Talk:Jim Verraros

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Openly gay in lead paragraph
Since I keep getting reverted without an edit summary or talk page disucssion of removing "Jim is openly gay." from the lead pararaph, I am going to start a discussion here. The sentence is unneeded for the opening paragraph when the next section/paragraph, two sentences later, discusses his homosexuality. Aspects (talk) 18:00, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

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Overflow
If anyone's interested, here are some additional sources that I've found, featuring critical commentary on Verraros' American Idol performances, which I've decided not to incorporate into this Wiki article, simply because there's no need for them. The article already has enough. When I put together the article on EJay Day, I devoted more space to critical commentary, simply because there was an interesting dichotomy between him being the first contestant ever eliminated from the series and the positive reviews that he received. In the case of Verraros, the reviews are mostly negative. There's no need to spend more than one paragraph on the fact that critics criticized a ninth-place finisher.

--Jpcase (talk) 17:03, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * (October 22, 2002) "Pop Review: 'Idol' Ensemble Offers Passable Entertainment" by Rodney Ho, The Atlanta Journal Constitution - accessed through Infotrac Newsstand
 * (October 24, 2002) "Idol fantasy" by Gina Vivinetto, The St. Petersburg Times - accessed through Infotrac Newsstand
 * (October 24, 2002) "Side Show" by Sharon Fink, The St. Petersburg Times - accessed through Infotrac Newsstand
 * (October 24, 2002) ""American Idol' Concert Offers Retro Renditions" by Walt Belcher, The Tampa Tribune - accessed through Infotrac Newsstand
 * (October 25, 2002) "Most 'Idols' Shine in Sunrise Show" by Charles Passy, The Palm Beach Post - accessed through Infotrac Newsstand
 * (October 30, 2002) "Idols make grasp for stardom.(Arts and Lifestyle)" by Amy Amatangello, The Boston Herald - accessed through HighBeam
 * (November 7, 2002) "Corny "American Idols" Showcases Almost-Knowns" by Kevin C. Johnson, St. Louis Post Dispatch - accessed through Infotrac Newsstand

Red Queen Music - Sound Axis
For probably at least a decade or so, this article has asserted (without sourcing) that Unsaid and Understood was released "through the indie label Red Queen Music - Sound Axis". I haven't been able to find any sources that actually say this, although I have come across a few sources saying that Unsaid and Understood was "self-released". As far as I can tell, Red Queen Music - Sound Axis seems to be Gabe Lopez's personal production company (or record label, or whatever - I'm not really sure about the terminology). Lopez even has a song called "Red Queen", so it seems pretty clear that whatever "Red Queen Music - Sound Axis" is, it was most likely started by Lopez.

Since Lopez co-wrote many of the songs on Unsaid and Understood and also produced that album, it doesn't seem contradictory to say that Unsaid and Understood was "self-released", while also saying that it was released by "Red Queen Music - Sound Axis". But I've decided not to say anything in this article about Red Queen Music's potential involvement with Unsaid and Understood, due to the lack of available sourcing.

"Red Queen Music - Sound Axis" is still listed in this article as the distributor for Do Not Disturb though, because that can be sourced. --Jpcase (talk) 02:12, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Rollercoaster production timeline
In this article for Pride DC, Verraros says that he "started working on songs in June of 2003" and that "the record was complete in June of 2004". This doesn't quite match up with the information contained in this Windy City Times article, in which Verraros says that he "probably worked on it [the album] for a year and a half." No idea what accounts for the discrepancy between these two statements - it might have something to do with the blurry distinction between Unsaid and Understood and Rollercoaster, although if that's the case, then it's unclear what exactly happened in June 2004, since Unsaid and Understood had already been released by then, and according to the article "Sing out, Louise: OutMusic Awards show artistic maturity" (not online, but published in Bay Windows) Rollercoaster was still being worked on in late July of 2004. I've decided to write in this Wiki article that work on the album began in June 2003 and finished about a year and a half later. --Jpcase (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Looking back at this, I'm realizing that the timeline is even more muddled than I had initially realized. Two sources ("EXTREME MAKEOVER - FIRST-YEAR IDOLS NEW LOOK" from the New York Post and "Megastar status eludes even Idols" from the Baltimore Sun) say that Verraros was signed to Koch Records in August 2004. But another source ("Sing out, Louise: OutMusic Awards show artistic maturity" from Bay Windows) that was published in July 2004 says that Verraros was already working with Koch Records on Rollercoaster at the time of the article's publication. Perhaps Verraros received an offer in July, but didn't finalize all of the paperwork until August? I'm not really sure. Regardless, I've rewritten things to say that Koch began communicating with Verraros "over the summer of 2004" rather than in August of 2004. --Jpcase (talk) 23:03, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Marriage quote
I've included a quote from Verraros about his marriage to Bill Brennan in a quote box - the quote is sourced with this article from greginhollywood.com, which unfortunately, leaves it somewhat ambiguous as to whether the quote is attributed to Verraros or Brennan. Another article from the same website (seen here ) seems to confirm that the quote is from Verraros. I've used the first article as a source though, since the second article only has an abbreviated version of the quote. --Jpcase (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Unproduced films
In this interview with the Windy City Queercast, Verraros mentions two films that he was attached to, but doesn't specify the titles for either of them. One is described as a dark, LA-based romance, and the other is described as a musical set in Rio de Janeiro. This article from MTV seems to mention both films, specifying that the musical is titled Of Love and Shadows, but not giving a title for the LA-based drama. I've been able to find several other sources that mention Of Love and Shadows, but haven't been able to find anything else mentioning the other film - although I have come across this article from Pulse magazine, which mentions a gay LA-based romantic comedy that Verraros was set to do around that time, called Pizza on Sunset. It's very much possible that the dark, LA-based romantic drama and Pizza on Sunset were the same film, but there's no clear indication of that being the case. The differing descriptions suggest that these were probably different films - also, the MTV article says that the drama was set to start filming after Of Love and Shadows, while the Pulse article says that Pizza On Sunset was set to start filming before Of Love and Shadows (of course none of these films were ever actually made, so their start dates were probably pushed back a few times, before the projects were cancelled).

I've also come across some webpages suggesting that Of Love and Shadows was initially titled Butterfly, Butterfly, but I'm not sure that any of these pages could be used as sources. --Jpcase (talk) 13:07, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Most Intriguing People of 2006
The news section of jimverraros.com claims that Verraros was included on the Out 100 list a second time, in 2006. I haven't been able to find anything else online corroborating this, aside from the IMDB page for Verraros, which credits him for appearing in a video of the 2006 Out 100 - so while it's no doubt true, I won't include anything about it in this article, for lack of sourcing. If anyone can find a good reference, then please add it to the article! Thanks! --Jpcase (talk) 17:26, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Looks like the video mentioned on his IMDB page is online, so I can actually just go ahead and use that as a source. The video was uploaded to YouTube in 2008, but it was originally from 2006, which you can tell from the statements about Idol Rewind and Eating Out 2. --Jpcase (talk) 22:27, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

SpeakFreewithJB
The SpeakFreewithJB interview was conducted by Jeremy Bradley, "a syndicated newspaper columnist, radio host and author" as specified on the current version of his website. The interview took place in 2006, as indicated by Verraros' statement in the interview that filming for Eating Out 2 would be occurring that April. I'm just leaving a note about this, since neither JB's full name nor the publication date for the interview are directly stated in the source. --Jpcase (talk) 16:29, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

Early Music
I happened across an archived page from an old version of Verraros' official website, which contains four songs by Verraros that don't seem to be available to listen to anywhere else - the songs are "Ride Rough", "The Chase", "All I Am", and "All Night Long", and they can be found here. 

I can't say for sure whether or not these were included on Unsaid and Understood, since I've come across contradictory sources regarding the track list for that album - and neither of the sources would qualify as RS. This page doesn't include any of those songs on the track list for the album. A comment on this page - purportedly by a friend of Verraros - says that all four songs were included on the track list for the album. So who knows? --Jpcase (talk) 23:28, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Just came across this archived page from the Out Music Awards, which seems to suggest that the song "Ride Rough" was included on Unsaid and Understood - which in turn, would suggest that the comment from the "friend" of Verraros is the correct track listing. But it's still kind of unclear. --Jpcase (talk) 01:01, 18 May 2018 (UTC)