Talk:Jive Label Group

This article should be merged with the RCA/Jive Label Group. There is no need to have two articles when JLG is merely a branch on the bigger tree that is RCAJLG. - The Real One Returns 21:55, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I pretty much agree that the info on the Jive page could easily be represented on the RCA/Jive page as it is. But, I think that where ever the Jive Label Group information ends up, it should cover the period from 2004 when it was known as Zomba Label Group to present as it has been one entity the whole time (which I think it does so far).  So the only thing I wonder is, if the Jive Label Group history (including before RCA/Jive) from 2004 were to be "completed" for that small period and all relevant information added, are we just going to be switching it back to its own article then because it would outgrow the RCA/Jive page?  Ibanez Guy (talk) 04:57, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Strongly opposed - As creator of this page, I realized that Jive Label Group is marketed seperately from RCA Music Group. For instance, websites are still distinct and Grammy nominations were announced for each group, and not the greater organizational umbrella. RCA/Jive Label Group is an organzational structure. It's no different than Interscope Records having a seperate page from Interscope-Geffen-A&M, for example, and there are countless other examples. Also we know Sony Music is in the process of rebranding Zomba to Jive Label Group; once complete, the differentiation of the two groups will be much more distinct. FYI: In a lesser known and slightly more subtle fashion, from an organizational perspective of Sony Music, Columbia and Epic make up the "Columbia/Epic Label Group", although you won't see the argument of merging Columbia and Epic into Columbia/Epic Label Group anytime soon (or, at least until the awareness of this umbrella increases into 2010). Imperatore (talk) 20:04, 27 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree with what you're saying. The example you cited about how there is both an Interscope-Geffen-A&M article and a separate article for Interscope Records do not parallel.  The former is an umbrella, while the latter is an imprint.  No one is saying that the article for Jive Records should be deleted or merged into RCA/Jive Label Group.  Articles about specific imprints (Jive Records, RCA Records) are fine being kept mutually exclusive, but Jive Label Group and RCA Music Group are both umbrella labels that were created to keep a group of various imprints organized.  Since Sony Music has combined these two umbrella labels into one bigger entity, there is no need for both articles to still separately exist.  And as a matter of fact, the article for RCA Music Group has been merged with the RCA/Jive Label Group article, so why is necessary that this one continue to exist separately?  Not only is it extraneous, but it also gives a false impression of an exclusivity that no longer exists.  Keep the articles about Jive Records, RCA Records, LaFace Records, Arista Records, J Records, etc., etc. separate..but, again, I say merge this into the The RCA/Jive Label Group so there can be one comprehensive article for this *one* umbrella label group. - The Real One Returns 05:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)(talk)
 * Merge - I rethought this out after reading your response and I now see where I went wrong in my interpretation. Thanks. Imperatore (talk) 08:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Most of the info was already there, so I drew up a "History" paragraph in the Jive section on the RCA/Jive Label Group and I (hopefully) caught all the info from the main page so as not to create too much duplication. A few things might need to be reorganized though.  Another set of eyes would be good thing :) Ibanez Guy (talk) 19:51, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree. This should be merged. The RCA Music group was headed by Clive Davis since 2002 and the Zomba Label Group (now Jive Label Group) headed by Barry Weiss. Both operated seperately at BMG. Davis did however become head of BMG North America in 2004, but both companies had different leadership. Now Barry Weiss is running both companies. Operations have clearly become more centered. --Alextwa (talk) 16:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)