Talk:Jimmy Carter/Archive 6

Education
I think the article should say what college degree(s) Mr. Carter has and what field of study they were in. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 18:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a complicated one. Former President Carter was part of the class of 1931 at the Naval Academy. Prior to 1933, no degree was given to graduates. Starting in 1933, a general Bachelors of Science degree started being awarded to all graduates, and then a few years after that, it was decided that past graduates who were still living, would retroactively be given a Bachelors of Science degree. There were no specific majors until 1969. So his degree is, essentially, a general science degree. All that said, specifying it really isn't possible without a long winded explanation.
 * http://www.usna.edu/MechEngDept/history.php


 * I would not, however, consider such a degree to be of a lower quality; as far as I understand it, the curriculum was quite advanced enough to merit a bachelor's degree even before they began to award them. Raine (talk) 13:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Fix Wrong Seawolf link
"Carter was based in Schenectady, New York, and working on the nuclear propulsion system for the Seawolf submarine when he was ordered to Chalk River, joining other Canadian and American service personnel." I think the Seawolf link under the Naval Career section of the article should point to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Seawolf_(SSN-575) not the modern Seawolf Class. This is a bit confusing because Carter is apparently associated with two different Seawolf submarines (I'm not a Carter expert so someone should double check this). He apparently worked on the 1950s era USS Seawolf, but had a 2000's era Seawolf Class Submarine named after him.

intro needs revision
''recipient of the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize, the only U.S. President to have received the Prize after leaving office. ''

This seems to be original research or undue weight. He is rightly known for his Prize. However, the commentary may be something someone thought of or is not such a big fact that should be in the article. Instead, it should read "recipient of the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize." Redmondome (talk) 01:05, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Reported death on September 20, 2011 --- possible vandalism?
Is there any truth to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.118.72.160 (talk) 21:12, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say not, since he just very much alive endorsed Romney.--Louiedog (talk) 16:00, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * To save people from having to click on a link to the Reverend Moon's dissonance rag, Carter didn't endorse Romney as that article repeatedly phrases it, Carter's comment was a response to inside-baseball questions along the lines of whether Democrats should fear the presumed Republican nominee and whether his religion should be an issue, and Carter said he'd be pleased to see Romney nominated, not because he likes the guy's platform or wants to see him elected, but because it would suggest Republican primary voters had transcended religious prejudices. Abrazame (talk) 08:21, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

The National Archives Project has 833 images from the Carter presidency
Just thought I would point them out in case an editor here is interested in using some of them or in helping to categorize them, since for the most part that has not happened yet. Here is a link to a list of images: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:National_Archives_and_Records_Administration/Categorize/US_National_Archives_series:_Carter_White_House_Photographs:_Presidential,_compiled_01/20/1977_-_01/22/1981

Please feel free to ask a question if you are interested but not sure how to proceed. Thanks. Elinruby (talk) 10:03, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Pres. Carter
I had the priviledge to hear Pres. Carter teach Sunday School yesterday. The information you read here is indeed based on his character.

The one bit of information you don't show is that he and his wife lived in public housing after he returned from the Navy. They lived there for one year until he was able to earn a living. In Plains, GA, there is a plaque out front of the apartment where they lived. It is an amazing reminder to all that no matter where you come from, you can make it all the way to the President of the United States.

It truly takes a man who has worked all of his life, had a family who gave him a strong personal foundation, to make a difference in this world. He continues to make a huge difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MJCAL (talk • contribs) 01:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Lincoln came from a log cabin in to a career as a barrister, and we know he too became a President. Lincoln ended slavery, whereas Carter just caved in and wavered of the Panama Canal. Here is not saying that Carter is to blame, because I have read something about Persident Eisenhower. --85.164.220.67 (talk) 07:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting to note MJCAL. Do you have a good source for this?--Louiedog (talk) 17:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Update: I've found a source, and added it to the article.--Louiedog (talk) 17:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Personal life
A separate "Personal life" section that so many other biographical pages contain should be created. In two separate sections his family is discussed and only cursorily each time. A separate "Personal life" section could go into greater detail about his marriage and children. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.95.131.6 (talk) 08:19, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Views on Abortion
I think this could be added to the article. In a recent interview he stated that the Democratic Party should become more pro-life : "I never have believed that Jesus Christ would approve of abortions and that was one of the problems I had when I was president having to uphold Roe v. Wade and I did everything I could to minimize the need for abortions. I made it easy to adopt children for instance who were unwanted and also initiated the program called Women and Infant Children or WIC program that’s still in existence now. But except for the times when a mother’s life is in danger or when a pregnancy is caused by rape or incest I would certainly not or never have approved of any abortions.”/ “I’ve signed a public letter calling for the Democratic Party at the next convention to espouse my position on abortion which is to minimize the need, requirement for abortion and limit it only to women whose life are in danger or who are pregnant as a result of rape or incest. I think if the Democratic Party would adopt that policy that would be acceptable to a lot of people who are now estranged from our party because of the abortion issue."85.241.204.200 (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This story was added to the section Abortion, without the extensive quote, which is not allowed in Wikipedia. If people want to see the quote, they can click on the reference provided. --Skol fir (talk) 19:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Pardon of draft resistors
Ford made a conditional pardon and Carter made an unconditional pardon. This much is said in the conscription article. The Ford pardon is described on his page but there is no mention here of the Carter pardon.

It was one of his first acts as president. It is described in the draft evasion article.

108.83.178.74 (talk) 10:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC) David 31mar12

Deregulation American beer industry
This section is almost entirely incorrect.

Selling malt/hops/yeast to homebrewers was never illegal.

What Jimmy Carter passed was: (c/p from homebrewing)

Homebrewing of beer having an alcohol content higher than 0.5% remained illegal until 1978 when Congress passed a bill repealing Federal restrictions and excise taxes on the homebrewing of small amounts of beer and wine.[3] Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States, signed the bill, H.R. 1337, into law in October 1978;[5] however, the bill left individual states free to pass their own laws limiting production. http://www.byo.com/stories/article/indices/17-brewing-history/844-homebrewing-during-prohibition ~ Ninjatarian

Mary Walker & Medal of Honor
Do any Carter experts know why Jimmy Carter gave Mary Walker, a Civil War civilian contract surgeon, the Medal of Honor? It seems very bizarre. The research I've done indicates that Walker, a civilian, wanted money and a military commission for her work as a civilian during the American Civil War. To get her off their backs the US Congress gave her a Medal of Honor, since in those days it could be awarded as a political favor. (1500 Medals of Honor were handed out during the Civil War compared to only about 500 in all of WWII.) Later, Medal of Honor awards were reviewed and Walker's Medal of Honor was rescinded (along with many others) since it didn't meet the qualifications. Medals of Honor are only given to members of the military for outstanding heroism (such as diving on hand grenades, etc.). Walker, as a civilian contract surgeon, didn't qualify. Then Carter re-awarded her the Medal of Honor when he became President. Did Carter do this as a political ruse to capture the feminist vote? Was there a personal reason? Anybody know? It seems awful suspicious. Should this be included in the article? It's very curious. Thanks. ~ 2602:306:CEDF:1580:295A:1B77:961B:BC89

His Views on Citizens United case
12th Sept 2012 he remarked:- "I think the most stupid decision that the Supreme Court ever made and one of the most damaging was to rule that corporations are people and that major corporations now can give unlimited supplies of money to candidates," Carter said.

Pressed by Ingraham as to whether the ban on corporate giving should also extend to labor unions, Carter agreed, saying he'd prefer to return to the pre-Citizens United system.

"I don’t think either very wealthy people or corporations or unions. I’d like for it to go back to the way it was five or six years ago," Carter said.

I believe he was more explicit earlier I can't find that statement. I believe the Article needs updating with these and more comments. Particularly destruction of Democracy, Jimmy Carter Views of this election. --Robbygay (talk) 05:48, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

First paragraph of "Presidency" section
The first paragraph of the "Presidency" section seems less a broad overview of his tenure and more a selection of elements suggesting he was a poor and/or excessively liberal president. Putting aside that question, I think the paragraph A) verges on not being neutral and B) is too specific to be a satisfying introduction to the information that follows. MiszaBot I (talk) 02:05, 30 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aptninja (talk • contribs) 14:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Camp David accords
I was surprised that Carter's brokering of the Camp David accords gets so little mention here. Isn't it one of his greatest presidential achievements and wasn't it a first --and only-- in modern Middle Eastern history? 50.54.233.7 (talk) 22:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

WWII
He served between 1946-1953 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.167.49 (talk) 00:11, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Marriage and Family
Really? This section only has one sentence. Perhaps we could use some of the information from the Rosalynn Carter article to improve it? Tad Lincoln (talk) 06:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC) I agree. They were married on July 7, 1946 according to Mrs. Carter's page. What about their kids? 74.69.11.229 (talk) 18:49, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 20 November 2012
Add to honorary LLD, Queen's University at Kingston, 2012.

Wikiredrover (talk) 17:47, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * 🇪🇸 Vacation nine 17:53, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 December 2012
As of September 8, 2012, James Earl Carter Jr. Has lived longer after leaving office, than any other president. Surpassing Herbert Clark Hoover who lived 31 Years and 230 Days from March 4, 1933 until October 20, 1964. January 20, 2013 will mark Carter's 32nd anniversary of leaving office.

Giant Sequoia (talk) 14:32, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * 🇪🇸 Also you have not specified an exact location in the article where you would like text added or changed. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 14:56, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I too came here to request the same thing, and I note the reasons the request was refused. I think no source need be cited, as the elapsed time is an undisputed mathematical fact. I would like the paragraph added to end the text between 9. and 9.1, i.e., in "Post-Presidency" right before "Legacy." I would re-word it for clarity, style, and relevance as follows:

As of September 8, 2012, Carter has lived longer after leaving office than any other president. On that date he surpassed Herbert Hoover, who lived 31 years 230 days from March 4, 1933 until October 20, 1964. Furthermore, as was true of Hoover's post-presidency, Carter's work and achievements have made broad and deep impact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.249.196.188 (talk • contribs) 25 March 2013


 * 🇪🇸 I added the first part of your request, as after some consideration this is worthwhile to include, and ordinary mathematical calculations do not require sources. However, I did not include the "surpassed Hoover" portion as it is excessive trivia as worded, nor did I include the "broad and deep impact" statement as it is uncited editorializing. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Billy Carter
President Carter's two sisters are recognized as deceased, but his brother Billy, who is also deceased, is not. This should be corrected. 71.176.199.96 (talk) 05:53, 26 December 2012 (UTC) treplag

awards section
Article should link "Delta Prize for Global Understanding" since that article exists, and is awarded by UGA and Delta Air Lines (not Airlines). I will return to correct this when I become autoconfirmed --Above others (talk) 04:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Foreign policy
The "Presidency" section on this article covers Carter's presidency in a sporadic fashion, giving no emphasis or context as to which events in his presidency are most important, and there is very little coverage of foreign policy. Two important matters (the Iran hostage crisis and the Camp David Accords) receive only passing mentions. They are covered in Presidency of Jimmy Carter, and they deserve sub-headings in this article because they are such important events. On a related note, in the legacy sub-heading, there is a shameless plug for a relatively minor documentary called Back Door Channels: The Price of Peace. My opinion is that it should be removed because of its insignificance and insufficient relation to the subject matter of this article.~DG (talk) 09:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Abortion
Old text: He said that it had been difficult it was for him, given his strong beliefs, to uphold Roe v. Wade while he was president. New Text:  He said that it had been difficult for him, given his strong beliefs, to uphold Roe v. Wade while he was president. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.116.140 (talk) 14:36, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Citation does not mention nuclear physics education
The reference to www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/transcript/carter-transcript/ makes no mention of graduate (or undergraduate work) in physics. In fact it does not even contain the word "physics". The citation should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.135.57 (talk) 11:02, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

False Claim Regarding WIC Noted
Jimmy Carter is quoted as claiming credit for the establishment of WIC. The accuracy of the quote needs to be checked, because WIC was created in 1972. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIC#History If the quote is accurate, then Jimmy Carter needs to be exposed as a liar, or else he will be claiming to have invented the peanut or perhaps the Internet.John Paul Parks (talk) 13:22, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Jimmy Carter, Robert Carter and June Cash Carter
http://genforum.genealogy.com/knight/messages/9301.html

This website sais, that DNA tests proved, that Jimmy Carter, Robert Carter and June Carter Cash are from three different Carter families, so it's wrong to say, that Jimmy Carter is related to June Carter Cash.

84.118.128.98 (talk) 14:32, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Editsemiprotected
"The election involved fraudulent voting" appears in the state senate section. Please replace it with "The initial results showed Carter losing, but this was the result of fraudulent voting", because the current wording makes it sound as if Carter was involved in fraud; you have to read more before you realize that he suffered from it. 2001:18E8:2:1020:2DD4:C6E0:8CE4:DBDA (talk) 16:10, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for catching that.--JayJasper (talk) 20:07, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2013
Under criticisms of the Obama administration, I find:

"Carter has criticized the Obama administration for their use of drone strikes against suspected terrorists."

No comment about the contents, but please use "its" (or "the") in place of "their", because "adminstration" is singular, not plural.

128.63.16.20 (talk) 18:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Seems an appropriate change since this article is about a US topic and, thus, should be written with American grammar. Acalamari 18:44, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2013
There are a couple of things I'd like to point out in the section about the 2012 Presidential race

I find:

"In the Republican party 2012 Presidential primary, Carter endorsed former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in mid-September, not because he supported Romney, but because he felt Obama's re-election bid would be strengthened in a race against Romney. Carter added that he thought Mitt Romney would lose in a match up against Obama and that he supported the president's re-election."

Try starting that paragraph with "Despite being a Democrat, Carter endorsed former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney in the Republican party 2012 Presidential primary in mid-September, ..." Also, please specify where that primary was. I do not recall hearing of this story (maybe because I reduced my reading about partisan politics?), and I am reminded that in 1972 it was desirable for President Nixon to have the weakest possible opponent (presumably the eventual opposing nominee, George McGovern). And then I find:

"Carter addressed the gathering in North Carolina by videotape, and did not attend the convention in person."

Please specify that that was the Democratic convention (i.e., change "gathering" to "Democratic convention"), since we just mentioned his endorsement of a Republican.

128.63.16.20 (talk) 18:49, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅. I did not add the location of the Republican convention, as his endorsement didn't take place at the convention, but beforehand.  If one wants to know where the convention took place, one should follow the wikilinks.  I don't find it relevant to the topic (Carter).  thanks!    78.26   (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

In the 1st paragraph, it referred to "Republican ... primary", not that party's convention, so consider further clarification as to what was going on on the Republican side in September. Primaries would be earlier in the year, right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.20 (talk) 19:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, I believe the confusion is that Carter made these comments in 2011, not 2012. This is before the first caucuses.  His making comments in 2012 would not have made sense, as that would have been after the Republican convention.  Suggestions for verbiage clarification?    78.26   (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 19:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Edit request: Conservation award
To "Honors and awards" section, please add the following:

Audubon Medal, National Audubon Society, 1994

38.136.24.2 (talk) 14:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done Sam Sailor Sing 09:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

"America no longer has a functioning democracy" - July 16, 2013
German magazine Der Spiegel quoted Jimmy Carter speaking at a closed-door event of the Atlantik-Brücke in Atlanta: “America does not have a functioning democracy at this point in time”.


 * source: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/nsa-affaere-jimmy-carter-kritisiert-usa-a-911589.html


 * the original German: "Der ehemalige US-Präsident Jimmy Carter hat im Nachgang des NSA-Spähskandals das amerikanische politische System heftig kritisiert. "Amerika hat derzeit keine funktionierende Demokratie", sagte Carter am Dienstag bei einer Veranstaltung der "Atlantik-Brücke" in Atlanta." | --91.10.8.184 (talk) 07:47, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

"América ya no funciona como democracia" Jimmy Carter, El Sol de Santurce70.115.171.96 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Carter is more fluent than I thought in German and Spanish. How's his Chinese? Rjensen (talk) 05:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2014
In the second paragraph, it is stated that Mr. Carter escalated the "Coal War." I believe this should read "Cold War." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmundbach (talk • contribs) 18:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Already done KiloByte (talk) 00:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected Edit Request of August 11, 2014.
The sentence "The painstaking process required each team member, including Carter, to don protective gear, and be lowered individually into the reactor to disassembly it for minutes at a time." should read "disassemble" for "disassembly." The placement of in the sentence indicates that the word following "to" should be a verb, whereas "disassembly" is a noun. Let's please fix this. B77002 (talk) 08:08, 11 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Already done KiloByte (talk) 00:33, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2015
Jimmy Carter is not related to June Carter Cash as previously believed. DNA shows this, and both have ancestors named Thomas Carter, but not the same Thomas Carter. Source: http://genforum.genealogy.com/carter/messages/20778.html

Tgramful (talk) 15:29, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is not a WP:RS, it's a single anonymous post on some sort of genealogy enthusiast forum Cannolis (talk) 15:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

In view of current events, it appears that the section on Apartheid should be updated. The newly reelected prime minister of Israel seems to have shot down the two nation solution. I doubt that he intends to give Palestinians full citizenship. It appears that Apartheid is with us for so time, if not permanently. 73.149.116.253 (talk) 15:43, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Refimprove template
There are dozens of the sentences without references or have citation needed tags. Should a refimprove template be added? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 03:52, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia must never be a mouthpiece of the Department of Propaganda for any person, company, country, etc.
Wikipedia should never spin stuff. It is very common to see this in Wikipedia.

They said Carter has a excellent chance of recovery from the surgery. Yeah, the biopsy site will heal. But that is spin. It is possible that President Carter has a very dismal chance of survival and that he will not see the end of 2016 except from the cemetery plot.

''After undergoing treatment and elective surgery earlier in August 2015 to remove "a small mass" on his liver, it was discovered by Carter's doctors that the cancer has spread elsewhere in his body. A Carter spokesperson previously stated that the prognosis for a full recovery from the surgery was "excellent".[179] It was not made clear at the time of Carter's announcement where the cancer had originated.[180] Carter's family, including his father, mother, brother and two sisters, has a history of pancreatic cancer.[181]''

I am fixing this. No names left!! abcd (talk) 17:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

''On August 12, 2015, Carter announced he had been diagnosed with cancer. He has metastatic cancer but it is uncertain whether cancer originated in his liver or had spread to his liver. [179] The former president's healthcare is being managed by Emory Healthcare of Atlanta, Georgia.[180]''

Carter's family, including his father, mother, brother and two sisters, has a history of pancreatic cancer,[181] which increases his risk of the same disease. — Preceding unsigned comment added by No names left!! abcd (talk • contribs) 17:11, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

I think the above is better than below, which is better than the one at the very beginning of this thread.

''After undergoing treatment and elective surgery earlier in August 2015 to remove "a small mass" on his liver, it was discovered by Carter's doctors that the cancer has spread elsewhere in his body and that the initial statements were just political spin. A Carter spokesperson previously stated that the prognosis for a full recovery from the surgery was "excellent",[179] but this is spin because metastatic liver cancer is certainly not excellent. If it is excellent, I want it. It was not made clear at the time of Carter's announcement where the cancer had originated.[180] Carter's family, including his father, mother, brother and two sisters, has a history of pancreatic cancer[181] but this could be irrelevant because if your family has pancreatic cancer, you can still have other cancer and not get pancreatic cancer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by No names left!! abcd (talk • contribs) 17:14, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * What you removed and changed has been restored. Please discuss why you believe your changes are improvements, rather than accusing and removing sourced, NPOV content.  Also, you did not include a source for "metastatic".  And, yes, his spokesperson prior to the surgery did say his recovery chances were excellent - as the attached reference shows.  Per WP:BRD, it's now your turn.  -- WV ● ✉ ✓  17:29, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for telling me it's my turn. In seconds, I will add a reference to show it is metastatic cancer...it's in the title of the page. I will also add a reference about the pancreatic cancer part because the way it is now, it is not clear what the relevance is.


 * Wikipedia is against falsehoods and spin or should be. This is a reference that shows that metastatic cancer is bad, not excellent. It is CBS News.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-factors-may-affect-jimmy-carters-cancer-treatment/ The first task is to determine whether the cancer is curable, "which is unlikely with metastatic cancer," or if it is possible to meaningfully prolong the life through surgery or other treatments, The fact that the cancer has already spread is worrisome. "In general, metastatic cancer - that is, cancer that has spread - is not curable," CBS News medical contributor Dr. David Agus, head of the Westside Cancer Center at the University of Southern California, said Thursday on "CBS This Morning."No names left!! abcd (talk) 19:25, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * We just go by what's verifiable information. He says he has cancer, and will undergo treatment. We're not his doctors, we don't know his prognosis. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * , it has come to my attention that this is a WP:DFTT and WP:NOTHERE situation. -- WV ● ✉ ✓  19:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

But we know it is metastatic so refusing to say so is bowing down to the Department of Propaganda. Also it is bowing down to the Department of Propaganda to say the prognosis is excellent. Note that North Korea claims it is a democracy so it is......really????? Use some sense to not report propaganda but use reliable sources, not fake claims by the subject himself or their helpers. No names left!! abcd (talk) 19:46, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * It says the cancer has spread, that's the same thing. The article just says what we know, which is that a spokesperson says his recovery from surgery should be fine. That doesn't say it'll remove all of the cancer. Of all the things to be claiming are propaganda, this? Just leave it be until we learn more next week. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Please correct biased wording on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
"Israeli defense against Palestinian insurgence" is factually wrong and politically biased. Carter is a critic of Israel's *occupation* of Palestine. You can argue about whether the occupied region should be referred to as "Palestine", or "West Bank and Gaza", or in some other way. You can't really argue against the fact that this is a military occupation, and should be referred to using the explicit term "occupation". Israel's own Supreme Court recognizes it as such, the region is officially under military rule, and Israel never fully annexed, not even unilaterally, the territories in question. "Insurgence" is just factually incorrect, as the actions are based in an occupied territory, only rarely "leaking" into lands that are part of Israel's sovereign territory, even on Israel's own official account. "Defense" is also factually incorrect, and mostly reflects a clear pro-Israeli political stance. Nobody who's not a pro-Israeli propagandist would seriously consider Israel's actions in the conflict to be purely defensive.

In short, since the entry is not directly editable, so far as I could observe, please correct it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.210.187.246 (talk) 21:54, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I came to this article to add material regarding Carter's recent cancer diagnosis. The objection you have to the wording in the fourth paragraph in the lede seems valid to me as a violation of WP:NPOV. Because of the diagnosis, this article will be undergoing a higher level of readership and while I am tempted to make changes at once, I will await other views on what is a contentious and emotionally charged topic. Jus  da  fax   22:09, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

The language "Israeli defense against Palestinian insurgence" seems remarkably biased to me as well. "Israel's treatment of Palestinians" would be more neutral, and a more accurate description of Carter's position. 65.82.136.2 (talk) 20:49, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Carter's Rank in US Navy
The article says that Carter was a first lieutenant in the US Navy. The Navy has no such rank, but does have the ranks of lieutenant junior grade and lieutenant. 98.30.91.17 (talk) 21:28, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Fixed. Good catch.  Thank you.  -- WV ● ✉ ✓  21:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Jimmy Carter and Israel-Palestine
There is an occupation in the Palestinian territories. Carter opposes the Israeli occupation not the "Israeli defence against the Palestinian insurgency".--Opdire657 (talk) 13:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * A Brutally Frank Jimmy Carter Calls Out Israel on Permanent Apartheid
 * Israeli leaders don’t meet with Jimmy Carter during Middle East visit

Paragraphs should have related information.
''On August 3, 2015, Carter underwent elective surgery to remove "a small mass" on his liver, and his prognosis for a full recovery was initially said to be "excellent". On August 12, however, Carter announced he had been diagnosed with cancer that had spread elsewhere in his body, without specifying where the cancer had originated.[179][180] The former president has an extensive family history of pancreatic cancer, including both of his parents and all three of his siblings.[181] His healthcare is being managed by Emory Healthcare of Atlanta, Georgia.[179] ''

I moved the bolded sentence to a separate paragraph because there are no references to say they are related.

It would be like writing "Carter negotiated to free the hostages in Iran. He also sent a rescue mission. Iran manufacturers paper plates. A second rescue mission was planned but not performed."

Iran manufacturing paper plates has nothing to do with the paragraph except the word "Iran" much as the top paragraph has only the common word "cancer". Of course, we could change this if it is found that Carter has pancreatic cancer that spread to the liver or if Iranian paper plate manufacturers kept the hostages in their warehouses and were the target for the 2nd rescue mission.

No names left!! abcd (talk) 19:04, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Your reasoning, from what I can tell, is a made-up, personal feeling and not based on policy. At this point, you are just edit warring and being disruptive.  Please stop. -- WV ● ✉ ✓  19:11, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I have consulted the Wikipedia article for Paragraph and it states "A paragraph (from the Ancient Greek παράγραφος paragraphos, "to write beside" or "written beside") is a self-contained unit of a discourse in writing dealing with a particular point or idea."


 * Carter's family history of pancreatic cancer has nothing to do with his liver cancer. If it does, I have not found a reliable source for it. Therefore, your are not basing your statements on policy and, to quote you, "At this point, you are just edit warring and being disruptive.  Please stop" WV.  My personal feeling is that if Wikipedia wants to be an amateurish bag of clowns thinking they are scholarly encyclopedic writers, they can, but it is better is we actually write scholarly stuff and not make amateur-like errors. That is why I fixed it. No names left!! abcd (talk) 23:02, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles aren't policy. There is no policy regarding paragraphs having to meet certain criteria and then they must be split.  -- WV ● ✉ ✓  23:27, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * When your reasoning is shown to be faulty, you change your reasoning to say that "Wikipedia articles aren't policy". Your accusations of me aren't policy either, just you picking on me even though my edits have very good thought behind it. Please stop harassing me. Thank you. No names left!! abcd (talk) 16:37, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Clarification for your benefit: Wikipedia articles giving the definition of a word is not Wikipedia policy, it is not a Wikipedia guideline. Pulling an article out to make a point means nothing. The only thing shown to be faulty here is your understanding of what Wikipedia editing truly is to be about and how one goes about it. No one is harassing you. If you truly think you are being stalked and harassed, feel free to take your complaints to an administrator's noticeboard. Making such accusations and complaints at an article's talk page is not appropriate. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:25, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please do not edit war. However, I can go along with your new decision to remove the pancreatic cancer sentence because it has, as of now, nothing to do with his liver cancer. Thank you. No names left!! abcd (talk) 20:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Please correct the glaring factual error about he 1966 and 1977 governors races
He obviously didn't run in an election that didn't exist in 1977 a especially since he was already president... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkamensek (talk • contribs) 03:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

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Probably just a typo...the sub-heading "1966 and 1977 campaigns for governor" should be "1966 and 1970 campaigns for governor"

Ratiocn8 (talk) 09:19, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Thank you.  Calidum   11:54, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

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No mention of the UFO incident in main article?
Seems odd;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_UFO_incident — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.27.210 (talk) 13:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Loss in reelection bid
The article states "Carter was the first elected president since Hoover in 1932 to lose a reelection bid." However, Truman tried to get reelected in 1952: he participated in the New Hampshire primary, and dropped out after losing it. This was a clear "reelection bid" even if Truman did not manage to reach the general election in November. KarlFrei (talk) 14:54, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Critical of Obama
The sentence that states Carter is "critical of Obama's decision not to close Guantanamo Bay" should not be stated that way. Especially not without citation. President Obama, according to most accounts, has made no such "decision". There is a lot of debate about whether or not is possible to close the detention center and further debate about who does and does not want it closed. Secondly, I think this matter should be discussed amid Carter's criticism of all other Presidents. This current structure creates the false narrative that Carter is only critical of President Obama and therefore approves of all other fellow Presidents. 2601:244:8302:6A00:B158:534F:80C1:4542 (talk) 11:21, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2015
In the Military Career section, it says, " There, a distinguished naval career with the potential of promotion to admiral awaited him."

I suggest changing this to " There, a promising naval career awaited him. "

Why say he was looking at a distinguished military career and potential promotion to Admiral? That seems like fanboi talk. He was a junior officer with only seven years of service when he separated, and despite graduating high school in 1941, he did not fight in WWII. No mention of Korean War experience, so he might have missed that one, too. For officers of his age in that era, WWII or Korean War experience would have been critically important to a career.

"promising", I agree. Especially since he was an academy grad. :)


 * Good point. I changed it. 05:51, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

"Critical of Israel"
In the introduction it said that Carter "is highly critical of Israel's defense against the Palestinian insurgency in their decades-old conflict with the self declared State of Palestine." To me that sentence seems too pro-Israel; it comes across to me as saying, "Israel has every right in the world to be doing what they are doing but Carter criticizes them for it anyways", which is not an appropriate tone for an encyclopedia. So I changed it to Carter "is critical of some of Israel's policies and actions in regards to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict." A sentence which I think is much more neutral. Karrmann (talk) 07:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

please fix reference to George H W Bush contributing to the rise in his reputation
In the Public Image and Legacy section, under Public Opinion, the last sentence is "His post-Presidency activities have been favorably received. Carter believes that George H. W. Bush, who actively sought him out and was far more courteous and interested in his advice than Reagan, contributed to the rise in his reputation.[187]"

The linked reference does not seem to mention Bush, whereas the current 197 and, even more so, the current 192 do mention Bush's support, though neither actually states that Carter believes this contributed to the rise in his reputation. The reference 192 mentions an interview. I therefore do not know which reference was meant to support the sentence mentioned above, but it would seem to be one I have not found yet.

Stone in shoe (talk) 19:19, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Camp David Accords?
The high point of Carter's presidency was negotiating a peace deal (Camp David Accords) between Egypt and Israel, yet neither Sadat nor Begin is even mentioned in this article (except Sadat in a unrelated footnote), and they both shared the Nobel Peace Prize for the accomplishments of that lengthy summit, moderated and made possible by Carter. This seems like writing the article for Eisenhower and briefly mentioning he was in charge on D-Day. The Camp David deal cost Sadat his life, but the peace has been intact ever since the deal was signed. That's huge, and I marvel that it hasn't been given more than a brief mention. (Even Sadat's comments at a press conference during the Camp David Summit, wishing Carter a quick recovery from his hemorrhoid surgery, that alone warrants a place in history! Carter was the only US president to undergo surgery while in office.) Seriously though, I am assuming there is a reason such a huge accomplishment, the capstone of his presidency, has not been given coverage here. A lot of people thought that he also should have shared in the 1978 Nobel Peace Prize for bringing those two warring parties together. Carter himself describes it as his greatest accomplishment as president. So, is there a reason? Dcs002 (talk) 05:58, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2015
I don't really need edit privileges for this page. I'd just like to point out that I was reading this page today on 12/6/15 and under the section on President Carter's cancer diagnosis it says that in a statement made on December 12, 2015 Carter announced that he no longer had cancer. Obviously this hasn't happened yet and should be removed from the page since it is inaccurate.

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 * Yes check.svg Done Stickee (talk) 05:10, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

"Africa" diplomacy
Why is the bit about his trip to Ireland under the "Africa" section? 76.99.201.202 (talk) 00:16, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Why is his name prefixed with the title "the honorable" in the box on the right?
Other living presidents don't have the title prefix above their name. He's certainly entitled to use it, but does he actually? Shouldn't this be consistent among ex-presidents? Zacacox (talk) 07:34, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * -- Another contributor, CatcherStorm, has recently been adding this prefix to the infoboxes of former Congressmen, Senators, Presidents, etc. It's been reverted on some pages, but not all.


 * Billmckern (talk) 15:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit request on June 1 2016
Within the "religion"-section of the "Personal life"-section, the same source (https://web.archive.org/web/20080403235748/http://mbcplains.com/index.php/sunday-school/) is cited twice for the same claim (the "From a young age, Carter showed a deep commitment to Christianity. He teaches Sunday school and is a deacon at the Maranatha Baptist Church in his hometown of Plains"-claim). Isn't that redundant? Shouldn't one of them be removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.111.69.45 (talk) 17:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Herber Hoover and longest-retired president
The section currently reads "With his 35-year post-presidency, Carter is the longest-retired president in American history, breaking the record previously held by Herbert Hoover in 2012." which is badly worded and somewhat confusing.

Recommended rewording to be: In 2012, marking his 35-year post-presidency, Carter became the longest-retired president in American history, breaking the record previously held by Herbert Hoover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wesmoc (talk • contribs) 14:32, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Resigning his commission or honorable "discharge"?
"Carter was honorably discharged from the Navy on October 9, 1953".

Commissioned officers back then, as now, either they resigned their commission (or were kicked out or passed over for promotion). Are there any sources that merely say that he transferred from the ("regular") Navy, directly to the Navy Reserve. I find that the most likely scenario. 46.212.223.93 (talk) 16:13, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Camp David
A reader wrote to Wikimedia (ticket:2016061910000414 ) expressing surprise that the peace treaty between Egypt and Israel (Camp David agreement) did not get more prominence. Some believe it is the signature accomplishment of the presidency, yet is barely mentioned in the long article and, unless I missed it, is not mentioned (except possibly obliquely "conduct peace negotiations" in the lead.

I note another editor has made this point on this page: Talk:Jimmy_Carter

Can we have some discussion about whether this accomplishment deserves more prominence in the article?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  20:30, 19 June 2016 (UTC)


 * The accomplishment deserves more prominence. 46.212.223.93 (talk) 16:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Academy major
The section "Naval Career" should say what major he received his Bachelor of Science in. Loraof (talk) 20:20, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Cancer
Is a full paragraph about his cancer illness really necessary in the introduction of a former United States President? I don't think so, but I don't want to interfere here. --Clibenfoart (talk) 21:19, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Nuclear training -- substantial oddities bear an explanation not shown here
Several things immediately jump out at me that make no sense whatsoever on Carter's alleged path as described in this article:


 * The claim that Carter was sent to Chalk River with no nuclear training whatsoever...and yet he is described as being "in charge" of a maintenance crew for a reactor accident clean-up? This is simply absurd by today's or yesterday's standards of training under Admiral Rickover.
 * The claim that Carter left the Navy in October...because of his father's death in July. The Navy's Nuclear Power School (NPS) -- the book-based training prior to land-based nuclear prototype training -- is six months long, and Carter reported to NPS in March.  Far more plausible:  like very many that undergo this exceptionally demanding training (12 hrs/day required minimum studies, with that being insufficient for many), it is quite likely that Carter did not pass this initial phase of nuclear propulsion training (which would have ended with Pass/Fail status established for all in his class in September)...and thus, with diesel boats being retired and phased-out by nuclear submarines, elected to resign his commission...and return home to pick up his family business the following month, i.e., October. [P.S. Not to be in any way callous of Carter's loss, I don't know that anyone could pass the NPS coursework after sustaining such an unwelcome & depressing event such as the loss of a parent; there simply isn't time to recover, and NPS does not "recycle" such students...they are simply dismissed from the program.]
 * The claim that Carter was assigned to USS Seawolf at KAPL. Another absurdity, as there are *no* submarines at this land-locked facility or its counterparts. Instead, it is most clearly certain that Carter spent some amount of time at the uniquely liquid-metal cooled prototype reactor for the actual USS Seawolf (a program which as it happens was later scrapped).

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Iran hostage crisis
Jimmy Carter traveled to Iran in 1977 but under the photo of Jimmy Carter and former Shah of Iran was mistakenly written 1978. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saman.kh (talk • contribs) 08:23, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Fixed.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 08:58, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Info box error
Carter's info box presently says that he died the day he was born, at age 92. This is quite obviously not the case, as he is still alive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmorop (talk • contribs) 06:02, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2016
Jimmy carter isn't dead! Remove death date!

Schockergd (talk) 06:03, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2016
Is Jimmy Carter dead? Looks like vandalism to me

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Lack of Educational Information?
I by no means edit wikipedia articles regularly, but there is a stunning lack of information on Carter's educational background, or a mention of something like his honorary degree from Emory (see http://provost.emory.edu/awards/professors/university.html). Should this perhaps be included?

71.11.113.213 (talk) 03:27, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I disagree. The article has good coverage of his high school and college years (see text at notes 4-5-6-7).  Honorary degrees are devices to bring a famous person to campus for free--they are not part of Carter's education. Rjensen (talk) 03:36, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Unclear sentence
The following sentence in the article is not clear. It seems to be parts of two separate incomplete sentences which have been run together. I don't see what the part of the sentence starting with "Reagan's" has to do with the first part of the sentence.

"What many people believed to be Carter's personal attention to detail, his pessimistic attitude, his seeming indecisiveness and weakness with people were accentuated in contrast to what many people believed, Reagan's charismatic charm and delegation of tasks to subordinates." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.106.59.48 (talk) 06:03, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

"He is the only interviewee of Playboy to become US president.[58]"
Will soon be false.

http://www.playboy.com/articles/playboy-interview-donald-trump-1990
 * Yes, and then the statement can be amended.  freshacconci  talk to me  11:40, 21 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I think it's becoming much more of a trivial point. Two Presidents having done something is less unique. Also Playboy's relevance has significantly waned. His actual quote to playboy may warrant inclusion, but I would think it would need better context. Was there any public reaction to his comments to Playboy? If there was no major response or outcry, it's probably a point that no longer needs to be included in the article. It's likely more relevant now to a Playboy article than to this one. Knope7 (talk) 01:21, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Carter's interview with Playboy was fairly controversial at the time, and it is not unreasonable to think that the decrease in support he faced from evangelicals is a contributing factor as to why he won a slim victory instead of the landslide which he was projected to have in the months prior.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 21:36, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I think this morphs into something other than saying he is one of two Presidents to give an interview to Playboy, which on its own is trivial. If others agree that his interview was that significant, than surely reliable sources wrote about the effect of the interview on his campaign. The 1976 election also has its own article so it's possible this is even a point better discussed there. I'd be fine with it being discussed either place, if it is reliably sourced and written to explain its actual significance. Knope7 (talk) 01:53, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Van Jones married to his grandniece?
I removed poorly sourced material claiming that Van Jones' wife is the grandniece of Jimmy Carter. I tried finding better sources for this claim but could not. It is possibly true or it is possible that Jones' wife and the former President's grandniece share the same name. If someone can find a better source for this claim, please feel free to restore the claim. SueDonem (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2017
Continuity of Government Commission. "Preserving Our Institutions: The First Report of the Continuity of Government Commission." The Brookings Institution. http://www. brookings. edu/research/reports/2003/05/governance-continuity-ofgovernment (accessed January 14, 2012). This is a citation for "Carter served as Honorary Chair for the Continuity of Government Commission from 2003 to 2011 (he was co-chair with Gerald Ford until the latter's death). The Commission recommended improvements to continuity of government measures for the federal government." We found the citation needed tag while doing a project through 1ref1lib.

Thank you. Jeffmartine (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
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Deregulation
The section needs expansion. Deregulation of trucking and oil and gas also happened under Carter, and both had profound effects. Nicmart (talk) 16:27, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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 * In a televised speech, he announced sanctions on the Soviet Union, promised renewed aid to Pakistan, and committed the U.S. to the Persian Gulf's defense.

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Carter's Children
Is there a reason that all of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter's children and grandchildren aren't named in this article? I recommend something like this, if it isn't objected to by the former President and his family


 * Instead of manually making a WikiTable you can use the Template:Children in the future. I also don't know if it is appropriate to name grandchildren. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 14:52, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Length
Per SIZERULE, this article is too big. There's 128 kb of "readable prose" on the page, while the guideline indicates that there shouldn't be more than 100kb. Imo, the post-presidency and especially the personal views section should be shortened and possibly spun off into a new article. Spin-off articles aren't always a good idea but I think in Carter's case a post-presidency article could make sense. Thoughts? Orser67 (talk) 02:29, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually I'm wrong, there's only 77 kb of "readable prose", but I still think this article could be shortened, possibly by spinning off an article on Carter's post-presidency. Clinton has a similar article. Orser67 (talk) 05:42, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I have no objections to spinning-off the post-presidency stuff. There is certainly content to make a separate article. Streamlining the post-presidency here might also help nudge this article closer to Good Article Status if the article scope is more manageable. It would be nice to see this and George H.W. Bush get back to that level. Knope7 (talk) 03:14, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2017
The first sentence of the second paragraph is wrong. It says, "After graduating from high school, Carter joined the United States Navy and served on nuclear submarines." Carter did served on diesel submarines but was still in nuclear power training when he resigned his commission after his father died. This is accurately recorded in the section on his Naval career.

Recommend changing to read, "After graduating from high school, Carter joined the United States Navy and served on submarines." 192.189.187.109 (talk) 20:47, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
 * That seems reasonable, given articles like this. Simply removing the word "nuclear" as you suggest fixes the issue. For further verification -- I see that the USS Nautilus, the first nuclear submarine, wasn't launched until 1954, and the Seawolf (mentioned in this article) was launched in 1955. Since Carter left the Navy in 1953, that does pretty much show he couldn't have actually served on a nuclear submarine, though he may have been involved in the program. Omnedon (talk) 21:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Citing the Onion
Seriously? The source of Carter giving up his peanut farm is from *the Onion* ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.98.201 (talk) 15:54, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

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no Criticsm
As Carter is accused of supporting anti-smetism terrorism and human right violators like Cuba, why no criticism on page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.22.177.195 (talk) 18:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Same-sex marriage views
In an article about Jimmy Carter's views on different subjects, why is there a paragraph about Franklin Graham? None of the other brief mentions of Carter's views came with any rebuttal. And his view on what he thinks Jesus would believe, he says explicitly, is just his opinion. So why do we care what Franklin Graham thinks about Carter's opinion? Spiderboy12 (talk) 00:05, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Missing information
Two pieces of missing information from this article- all the work Carter has done through the Carter Foundation. The Guinea worm isn’t even mentioned in his life story. You have to go to the article Carter Foundation to find information about this, I think that is gravely wrong. Also I wondered how come he was not drafted to fight in WW II even though he was in the naval academy Laurenfarber (talk) 18:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Edit request
The section on his 2nd Presidential Campaign says something like ... were a frequency of Carter's press conferences... which is incorrect English. Please fix it. (something along the lines of ...questions...were asked frequently during Carter's press conferences...". Another thing which I view as glaring is the omission of the exchange (I think it was during his 2nd campaign, but may have preceded it.) between him and a questioner (might have been in his Debate w/Reagan, IDK) about Russia's treaty violations. It was televised and when asked about it, his face took on a hurt or puzzled "deer in the headlights" expression and he said something like "The Russians lied to me." as if he expected our enemies to be truthful. Anecdotally, this was a pivotal blunder and has persuaded me that there is such a thing as being too honest (or naive) for the job. I don't expect this to reflect my impressions, but I suspect a very large number of voters were as shocked by his admission of dangerous naivete as I was. I know it was reported on, but I don't know if there's any evidence that it was significant to his losing, although I suspect it was.72.16.99.93 (talk) 03:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

March 11, 2019 (please check to see if this date is correct)
I think this article needs some reference to March 11, 2019 because it's the date when Carter will surpass Bush. Any corrections?? Georgia guy (talk) 12:38, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Going by List of presidents of the United States by age, Carter would have to live another 110 days from today, December 1, to equal Bush 41. That would bring it to March 21, 2019, not March 11. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:28, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
 * 3/21/19 matches my math. I thought about noting that date but decided to wait. Carter seems less frail than Bush Sr., but has some health problems ... . GeeBee60 (talk) 06:37, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2019
2001:1970:5E20:3C00:8DEE:2E69:AA01:B83 (talk) 03:32, 30 January 2019 (UTC)carter born in a barn
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 04:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2019
your Jyhyim (talk) 02:37, 31 January 2019 (UTC) mine
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 03:34, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2019
The sentence "Carter could become the oldest former living president ever" violates adjectival order. The adjective order in this sentence implies that Carter was formerly living. The less ambiguous sentence would be "Carter could become the oldest living former president ever". Standard adjective order in English is Quantity->Quality/opinion->Size->Age->Shape->Color->Proper Adjective->Purpose/Qualifier. You want both "living" and "former" to be qualifiers. The current adjective order makes it possible for "former" to be things other than just a qualifier. 2604:6000:130A:CC87:B982:3C3F:A501:514D (talk) 21:15, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thank you for the suggestion! &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 21:43, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Presidential politics
Does "I hope you run for president" fail the noteworthiness test? The Hill Tony85poon (talk) 03:52, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Maybe not if it were an actual endorsement but as far as I can tell this was just Carter being polite. 38.68.203.42 (talk) 10:24, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources. Tony85poon (talk) 03:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * The edit in question reads "In January 2019, Carter hoped Cory Booker run for president." Not only is it ungrammatical, but the underlying statement by President Carter falls far short of an endorsement and would fail to be notable enough to include in an encyclopedia article about Senator Booker, much less one about President Carter.  Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a Facebook page where one updates the "latest news" about a person (such as whether he was spotted at an area restaurant or whether he gave a "Like" to someone else's Facebook post).  AuH2ORepublican (talk) 11:32, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Exclude. It was news when it was unclear whether Booker would run or not. But that didn't make it encyclopedic. Now that Booker is running, it's neither news or encyclopedic. R2 (bleep) 23:21, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Exclude I don't think it was particularly newsworthy at the time. Definitely no WP:LASTING impact. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:33, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Note. was blocked by  for edit warring. &#8211;  MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 00:24, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * was blocked as a sock of Tony85poon. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/13/jimmy-carter-trump-1207385 Tony85poon (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah so what's the procedure? Can we WP:SNOW or procedural close all of these RfCs now that Tony is a blocked sockpuppeteer? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't speak for all, but I am at least removing the RfC tag on this one. I'd just let other uninvolved decide the rest. No formal close should be needed, though. &#8211; MJL &thinsp;‐Talk‐☖ 04:49, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine anyone would object to that. – Muboshgu (talk) 04:55, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

171 or 172?
I searched for a cite to add for the longevity record edits here (et seq.) and here, but the media seem to disagree with our calculations (e.g. the AJC).

According to, Bush was 94 years, 193 days at death, which seems to agree with sources as being the record. The same calculation method for Carter's age as of March 21,, yields 94 years, 193 days (a tie), different than the several sources that are claiming a new record today at 94 years, 172 days. The AJC addressed it in this way: "There is some debate about whether he reaches that historic milestone Thursday or Friday. Based only on the hour of Bush’s death, Carter would surpass him after 10 p.m. Thursday. Carter’s 172nd day is Friday, but Bush died during the 171st day."

To me, the correct calculation, if introducing time into it, relies on the time of death and the time of birth. If, for example, Bush were born at 1924-06-12T04:00 and died at 2018-11-30T22:00, he would have completed 94 years plus 171 days at 2018-11-30T04:00, and died aged 94 years plus 171.75 days old at 2018-11-30T22:00, during his 172nd day. If Bush were born after 22:00 (or whatever the exact time of death was), he would not have completed the 170th day, dying during the 171st day. Similarly, at his hour of birth on 2019-03-21, Carter will have completed 94 years plus 171 days and start the 172nd day.

So, given the unpublished exact times of birth and death, the calculations should be consistent with each other and ignore the times, and not use a different method for the two calculations (like the AJC and others have). Explaining the discrepancy among the source and with our correct calculation at Jimmy Carter, George H. W. Bush, Death and state funeral of George H. W. Bush, etc. would seem to devote UNDUE space to the issue. I realize this is on the edge of WP:OR, but it seems we should not just blindly follow the sources in such a case without discussing/commenting when they may be "wrong".

—[ Alan M 1 (talk) ]— 17:26, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Friday / 172 is fine for me. Happy unbirthday President Carter. GeeBee60 (talk) 19:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

During 21 March 2019, Carter became the longest lived US president. That's why we should use that date. GoodDay (talk) 04:25, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not midnight on the west coast yet, meaning it is not yet the 22nd across the country yet. So is it even a solid fact that he is the longest lived president, or is it more of subject to debate? Do we agree that he is, or do we think that there might still be a chance he is not quite yet
 * We don't do during we go by complete days and we go by his local time. SCAH (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
 * If we adopted that approach for 'death dates'? GHW Bush's death date would be December 1, 2018. GoodDay (talk) 16:30, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

When did Carter become the longest lived US president?
This occurred during March 21, 2019. GoodDay (talk) 15:33, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Leap years and leap days
May I remind You, that in many cases - not in here - to take into account the leap year, e.g. somebody lived from March 1, 1919 to March 1, 2014: he lived exactly 95 years, i.e. 34699 days days, but somebody else lived from March 1, 1920 to March 1, 2015: he also lived exactly 95 years, but 34698 days days. The first one had 24 leap days, while the other one had 23 leap days. --85.76.109.104 (talk) 08:37, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Rearrange sentences
In the paragraph about Pres. Carter being longest-lived, etc. two sentences read as thus: "He is currently the oldest and earliest-serving of all living U.S. presidents. In 2019, Carter surpassed George H. W. Bush as the longest-lived American president in U.S. history."

I think the article would flow better if those sentences were switched around, as the previous sentence discusses when he became the longest-retired and first to celebrate the 40th anniversary of his inauguration.

Feel free to discuss or otherwise ignore this.

99.120.112.49 (talk) 09:21, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Alan Garcia
change ((Alan Garcia)) to ((Alan García)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4500:1760:2830:8146:9ebd:15cb (talk • contribs) 22:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Nici<b style="color:purple">Vampire</b><b style="color:black">Heart</b> 22:10, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2019
Add info about Carter's 2019 phone call with Trump. Wguskind (talk) 07:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 13:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Anyone gonna put his fall that broke his hip?
TrueLightningStriker (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2019
Did you mention Carter2020?The group of people who want him to run in the 2020 Democratic primary?He is considering it. 47.16.99.72 (talk) 16:03, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: – Muboshgu (talk) 16:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)