Talk:João Sousa/GA2

GA Review
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Reviewer: Royroydeb (talk · contribs) 10:28, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Royroydeb for taking the time to evaluate this GA nomination. Even though I am not as active as earlier this year, I look forward to working with you here. SOAD KoRn (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 05:42, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The birth date needs citation
 * He is often nicknamed Conquistador - he is nicknamed/he is often called sounds better
 * with the country's first king - make it "Afonso I, Portugal's first king"
 * at age fifteen - at the age of fifteen
 * to invest in his career - what does "invest" in career mean?
 * See Notes
 * becoming the first player - becoming the first Portuguese player
 * He is also the Portuguese player with the largest - this sentence needs to be reworded.
 * See Notes.
 * Is his father still a judge or a former judge?
 * See Notes.
 * Even though the source says that of he being a judge, you should find out where he is judge. I mean judge at a civil court or what?
 * See Notes.
 * Portugal Under-14, Portugal Under-12 -why does under starts with a capital letter?
 * Sousa also played football at local clubs Vitória de Guimarães - at local clubs such as
 * "goal of studying medicine to pursue a professional tennis career" - one studies medicine to pursue a career in tennis?
 * See Notes.
 * What is the National Training center?
 * See Notes.
 * I still cannot understand why Sousa went to Spain, I mean were training facilities not enough in Portugal?
 * See Notes.
 * one of his biggest mentors - remove biggest
 * "goal of studying medicine to pursue a professional tennis career" - one studies medicine to pursue a career in tennis?
 * See Notes.
 * What is the National Training center?
 * See Notes.
 * I still cannot understand why Sousa went to Spain, I mean were training facilities not enough in Portugal?
 * See Notes.
 * one of his biggest mentors - remove biggest


 * Thank you. I will address these issues later today. SOAD KoRn (talk) 13:51, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I apologize for any inconvenience caused by my delay. Real life matters have caught up with me lately. I intend to address your work this weekend. SOAD KoRn (talk) 15:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
 * In 2008, Sousa began the season - "season, you mean year? Is that how you speak in tennis?
 * Actually yes, it's called season. In fact in the recent past the season began in the last weeks of December. Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The second sentence of the paragraph is unclear, needs to be reworded
 * I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
 * The biggest surprise - "surprise" ?? Rewording is necessary
 * "He reached two more doubles finals that year, winning a second title in August in Bakio." - This sentence needs to be reworded
 * I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
 * Besides winning two more Futures doubles titles in three finals in Irun and Espinho - what does it mean?
 * See notes (part 2)
 * "reached his first four singles finals" - what his four singles? A format of tennis? It needs to be linked then
 * See notes (part 2)
 * "doubles titles in Lanzarote, Córdoba and two in Tenerife" - the partner's name needs to be mentioned
 * See notes (part 2)
 * Sousa reached several milestones in 2011 - This sentence is unecessary
 * See notes (part 2)
 * wildcard at the singles and doubles- make it "wildcard in both the singles and doubles"
 * falling in the qualifying rounds at the Australian Open, Wimbledon and the US Open - it should be "but failed in the qualifying rounds of the Australian, US Open and the Wimbledon.
 * ✅, with minor modification
 * In October, Sousa's participation at the Sabadell....-this sentence is unclear
 * See notes (part 2)
 * losing to Albert Ramos - it should be "but lost to"
 * I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
 * Ref 40 nowhere mentions that Sousa reached the quarter finals of an ATP tournament for the first time.
 * ✅ thank you, I completely missed that one.
 * to 20th seed - 20th seeded if I am not wrong
 * See notes (part 2)
 * dead rubber—his last to date - "last to date" ?
 * See notes (part 2)
 * In this same month, Sousa... - this sentence needs reqording
 * I disagree. See comments on grammar below.
 * His role at the 2012 Davis Cup rose in importance - this is uncited.
 * ✅, see notes (part 2)
 * His role at the 2012 Davis Cup rose in importance - this is uncited.
 * ✅, see notes (part 2)


 * After going through the rest of the article, I am sorry that this article doesnot deserve a full review. I suggest you to do a peer review. RRD13 দেবজ্যোতি (talk) 16:03, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I respect your opinion, but after waiting months for a GA review I would like you to expand on why this article does not deserve a full review. As I said before, I have been busy in my daily life lately and that has kept me from working on the article. I expect to start it today.
 * However, I see that many of your comments are on grammar. As you may see on the talk page, this article has already been copy-edited by the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. If that is the reason why you are saying it does not deserve a full review, I regret to tell that you but I will have to report your decision.
 * I will not put months of work and wait in jeopardy simply because of that. I'm sorry, but I believe you understand. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I have to second SOAD KoRn here that this article shouldn't be quick failed. I have been monitoring the progress for a while and this article failed the first time for grammar issues because SK is not native in English (although very talented nonetheless). After the involvement of the Guild I don't think there are major options left in that regard. I would jump in myself but a) I have made occasional edits so I don't know if I'm allowed and b) I doubt my capacity to stick around on such a long article. &#39;&#39;&#39;tAD&#39;&#39;&#39; (talk) 22:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words, The Almightey Drill. I indeed feel that I am needing feedback on other aspects rather than grammar this time around. I was very pleased with the Guild's work here and I believe that the grammar concerns raised by Royroydeb are not significant enough to quick fail this. I would like to hear from him soon, but I am afraid that his prolonged absence might mean that he has given up reviewing the article? SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Notes
 * "to invest in his career"
 * "to invest" here has the meaning of "to develop, to put an effort in"
 * "He is also the Portuguese player with the largest"
 * I don't see any way of better phrasing here. Could you give me an idea?
 * "goal of studying medicine to pursue a professional tennis career"
 * If you read the entire phrase, what it states is that he forego football activity and the goal of studying medicine to play tennis. Still, I rephrased it so that it is clearer now.
 * "What is the National Training center?"
 * It's the former National Tennis Training center in Portugal. Added Tennis to the name to make it clearer.
 * "I still cannot understand why Sousa went to Spain, I mean were training facilities not enough in Portugal?"
 * The phrase preceding it answers your question. The National Tennis Training Center closed and he was forced to move somewhere else. That's why he decided to go to Spain.
 * "Even though the source says that of he being a judge, you should find out where he is judge. I mean judge at a civil court or what?"
 * I couldn't find any additional source to that. Regardless, I find it meaningless for the purpose of the article. This is about Joao's life, not his father's.

I will attend to the second part of your comments later today. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:31, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Notes (Part 2)
 * "Besides winning two more Futures doubles titles in three finals in Irun and Espinho - what does it mean?"
 * He won two doubles finals out of 3 he participated in Irun and Espinho.
 * ""reached his first four singles finals..."
 * There is not link for singles in tennis here. However, singles/doubles are very common terms in individual sports. I am quite surprised they are not familiar to you. Still, I linked its first mention in the article for the general definition.
 * "the partner's name needs to be mentioned"
 * I disagree. These titles are from minor leagues in tennis, most players are not notable, per WikiProject Tennis criteria.
 * "Sousa reached several milestones in 2011 - This sentence is unecessary"
 * On the contrary, I believe it is useful so that readers know in advance that Sousa's 2011 season was highlighted with important moments in his career.
 * "In October, Sousa's participation at the Sabadell....-this sentence is unclear"
 * Sousa participated in his last Futures tournament to date.
 * "to 20th seed - 20th seeded if I am not wrong"
 * No, 20th seed is the correct term.
 * "dead rubber—his last to date - "last to date" ?"
 * "last to date" --> most recent
 * "His role at the 2012 Davis Cup rose in importance - this is uncited."
 * I added reference to Sousa's Davis Cup participation history. You can see there that his role changed from playing exclusively dead rubbers to taking part in 2 or 3 matches per round.

I addressed all your comments. SOAD KoRn (talk) 17:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)