Talk:Jivari

Updated
Updated and edited, photos addedMartin spaink (talk) 12:53, 21 June 2013 (UTC)Note that I am aware of various spellings and usage.There is ongoing linguistic debate about whether it should be jivari, jawari, jwari, jovari etc. In parlance among musicians, jivari and jawari are most frequently used.Martin spaink (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please, write how to pronounce this word? --A1 (talk) 18:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

pronuciation: dzjiwàary — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.92.15.156 (talk) 21:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Change the Name of the Article
This article desperately needs its name changed. The variations 'javārī', juvārī', and 'jvārī' (with various transliterations beside) are in currency in Hindi and related languages, but 'jivārī' exists nowhere outside of English writing and based on a spurious etymology deriving the word from 'jīvā' ("life"), an etymology popular in "internet scholarship" but not endorsed by linguists. Please consult a real encyclopedia of music or musical instruments at a library, if there is any doubt, or even just an etymological work on the Indo-Aryan languages.

From page 515 of New Grove Dictionary of Musical Instruments:

"The javārī, which regularly needs renewal, serves three main purposes: it provides a long-lasting tone; it can be adjusted to allow an even timbre along the whole length of the neck (two octaves); and it reduces the tension on the string where it sits in a groove in the back wall of the bridge behind a lateral ‘ditch’ (the string would otherwise break when pulled sideways for portamento, which can be obtained over an interval up to a 5th). The contour is often different under each string (Marcotti; see M. Junius, 1975).  The name javārī, sometimes used incorrectly for the bridge itself, may derive from javār or juvār (‘flood tide’), referring to the full sound it gives: it can also refer to fullness of voice in a singer, or a similar effect from the threads on the tambūrā."

From https://dsalsrv04.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/app/soas_query.py?qs=flood:

"javacāra ʻ flood -- tide ʼ. 2. *javacāla -- . (Cf. jūtí -- f. ʻ flowing without interruption ʼ AV. -- javá --, cāra -- 2 and cāla -- 2) 1. S. juhāro m. ʻ high tide ʼ; N. juwār ʻ flood -- tide in a river ʼ, A. zowār; B. joyār ʻ high tide ʼ, Or. juāra; H. juwār, jawār, jwār m. ʻ flood tide ʼ."

Note that 'Hindi' is abbreviated above as 'H'.

To add to article
Basic information to add to this article: the Hindi spelling. 2605:A000:FFC0:5F:F9BD:9D:B97C:57D4 (talk) 22:51, 15 October 2023 (UTC)