Talk:Jim Moir

Cancer research?
"Before moving to London to pursue a career in the civil service, Jim had worked as a pig farmer, a cabbage farmer, in cancer research and as a factory inspector." - i don't know but cancer research seems like an ood career move from pig farmer? is this correct it may need clarification. --User:Tomber


 * Assuming these professions aren't a joke, it could mean he worked in a Cancer Research charity shop (which sells second-hand goods). There are quite a number dotted around the UK IIRC though they may use a different name now as the charity has changed its name.--88.112.155.70 (talk) 06:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Vic and Bob
I think it's right for Vic and Bob each to have articles of their own, as they don't always appear together. Deb 20:10, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, but I'm concerned about the duplication of information between here and the Vic and Bob article. Surely that article should talk about the history of the double act, and refer people to here and Bob Mortimer for the more detailed biographies. PaulHammond 17:26, Feb 7, 2005 (UTC)

Nah.--Crestville 18:09, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Name
So what's his real (legal) name now? Vic or Jim? This article uses both Jim and Reeves.--Jmstylr 19:17, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
 * His real name is Jim, that;s what his family and, say, Bob call him. Vic is just a psyudonem. I still think he should be reffered to as Reeves in the article.--Crestville 15:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * His family actually all call him Rod... Jimshears 17:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Does the first sentence imply that the _pseudonym_ was born in 1959?

His name has always been James Roderick Moir so far as I am aware. Actually, in English law you are perfectly entitled to call yourself whatever you like, so he is entitled to call himself "Vic Reeves" if he wants to. That is perfectly legal. Actually though, he is clearly quite fond of his real name. He is on Twitter as "Jim Moir" and I refer also to the Telegraph newspaper edition of 17th August 2017: "Celebrity Masterchef fans left baffled by Vic Reeves appearing as 'Jim Moir'". I think this article perhaps ought to also reflect his current preference. John2o2o2o (talk) 23:39, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Career bits
Just as a reminder for anyone who can remember more details than I can, does anyone want to add a mention regarding the short series he did (for satellite TV, I think) about (in)famous pirates and assorted other ne'erdowells, presumably as a follow-on to his appearance on Celebrity Mastermind with that as his chosen subject? I seem to recall that it was rather good, just not its name or the channel! Chris 21:08, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It was on the History Channel or Discovery Channel and called "Vic Reeves' Rouges Gallery" or summat like that. Jog your memory at all?--Crestville 12:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Jogs my memory, just not my ability to articulate coherently, which is why I was trying to persuade someone else to write it up. :) Chris 13:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I am surprised that no one mentions the fact that it was in the Radio Times and thefore on their website. Of course it also on IMDb but tht contains very little information. JHvW 19:24, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

What about the addition of his recent autobiography? I can't remember what it was called at the moment but it's a pretty good pun on his name. dnisbet 15 July 2006


 * Me:Moir--Crestville 12:45, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Can we have a picture of this guy?... :)

I REALLY REALLY REALLY want a picture of this guy... Its been quite some time since I originally posted this request...
 * Is your google broken? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.190.65 (talk) 08:23, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Vic reeves investigates Jack the Ripper
Vic recently did a programme of the same title, when he decided to investigate the Jack the Ripper case. This should be included in the article.


 * I've added it to the television appearances section, but as I didn't see the program, I can't add much more. If you want to add further details, you can do so at the end of the As Vic Reeves section. BTW, anyone know if there'll be any more "Vic Reeves Investigates" shows? Gram123 11:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The Sky one website about the show seems to imply that it was a one-off show, but anything could happen. Here's a link to the web page... http://www.skyone.co.uk/jacktheripper/  I've also added a bit about the programme and applied the link above as a resource

Vic Reeves' Pirates
A recent show on the History channel in the UK is Vic Reeves' Pirates. It documents Vic Reeves exploring some of the most notorious pirates, such as Blackbeard. This should be added to the broadcast list. Here's an external link to the history channel website in regards to te programme.

http://www.thehistorychannel.co.uk/site/tv_guide/full_details/World_history/programme_56.php

Looneyman 19:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Pirates was already mentioned in the article, just above the list, as are a couple of other shows like Rogues Gallery. However, they're not included in the list of appearances...
 * For the time being, I've changed the list title from "Television Appearances" to "Other television appearances", but it's a better idea to ensure the list is complete. Just because programs are mentioned in the "As Vic Reeves" section, doesn't mean we should omit them from the appearances list.


 * In fact, to improve the article, we should really expand the "As Vic Reeves" section, giving more info about his key programs (without overly replicating any articles, of course), as it's a bit listy itself at present. Plus, if that list of programs keeps growing, it'll probably need an article itself at some point. Gram123 16:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've gone ahead and added the other appearances to the list, plus I've moved a couple which belonged on the Vic and Bob article. Gram123 11:07, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
I was attempting to edit this page and I've made a right mess of it; somehow the majority of the article is now a reference. I am very sorry and I promise I will not try to edit wikipedia whilst hung over at work again but can someone else sort this out as my manager is beginning to get suspicious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wangpangu (talk • contribs) 17:19, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Gram123 (talk) 11:44, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Article Image
I uploaded the Vic pic and tried to justify it by saying that this sort of appearance was typical of Vic's tv work in recent years. However, as the image is taken from the program "Never Mind the Buzzcocks", and this article is not about that show, nor does it have a section about that show, I have received a "Possibly unfree Image" notification. I guess this means that it will ultimately be deleted unless by some bizzare chance the image is copyright free, or if this article or the image rationale can be amended. This may be more work than anyone cares to undertake, but if you are interested, the image page is here: Image:VicReevesScreenshot.jpg and to contest the argument that it should be deleted, go here:.

Should the image be deleted, I was thinking of what image could be uploaded in its place, and how the article would have to be amended to allow for it. Obviously if anyone's got a shot of Vic that they took themselves, that's the best option. Otherwise a screenshot of one of Vic's shows could be used, but going by the logic that dictates that the current pic will be deleted as there is no Buzzcocks section, the article would have to be re-written slightly in order to devote a section to whatever program the screenshot was taken from. Maybe "Vic Reeves Examines", or "Rogues Gallery" would be the best options as 1) both were Vic without Bob; 2) there is sufficient material to write a little chunk about (particularly Rogues Gallery); 3) Vic presented the whole series', whereas most of his other solo TV appearances have been occasional appearances or one-offs; and 4) neither of those two series have their own articles, so we wouldn't be repeating info that is available elsewhere.

Gram123 (talk) 16:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Drunk or Disorientated
In the section regarding the Brits 2008, it says he was 'visibly drunk' and then goes on to say he argues that the autocue was falty. I'm changing the line to say that he was 'visibly dir-orientated' because its, well fairer. Just thought I'd explain before it gets changed back automatically. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.10.14 (talk) 10:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Did Vic and Bob fall from favour in the nineties and early 2000s partly due to their drinking? I remember seeing at least three charity telethon-type things (Children in Need, Red Nose Day, that sort of thing) that they were on and they were both clearly pissed. It seemed very unprofessional, but as it was for charity you thought oh, they probably aren't getting paid for this anyhow so ....   A recent tv prog about Shooting Stars had Johnny Vegas saying they asked him if he was going to be drinking on the show because they were, so I guess they had a 'work culture' of drinking.  Vic has had a drink conviction, so did all this factor in to their fall from favour on the box? 86.134.25.144 (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, personal experiences count as original research and aren't allowed here; neither are we allowed to say that because of a drink-driving conviction Vic has a drink problem. Therefore, we cannot mention this (per policy) without a dam' good source - and this means not the Sun. If you can find an admission, fine. Otherwise.... -- Rodhull andemu  23:40, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

House Arrest
I started the article Vic Reeves' House Arrest, but I only heard a few episodes, so don't have a lot of details for it. Any help would be appreciated! Gram123 (talk) 13:06, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Appearance as Jim Moir
I think it's worth adding a note in the table mentioning his appearance on the BBC drama "Eric and Ernie" in which he is credited under his real name - the first time I think this has been the case. I'm not adept at editing tables so maybe someone could help here? JohnB57 (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Vic Reeves Examines
I just amended the episode count of this show from 8 to 12. I'm watching them now, there are 12 of them. Here's the info in case anyone wants to do something with it:
 * Episode 01-01 - Pottery (with Johnny Vegas)
 * Episode 01-02 - Whistling (with Ricky Gervais)
 * Episode 01-03 - Part 1 = Cuddling (with Jo Guest), Part 2 = Dog Dirt (with Jenny Powell)
 * Episode 01-04 - Birds (with Bill Oddie)
 * Episode 01-05 - Cutlery (with John Craven)
 * Episode 01-06 - Nightfarts (with Kate Thornton)
 * Episode 01-07 - Dynamite (with Jools Holland)
 * Episode 01-08 - Volcanoes (with Lauren Laverne)
 * Episode 01-09 - Language (with Bob Holness)
 * Episode 01-10 - Small people who drive cars (with Sarah Cawood)
 * Episode 01-11 - Underwater Fish People (with Emma Kennedy)
 * Episode 01-12 - Darts (with Claudia Winkleman)


 * As you can see, they're all mostly full episodes (24 minutes) that had an ad-break half way through, but episode 3 was like two short episodes, one either side of the break. Some sites are showing these as separate episodes (with a total of 9) and some are showing it as 8, counting them as one. They're all wrong though, there are 12. The only site I've found that confirms this is this one (it's not mine): http://www.btinternet.com/~jp1885/reeves-mortimer/exam/index.html

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.155.190.65 (talk) 08:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Recent appearances have all been as Jim Moir
It looks like his Vic Reeves character has now been relegated to specific comedy contexts, and all his recent public appearances as himself have been under the name Jim Moir as have his recent acting roles. This is a change to the pre-2012 period when he was universally known as Vic.

I suggest that the article is now renamed Jim Moir and rewritten in the light of this. I'll do it myself if I get time and there are no strong objections.

--Dominic Sayers (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't think many people would know to search for Jim Moir, pretty much everyone (who isn't an avid fan) knows and recognises Jim as "Vic Reeves". It's a tricky situation, but I think the way the first sentence is worded covers the issue quite well and I don't think that the whole article needs to be changed.

Perhaps to make the name difference more obvious the first sentence/paragraph of the article could explain that, as you've said, since 2012 the Vic Reeves pseudonym has mainly been used for comedy (such as House of Fools, which has a new series coming out this year where he is credited as Reeves) and Jim Moir for public appearances as himself or in straight acting roles?

Caro89 (talk) 22:11, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

83,500 plus followers on Twitter currently recognise him as "Jim Moir". I think the man's real name maybe ought to be given more weight here. John2o2o2o (talk) 23:25, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Adding more sections, losing repeated information
I'm sorry to say that I find this article a bit messy. It's full of information (albeit a lot of it lacking in sources), but I think it could be laid out better - advice or suggestions would be great as I'm a bit nervous to just dive straight in. I find the Vic Reeves section particularly hard to read as there's just so much. Would it be helpful if I separated the "As Vic Reeves" section it into further parts such as Radio, Television, Presenting etc. as the Vic and Bob section is over at Vic and Bob?

Also, should information be repeated? For example, under "As Vic Reeves" is this one-sentence paragraph:

"On 25 August 2009, Reeves appeared as a guest on the BBC One's The One Show with Mortimer." (There is no source.)

This information is then repeated below in the table under Vic Reeves. The "Television Appearances" section also states: "For Reeves' television appearances with Bob Mortimer, see Vic and Bob." As this particular appearance is with Mortimer (and appears on the Vic and Bob page), should it be included in the Vic Reeves Television Appearances table, or even be on this page at all?

I'd love to discuss how this page could be improved visually, so it flows better :) Once that's been sorted out I would like to go through and add sources where I can and expand certain sections.

Caro89 (talk) 17:25, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Television appearances
On my screen, this section starts by listing Randall & Hopkirk (Deceased) (2000 TV series), as a show Vic Reeves did without Bob Mortimer. But the article states that it included Bob Mortimer. I did not care much for this show, as I preferred the original but I cannot edit this section. This entry should be removed. When you look at HTML level there is a line: "Randall &amp; Hopkirk (Deceased) (2000 TV series)"

Between the usual HTML paragraph notation. But I am not going to delve into Wikipedia's HTML. The remark is also not wikified.

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Rename article?
As per the above 'Recent appearances … 'section, perhaps this article does need renaming. See here:. 31.52.160.65 (talk) 10:14, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * No need, Reeves is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME for the subject  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:43, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 14 June 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. As noted in the discussion, WP:NAMECHANGES applies here, so sources from after the subject's name change will be given greater weight. Numerically, people were evenly split on whether Vic Reeves or Jim Moir was this figure's WP:COMMONNAME; however, the supporters of the move provided better sourcing to bolster their claim, leading me to find a consensus for this move. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 15:43, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Vic Reeves → Jim Moir – Formal move discussion based on the section above, and the section from back in 2015. He's now exhibiting artwork, publishing books and presenting TV shows with his name in the title as Jim Moir, apparently doing nothing out-of-character under the "Vic Reeves" name. A rename of the article probably is overdue. Belbury (talk) 13:58, 14 June 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 14:43, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Still overwhelmingly better known as Vic Reeves. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:36, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose as still better known as Vic Reeves. His most-recent Netflix series also credits him as Vic Reeves and I'm guessing the end credits refer to him as Vic. Non-starter RM. – Davey 2010 Talk 15:14, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * That Netflix series was 2020; as linked above, the title and end credits of his 2023 TV show Painting Birds With Jim And Nancy Moir refer to him as Jim. His IMDb page appears to list all of his non-Vic-and-Bob TV work since 2015 (with the possible exception of that one Netflix show?) "as Jim Moir", so I think there is something of a starter here. Belbury (talk) 15:25, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Not sure why I hadn't checked the table so I've struck the incorrect part out, Thanks. – Davey 2010 Talk 19:36, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support; this is a WP:NAMECHANGES case, so we should look at how RSes have handled the name change. Generally, they seem to have preferred to use Moir after the "formerly/more well known as Vic Reeves" qualifier; see, , . Sceptre (talk) 22:51, 23 June 2023 (UTC)