim Jeffries interview has resulted in a suit against viacom - https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/32401444/Yemini_v_Viacom_Inc_et_al


 * This was ended in the following manner "Stipulation and Order of Dismissal. in favor of Avraham Shalom Yemini against Viacom Inc.," and "voluntarily dismissed, with prejudice against the defendant(s)" the defendants being Viacom. Octothorn (talk) 14:51, 11 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The case was dismissed without any finding of wrongdoing and without being covered by any reliable sources? Doesn't sound like something particularly noteworthy.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 17:28, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Jim Jefferies got married to Tasie Lawrence
On Saturday, September 26, 2020, Jim Jefferies married Tasie Lawrence at "A Little White Chapel" in Las Vegas, NV.

News Story: https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/perth-comedian-jim-jefferies-ties-the-knot-to-tasie-lawrence-ng-b881678022z?utm_content=buffer8d144&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=the-west-news — Preceding unsigned comment added by JackWHackett (talk • contribs) 02:14, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 12 July 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 08:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

– Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The wickedly hilarious and well-known comedian is far better known than the obscure footballer, and he’s the only other use. The comedian consistently achieves more than 200x the page views. No contest. The proposed disambiguated destination for the dab page already redirects to the currently undisambiguated dab page at the base name. В²C ☎ 05:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Jim Jefferies (comedian) → Jim Jefferies
 * Jim Jefferies → Jim Jefferies (disambiguation)
 * Support per nom. -- Calidum  19:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. 99to99 (talk) 11:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. Well reasoned by nom.-- Mojo Hand (talk) 19:16, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2021
Jefferies is autistic. 108.7.42.80 (talk) 02:08, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure about this one. Quoting Jefferies from that piece, about his diagnosis: Well, I don’t believe I am. The doctor said that, but I don’t particularly believe that. Of course there are Autistic people, of course it’s very clear that some people have Autism... I think maybe people are diagnosing personality traits as conditions. So I’m not very good at making eye contact with people and I fade out very quickly, but maybe I’m just an asshole. We'd probably have to include a discussion both of the diagnosis and Jefferies' scepticism over the diagnosis, and I'm not sure something I can find very little information about in reliable sources should fill up so much of his personal life section. &#8209;&#8209;Volteer1 (talk) 05:00, 30 July 2021 (UTC)


 * He said he was autistic as a part of his standup comedic routine. As far as laughable sources go this is the most laughable. --Nomad (talk) 16:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2022
Addition for the television section: Jim appeared on an episode of S.W.A.T (S05 E11) that aired on 27 Feb 2022 as the character named Shadowbox 86.30.130.66 (talk) 23:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)
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Other Work
clearly the other work section should mention his I Don't Know About That podcast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.86.46.50 (talk) 14:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

The link to his podcast is here: https://jimjefferies.com/podcast
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 December 2022
Add to Filmography. TV Series "SWAT", role: "Blake Spencer aka Shadow Boxx", Year 2022

Link on imdb for reference evidence: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16915964/ Fraserab (talk) 02:56, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2023
In 2023 Jim appears on Australian television hosting a new game show called The 1% Club. Bomber7 teen (talk) 01:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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Gun Control
Surprised that Jim's "Gun Control" bit from his Netflix special "Bare" is not featured in this article. Even Jim attributes his rising success in the USA to the fact that his "Gun Control" bit went viral on social media. Jim features the routine on this YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0 2600:1700:2F01:B610:2479:E91E:103D:D45D (talk) 20:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Mispelling in this page.
"Burnie" is misspelled as "Bernie" in the Filmography section. Can someone fix that? Laziminoes (talk) 01:58, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

He seems to change maritial status
Accoding to his last special and other sources https://news.amomama.com/298044-tasie-lawrence-is-comedian-jim-jefferies.html had married to another partner and she was with child and possibly already gave birth?. Would someone be so kind and factcheck/add that? Lwh (talk) 22:27, 21 December 2023 (UTC)