Talk:JoJo (singer)

JoJo DID NOT win a Grammy.
There have been dozens of additions to the page claiming that the artist won a Grammy. The list of winners on the Grammy's webpage clearly states: "19. Best R&B Song A Songwriter(s) Award. A song is eligible if it was first released or if it first achieved prominence during the Eligibility Year. (Artist names appear in parentheses.) Singles or Tracks only."

SAY SO - WINNER PJ Morton, songwriter (PJ Morton Featuring JoJo)

This is a SONGWRITER'S award... the singular songwriter, Morton, is the only winning artist listed here. As clearly stated in the award description, the names in parentheses are the recording artists/performers ONLY. Compare to the other nominees for context. This article states no where that JoJo was in any way included in this award nomination/win.

Moreso, the nomination card on screen for the presentation of this category listed only Morton as the winner, and Morton was the only artist on stage to accept the award. If JoJo had won, I'm certain she would have accompanied Morton onstage.

Please stop editing this page with false information.Rcul4u998 (talk) 11:16, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Left a hidden note at the beginning of the Awards and nominations section, hoping editors will read it before they add the award. MPFitz1968 (talk) 16:40, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Clover Music
This discussion indicated that Clover Music should be merged into this article. There was little-to-no content in that article that isn't duplicated in this one, thus, nothing to actually merge. I redirected the source article here. Joyous! | Talk 05:43, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

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JoJo's notability as a songwriter (or more specifically, the lack of it)
I'm questioning this being added into the lede, as the article doesn't sufficiently establish her notability as a songwriter. While JoJo has few songwriting credits throughout her first two albums - plus, none of her charted hits from those, at least in the US ("Leave (Get Out)", "Baby It's You" and "Too Little, Too Late"), have any credit of her as a songwriter at all - there's mention in the article about her saying that her third album would have more songs that she wrote, except that album got constantly delayed and it ended up being a mixtape or two, instead of a studio album, several years after the original intended plan of this album's release back in 2008. Aside from that, the article has nothing more about her songwriting, and I don't know how much overall coverage in sources that this aspect of her music has received since that failed album release. Unless/until there is a change in this coverage to add more to the article to establish songwriting as a notable profession for JoJo, and per MOS:ROLEBIO, it shouldn't be mentioned in the lede. Period. MPFitz1968 (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2023 (UTC)


 * No she’s a songwriter. It’s true she didn’t write a most of her early work but she did co-write How to Touch a Girl and has a songwriting credit in most of songs post 2010. So she’s a songwriter 69.249.185.152 (talk) 23:05, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you have reliable sources that provide significant coverage of that aspect of her music? Even if she has written music for dozens of albums, whether hers or not, if multiple reliable sources don't report on that, then we shouldn't report on it either, let alone note it as a notable profession in her bio. MPFitz1968 (talk) 23:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)
 * If she has multiple songwriting credits for several of her songs (as listed on her albums) then it’s pretty safe to say she is a songwriter. Spotify also lists her as a songwriter in her biography. Do you need more evidence? 69.249.185.152 (talk) 03:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I admittedly haven't looked very hard for sources, but this notable review of Mad Love specifically establishes her as a singer-songwriter. Considering all of the songs on her last two albums were co-written by her (and according to her discography page, she has co-written a few songs for other artists as well), I think it's fair to say that it is a notable profession for her. Breaktheicees (talk) 06:07, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding - the Clash and Pitchfork reviews for the same album mention this too. Breaktheicees (talk) 06:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Trying Not to Think About It - EP or album?
While many sources refer to this release (Trying Not to Think About It) as an EP, as does JoJo herself, it doesn't appear to fit the definition of one on the extended play page. Both its length time-wise (33 minutes) and its number of songs (12, or 8 if you discount the intro and interludes) are more befitting of a full-length album. Should we thus leave it labeled as is, per JoJo's categorization, or instead label it as what other projects of this scope and length would typically be labeled as? Breaktheicees (talk) 04:02, 27 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Additionally, there are some sources that describe it as an EP, while others describe it as an album. Breaktheicees (talk) 05:20, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Comment Has there been any prior discussion of this on this talk page, or by asking for input somewhere like at the music WikiProject? I can't find any, and that should generally be attempted before doing a full-on RfC. This seems to be premature. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:52, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * There hasn't been on the former, but I posted this initially two weeks ago and it hasn't seen any movement. I'll look into the latter though, thanks! Breaktheicees (talk) 13:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * That, or there's always the option of just doing it how you think it should be done, and seeing if anyone reverts or objects. If they do, then you've got someone to discuss with; if not, well, it stands until and unless anyone does. But if you're genuinely unsure, and just want some input, a relevant WikiProject is a good way to get some thoughts on it. RfCs are normally for either major matters of policy that will affect many articles, or on a single article, for disputes that have reached an impasse in normal discussion. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:01, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * WT:ALBUMS would be better than WikiProject Music. Anyway, until the mid 1960s, it was normal for an album to clock in at around 33 minutes or less; examples include The "Chirping" Crickets; Elvis Presley; Kinks; Out of Our Heads; Please Please Me; A Quick One; Surfin' Safari; Wednesday Morning, 3 A.M.. EPs typically had four tracks (occasionally three or five, rarely more) and a total playing time of no more than twelve minutes. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 18:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you both for the guidance. I am leaning towards marking it as an album, as per WP:ALBUMDAB:
 * In most circumstances, a recent extended play will not last over 35 minutes and will not have more than 8 songs.
 * It does satisfy the condition of being under 35 minutes. However, two of the interludes are longer than two minutes and have lyrics/a song structure regardless of how they're labeled, so that puts us to ten songs, well into LP territory. I'll mark it as an album for now. Thanks again for the assistance! Breaktheicees (talk) 12:41, 10 July 2023 (UTC)