Talk:Jingle Bells/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Unexpectedlydian (talk · contribs) 12:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello! I'll be conducting this review using the table below. I've had a read of the article and looked at some of the sources. Before I dive into a full review, I just want to warn that I think this article still needs a lot of work. There are quite a few uncited claims which I believe fall out of the remit of GA criteria 2b. I also have some queries about the reliability of certain sources, as there appears to be a lot of self-published/blog material (not necessarily bad per se, but given the significance of Jingle Bells I anticipate there will be more reliable and reputable alternatives).

I have a question about the chart section as I'm not very familiar with how they are used for covers for songs: How do you determine which artists are included in the section? Is it every artist which has ever charted with a cover of Jingle Bells? If not, how did you decide who to include in the section? And should "mashups" really also be included (e.g. Jingle Bells/Hokey Cokey and Jingle Bells/U Can't Touch This)? If you have any insight please let me know :)  Unexpected lydian♯4 talk‽  12:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * What I have done currently is scoured the chart databases for "Jingle Bells" and included every entry I could find. Oddly the article had no chart section for most of its history! From what I can tell, at least "Jingle Bells/U Can't Touch This" is not a mashup, but rather two different songs issued as a double single. So that would definitely be fit for inclusion since one of the songs charting is "Jingle Bells". "Circling Stars" seems to be a slightly different song which heavily samples the melody of "Jingle Bells", so I am not sure about that one and would be interested in your opinion!--NØ 12:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Hi @MaranoFan, just pausing the review for now to ping you a message :) I have started to review against criteria 2 and 3, and I think there is a lot which needs to be addressed in order to tidy up the article and get it to GA standard. I just wanted to give you a chance to see my comments so far and assess whether you'd like to address them or whether we should park the review for now. Let me know what you think!  Unexpected lydian♯4 talk‽  16:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello Unexpectedlydian, thanks a lot for taking on the review. Frankly, the article subject is a bit out of my wheelhouse. Due to Meghan Trainor charting her version on the Billboard Hot 100 recently, I need it for this topic. I believe the best case scenario would be me taking a full 7-day period to address everything after you have fully completed the review. However, please do not feel rushed to complete the review quickly or anything. A slow approach probably fits the unique situation better :) NØ 12:59, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hey @MaranoFan, another editor has recently helpfully added some citation needed tags in parts of the article where I identified citations were required. If I were to add in the remaining tags from my review, that would take it up to around 6, which I believe is too many (see WP:GAFAIL). Additionally, as you'll see from the table below, the article is missing some key information, particularly an analysis of the music itself.
 * Just to add to my comments about the "Charts" section: The third paragraph of "Recordings and performances" is largely uncited, but claims that Benny Goodman, Glenn Miller, Les Paul and others had charted hits of Jingle Bells. However, these names do not feature in the "Charts" section. Some digging is required here to find out whether they did indeed chart and if so, that they are added into the "Charts" section.
 * Unfortunately, I think there is just too much research and clean-up required for this article to pass GA in a reasonable amount of time. Apologies for not spotting this sooner. I appreciate you wanting to get this to GA for completion of your topic — I think it is quite a mammoth article to tackle. I hope this isn't too disheartening and that I've provided enough feedback for you or other editors to bring it up to standard. Please do let me know if you have any questions!  Unexpected lydian♯4 talk‽  13:51, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You can fail this.--NØ 15:15, 9 February 2024 (UTC)